Modding a Peugeot 408

[marv3]

<div class="bbWrapper">Hello all sifus,<br /> <br /> Im just wondering which is actually better? I mean the pros and cons and cost. My ride is a 408 Turbo.<br /> <br /> And also, usually at which stage to do these? Im asking this is because, lets say, i do it now. Then later i change my downpipe and exhaust, or even change a mushroom or a new turbo kit, will it have a affect the remap or piggyback?<br /> <br /> Thank you guys.</div>

 

[gunnerzz]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064557435" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064557435">marv3 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> Hello all sifus,<br /> <br /> Im just wondering which is actually better? I mean the pros and cons and cost. My ride is a 408 Turbo.<br /> <br /> And also, usually at which stage to do these? Im asking this is because, lets say, i do it now. Then later i change my downpipe and exhaust, or even change a mushroom or a new turbo kit, will it have a affect the remap or piggyback?<br /> <br /> Thank you guys. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>piggy back as the name suggest tap into the existing ecu.<br /> its a simple plug and play mod.it works with stock engine and minor mod like air filter and exhaust change.<br /> if not mistaken,not much can be alter with the piggyback,which is why its the cheapest ecu mod.Race chip is one brand of piggy back.<br /> <br /> remap is basically like deleting everything in yr stock ecu and downloading a new software or parameter for the engine to run on.stock car from showroom have setting which restraint some parameter the engine run on like misture,ignition.it is done by the manufacturer to meet emission regulation and for durability purpose.<br /> remap is abit more pricy compared to piggyback.<br /> <br /> then u have standalone ecu.this is needed if u change to bigger turbo with larger injector and so on.done properly,u can do whatever u want to the engine.low rpm for pickuo or high rpm..bla..bla..bla..<br /> <br /> if yr car is thebone with the prince engine and using the paddle shift.keep in mind the max torque the gb can handle to make sure u dont destroy it by producing too much torque.</div>

 

[marv3]

<div class="bbWrapper">Roger that. Will take note on the gb torque limitation. But....I dont know how much torque my gb can take &quot;-_-<br /> <br /> Also, at which stage should i do a remap? Anytime? Or after all hardware mod is done?<br /> <br /> Thank you.<span style="color: Silver"><br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px">---------- Post added at 02:19 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 02:18 PM ----------</span><br /> <br /> </span>Roger that. Will take note on the gb torque limitation. But....I dont know how much torque my gb can take &quot;-_-<br /> <br /> Also, at which stage should i do a remap? Anytime? Or after all hardware mod is done?<br /> <br /> Thank you.</div>

 

[gunnerzz]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064557727" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064557727">marv3 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> Roger that. Will take note on the gb torque limitation. But....I dont know how much torque my gb can take &quot;-_-<br /> <br /> Also, at which stage should i do a remap? Anytime? Or after all hardware mod is done?<br /> <br /> Thank you.<span style="color: Silver"><br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px">---------- Post added at 02:19 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 02:18 PM ----------</span><br /> <br /> </span>Roger that. Will take note on the gb torque limitation. But....I dont know how much torque my gb can take &quot;-_-<br /> <br /> Also, at which stage should i do a remap? Anytime? Or after all hardware mod is done?<br /> <br /> Thank you. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>u can do it now.<br /> if yr hardware mod is not extreme then u wont need to another remap when its done</div>

 

[marv3]

<div class="bbWrapper">Wouldnt i need to remap or retune the piggyback again after every hardware mod?? Say like now, if i do remap or piggyback, then later i change downpipe and exhaust system. The current mapping or piggyback setting may be different right?<br /> <br /> By the way, which is better? Piggyback or remap??<br /> <br /> Thank you</div>

 

[Waiora_ProTuner]

<div class="bbWrapper">tuner is more important...</div>

 

[marv3]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064557911" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064557911">Waiora_ProTuner said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> tuner is more important... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Mind elaborating abit on this and also recomend some places?<br /> <br /> Thanks....</div>

 

[Izso]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064557727" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064557727">marv3 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> Roger that. Will take note on the gb torque limitation. But....I dont know how much torque my gb can take &quot;-_-<br /> <br /> Also, at which stage should i do a remap? Anytime? Or after all hardware mod is done?<br /> <br /> Thank you. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Piggybacks are reversible. Remaps are permanent. And it's usually done to support the hardware you've installed (if any).<br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064557946" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064557946">marv3 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> Mind elaborating abit on this and also recomend some places?<br /> <br /> Thanks.... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Tuners are more important than the device you choose to go for. I could give you an expensive Haltech Interceptor but since I know nothing about tuning it, it'd be pointless. Find a good tuner you can work with and go with whatever they recommend to you.</div>

 

[vr2turbo]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064558147" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064558147">Izso said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> Piggybacks are reversible. Remaps are permanent. And it's usually done to support the hardware you've installed (if any). </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>But not all ECU can remap, right?<br /> I remember mine they have to re-chip then reprogram, or maybe mine just too old school dy....<img src="https://zerotohundred.com/forums/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smokin.gif" class="smilie" alt=":smokin:" title="Smokin :smokin:" data-shortname=":smokin:" /></div>

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064558154" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064558154">vr2turbo said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> But not all ECU can remap, right?<br /> I remember mine they have to re-chip then reprogram, or maybe mine just too old school dy....<img src="https://zerotohundred.com/forums/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smokin.gif" class="smilie" alt=":smokin:" title="Smokin :smokin:" data-shortname=":smokin:" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Change standalone ECU adi <img src="https://zerotohundred.com/forums/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/love.gif" class="smilie" alt=":love:" title="Love :love:" data-shortname=":love:" /><span style="color: Silver"><br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px">---------- Post added at 09:23 AM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 09:22 AM ----------</span><br /> <br /> </span> <blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064558147" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064558147">Izso said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> Piggybacks are reversible. Remaps are permanent. And it's usually done to support the hardware you've installed (if any). </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>If once remapped and not reversible or adjustable, then what if after Remapping and it isnt what we wanted? Have to get another standalone ECU? <img src="https://zerotohundred.com/forums/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/confused.gif" class="smilie" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-shortname=":confused:" /></div>

 

[ixeo]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064557435" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064557435">marv3 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> Hello all sifus,<br /> <br /> Im just wondering which is actually better? I mean the pros and cons and cost. <b>My ride is a 408 Turbo</b>.<br /> <br /> And also, usually at which stage to do these? Im asking this is because, lets say, i do it now. Then later i change my downpipe and exhaust, or even change a mushroom or a new turbo kit, will it have a affect the remap or piggyback?<br /> <br /> Thank you guys. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Do absolutely NOTHING to your car. The Prince THP engine is notorious of problems. From the carbon buildup due to its less than stellar direct injection, to turbo failures, to depollution error, whatever the f that means.<br /> <br /> Unless you want to pay through your nose. Its best you keep your car stock and warranty intact. The only thing you can do is change the original filter to a drop in variant by the likes of K&amp;N.</div>

 

[marv3]

<div class="bbWrapper">Thank you all for the advise/comments/feedback. <br /> <br /> Can anyone recomend where is a good tunner for both piggyback and remap??<br /> <br /> Thank you</div>

 

[stupidcar]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064558223" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064558223">ixeo said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> Do absolutely NOTHING to your car. The Prince THP engine is notorious of problems. From the carbon buildup due to its less than stellar direct injection, to turbo failures, to depollution error, whatever the f that means.<br /> <br /> Unless you want to pay through your nose. Its best you keep your car stock and warranty intact. The only thing you can do is change the original filter to a drop in variant by the likes of K&amp;N. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Use K&amp;N more carbon buildup dei!</div>

 

[vr2turbo]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064558162" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064558162">Supra_Fanatics said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> Change standalone ECU adi <img src="https://zerotohundred.com/forums/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/love.gif" class="smilie" alt=":love:" title="Love :love:" data-shortname=":love:" /><span style="color: Silver"><br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px">---------- Post added at 09:23 AM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 09:22 AM ----------</span><br /> <br /> </span><br /> <br /> If once remapped and not reversible or adjustable, then what if after Remapping and it isnt what we wanted? Have to get another standalone ECU? <img src="https://zerotohundred.com/forums/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/confused.gif" class="smilie" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-shortname=":confused:" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Stand alone very expensive woh! <br /> <br /> If can remap, probably can re remap? Not sure why non reversible? Non reversible like mine, cannot remap, but can re chip....<img src="https://zerotohundred.com/forums/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/driver.gif" class="smilie" alt=":driver:" title="Driver :driver:" data-shortname=":driver:" /></div>

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

<div class="bbWrapper">i would go for remap if the stock ecu supports remaps.... because can retain all the goodness of stock ecu and original sensor....the best is can switch back to factory map anytime...(normally use as backup)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> for piggyback...u go send to SC already for checking they can detect....</div>

 

[marv3]

<div class="bbWrapper">Any recommended tunner for remap or piggyback??<br /> <br /> Or is there any a recommended mod shop?? Like go there can get all sorts of parts, accessories, lubes. And price is good and service is good also?? LOL</div>

 

[Izso]

<div class="bbWrapper">I don't think I know any reputable Peugeot tuner. I can't suggest.<br /> <br /> Btw, one other thing about piggybacks is some modern ECUs have the ability to adapt. In some case they can even overwrite the piggyback so be wary about this point. Do your own research from forums and stuff first.<br /> <br /> And vr2turbo is right, not all cars can rechip or remap. And I say irreversible because of the fact you'll 99% of the time lose the chip once you replace it la.</div>

 

[vr2turbo]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=1064558915" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1064558915">Izso said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> I don't think I know any reputable Peugeot tuner. I can't suggest.<br /> <br /> Btw, one other thing about piggybacks is some modern ECUs have the ability to adapt. In some case they can even overwrite the piggyback so be wary about this point. Do your own research from forums and stuff first.<br /> <br /> And vr2turbo is right, not all cars can rechip or remap. And I say irreversible because of the fact you'll 99% of the time lose the chip once you replace it la. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>My original ECU for 200bhp model cannot re chip. Anyway it died after about a year use but manage to get an ECU for 220bhp unit that can add chip, but decided against modding it further....<img src="https://zerotohundred.com/forums/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smokin.gif" class="smilie" alt=":smokin:" title="Smokin :smokin:" data-shortname=":smokin:" /></div>

 

[ixeo]

<div class="bbWrapper">GT Auto can remap...as they claim. Since you so gung ho...go do it! But warranty void.</div>

 

[marv3]

<div class="bbWrapper">Thanks for the advise guysss. I think i will remap it at the final stage, after all hardware mod is done. Which is not much anyway. Probably just go for a few more mods such as downpipe, cat-back and intercooler pippings. Then im done with the hardwares.<br /> <br /> Have you guys heard of DKTunning or KTL Tunning?? <br /> <br /> Thankssss</div>