It's time to let it go......

[vr2turbo]

When you have the car for awhile, it's when you say you want more grunt out of it.. trust me. I used to say 240hp is more than enough, that is when you feel it's not enough. Hahaha...

I had that feeling too, but lucky my pocket tell me is enough......lol

 

[stutzedward]

the power is only limited by the depth of the pocket :)

 

[RENESIS VIII]

When you have the car for awhile, it's when you say you want more grunt out of it.. trust me. I used to say 240hp is more than enough, that is when you feel it's not enough. Hahaha...

Since yours is a AT, increasing more power might not be that scary. For a 300hp MT car, I think stock power is probably scary enough especially at first gear. Considering their acceleration time from 0-100 is under 5 seconds which is very fast for my standards. Come to think of it, even the supercar Audi R8 4.2 V8 does 0-100kmh in 4.8 seconds... That is same or just slightly slower than STI and Evo...

 

[vr2turbo]

AT limited by the gearbox......lol

 

[stutzedward]

Since yours is a AT, increasing more power might not be that scary. For a 300hp MT car, I think stock power is probably scary enough especially at first gear. Considering their acceleration time from 0-100 is under 5 seconds which is very fast for my standards. Come to think of it, even the supercar Audi R8 4.2 V8 does 0-100kmh in 4.8 seconds... That is same or just slightly slower than STI and Evo...

Well to me, AT or MT isn't a reason or factor to search for more power. It's about the personal 'greed' to want more. I know under 5 secs is fast, but when you line up with another car that sprints half a bonnet in front of you, you naturally wanted more juice out of it.

If under 5 secs fulfills the need, you won't be seeing so many modded Evos and WRXs. :) Just my personal thoughts but of course, you have your own preference and perspective.

 

[stutzedward]

AT limited by the gearbox......lol

I have raced with a stranger in Subbie version 8 before. From the external look (full bodykit, FMIC, GT Wing) and also exhaust note + wastegate sound, it was modified.

At take off, I have lost to it by 1.5 cars since his is manual and I have turbo lag + autobox. After the distance of 1.5 in front of mine, my Airtrek was literally having the same acceleration with the Subbie when I am on full boost all the way to 150kph when the next traffic light approached.

Yes it's slow taking off in auto (especially without launch control) but the speed increase after that is equivalent to manual car.

Bear in mind, Airtrek has handicap of around 200kgs heavier than Subbie.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Well to me, AT or MT isn't a reason or factor to search for more power. It's about the personal 'greed' to want more. I know under 5 secs is fast, but when you line up with another car that sprints half a bonnet in front of you, you naturally wanted more juice out of it.

If under 5 secs fulfills the need, you won't be seeing so many modded Evos and WRXs. :) Just my personal thoughts but of course, you have your own preference and perspective.

Hahaha, yes you are right about wanting more power after seeing other faster cars. But before that, have to get really very used to the 300hp first. If used to the 300hp already, probably won't feel it to be that fast anymore. I forgot which thread but I think I have read before that someone said many of these Evo or STI owners don't really dare to go full throttle on their cars or just drive at lower rpm before boost kicks in. Apparently at full power they are too scary for some owners.

I have raced with a stranger in Subbie version 8 before. From the external look (full bodykit, FMIC, GT Wing) and also exhaust note + wastegate sound, it was modified.

At take off, I have lost to it by 1.5 cars since his is manual and I have turbo lag + autobox. After the distance of 1.5 in front of mine, my Airtrek was literally having the same acceleration with the Subbie when I am on full boost all the way to 150kph when the next traffic light approached.

Yes it's slow taking off in auto (especially without launch control) but the speed increase after that is equivalent to manual car.

Bear in mind, Airtrek has handicap of around 200kgs heavier than Subbie.

Interesting. Perhaps you are putting out more on wheel hp than the other guy?

 

[stutzedward]

You don't max out your car's power everyday. Only sometimes when you are the first car at traffic light. :)

When I had the Airtrek, I don't race it every single time I drive too. Only once awhile I'll have some fun. And when I do, I grin ear to ear... it's like power on demand. When I want it, I have it. It WAS nice to have...

 

[vr2turbo]

I have raced with a stranger in Subbie version 8 before. From the external look (full bodykit, FMIC, GT Wing) and also exhaust note + wastegate sound, it was modified.

At take off, I have lost to it by 1.5 cars since his is manual and I have turbo lag + autobox. After the distance of 1.5 in front of mine, my Airtrek was literally having the same acceleration with the Subbie when I am on full boost all the way to 150kph when the next traffic light approached.

Yes it's slow taking off in auto (especially without launch control) but the speed increase after that is equivalent to manual car.

Bear in mind, Airtrek has handicap of around 200kgs heavier than Subbie.

I don't mean the pick up speed. Limited by AT gb means if want to increase engine power further must be within gb capable power handling....

 

[RENESIS VIII]

You don't max out your car's power everyday. Only sometimes when you are the first car at traffic light. :)

When I had the Airtrek, I don't race it every single time I drive too. Only once awhile I'll have some fun. And when I do, I grin ear to ear... it's like power on demand. When I want it, I have it. It WAS nice to have...

I don't either unless there is no car in front of me. But I rarely pull the rpm near the redline. Things get slightly scary when it is almost near the redline... The worry of fearing something might just break down.

I don't mean the pick up speed. Limited by AT gb means if want to increase engine power further must be within gb capable power handling....

That is one point. Another is probably the slower response in AT. The linear power delivery through gear changes also makes the car feels less raw than MT. MT need to release throttle and floor it again... Power delivery stops and punches you back again.

 

[stutzedward]

The INVECS II gearbox in Airtrek or Evo GTA, even though it's sluggish and 'lazy', it can handle quite a bit of power. I've seen 300whp in stock gearbox and still running strong without slip.

I broke my Airtrek once when I switch to manual shift and redlined it when coming out from a junction, the timing belt snapped and I swapped my whole block head to Evo 6 + PnP. :D hehehe...

 

[stutzedward]

For RX-8, you need to redline it. They say "A Redline A Day Keeps The Mechanic Away....." and I do it every time I drive it. I slam the pedal until I hear the shift buzzer comes on.

 

[stutzedward]

That is one point. Another is probably the slower response in AT. The linear power delivery through gear changes also makes the car feels less raw than MT. MT need to release throttle and floor it again... Power delivery stops and punches you back again.

I am not trying to brag but my Airtrek used to have a Pivot speed meter with G-force measurement. Highest I reached was 0.78 G during take off on an auto without launch control. That's not bad actually. And the G doesn't come for a short while during take offs, it continues as the speed climbs. I was very happy when my kids complained "daddy, I cannot bend to the front..."

Those were the days... history now.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

The INVECS II gearbox in Airtrek or Evo GTA, even though it's sluggish and 'lazy', it can handle quite a bit of power. I've seen 300whp in stock gearbox and still running strong without slip.

I broke my Airtrek once when I switch to manual shift and redlined it when coming out from a junction, the timing belt snapped and I swapped my whole block head to Evo 6 + PnP. :D hehehe...

Is the timing belt that fragile? Just by going to redline and it snapped? Or you hold it at redline for quite some time?

I am not trying to brag but my Airtrek used to have a Pivot speed meter with G-force measurement. Highest I reached was 0.78 G during take off on an auto without launch control. That's not bad actually. And the G doesn't come for a short while during take offs, it continues as the speed climbs. I was very happy when my kids complained "daddy, I cannot bend to the front..."

Those were the days... history now.

I get your point with the G-force feeling in turbo cars. The two turbo cars that I have ridden before at full throttle would be a C250 CGI and a F30 320i. Both belonged to a same friend of mine. When he accelerates, I can feel that the force is pulling me back even through gear changes. Fun feeling but for me I prefer how manual responds through gear changes.

For manual, I've ridden before in a EG hatchback with B18C. The G-force is not as strong as the two turbo cars mentioned earlier but the feeling during each gear change is quite intense. Every time he releases the clutch and floors the pedal after shifting, the sudden kick in feels powerful. Can't even sit still on the seats even when I tried to.

 

[stutzedward]

Is the timing belt that fragile? Just by going to redline and it snapped? Or you hold it at redline for quite some time?



I get your point with the G-force feeling in turbo cars. The two turbo cars that I have ridden before at full throttle would be a C250 CGI and a F30 320i. Both belonged to a same friend of mine. When he accelerates, I can feel that the force is pulling me back even through gear changes. Fun feeling but for me I prefer how manual responds through gear changes.

For manual, I've ridden before in a EG hatchback with B18C. The G-force is not as strong as the two turbo cars mentioned earlier but the feeling during each gear change is quite intense. Every time he releases the clutch and floors the pedal after shifting, the sudden kick in feels powerful. Can't even sit still on the seats even when I tried to.

Timing belt snapped because it was an imitation one which cracked. I didn't know it was fake and it cracked underneath the timing belt cover which was not visible. Long story short, both me and the mechanic were cheated by the spare parts shop.

The G-force actually comes from torque rather than HP.

B18 felt intense because of the sound of VTEC and yeah, they're pretty darn fast for a NA 1.6 or 1.8 car...

In fact a modified B16A Civic EG was the first 'high performance' car I've driven in 1994. 0-100 was 7 secs and it was staggering fast for me.

 

[vr2turbo]

Timing belt snapped because it was an imitation one which cracked. I didn't know it was fake and it cracked underneath the timing belt cover which was not visible. Long story short, both me and the mechanic were cheated by the spare parts shop.

The G-force actually comes from torque rather than HP.

B18 felt intense because of the sound of VTEC and yeah, they're pretty darn fast for a NA 1.6 or 1.8 car...

In fact a modified B16A Civic EG was the first 'high performance' car I've driven in 1994. 0-100 was 7 secs and it was staggering fast for me.

I snap mine once and was driving at 70kph going to work. Mine Original and still within next mileage change. One colleague of mine say VR4 prone to snap timing belt as he owned them before but he is aggressive driver.....lol

 

[stutzedward]

Too much torque!

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Timing belt snapped because it was an imitation one which cracked. I didn't know it was fake and it cracked underneath the timing belt cover which was not visible. Long story short, both me and the mechanic were cheated by the spare parts shop.

The G-force actually comes from torque rather than HP.

B18 felt intense because of the sound of VTEC and yeah, they're pretty darn fast for a NA 1.6 or 1.8 car...

In fact a modified B16A Civic EG was the first 'high performance' car I've driven in 1994. 0-100 was 7 secs and it was staggering fast for me.

Because of one stupid belt that costs a few hundred RM that caused you to spend a few thousand to get a new head.

Yeah, I know torque actually gives the G-force. Is quite noticeable in turbo cars. Even in Hilux.

The VTEC sounds is one thing. Another point is, the owner is using a racing clutch for his car. So everytime he releases his clutch, can feel the intense rebound feeling when the clutch is attached back to the engine. I din't drive the car but I had a feel of the clutch when it isn't moving. Crazily stiff and needed a lot of effort to fully press it down.

Don't mention 1994, even until today B series engine is really powerful. I doubt even the new Civic turbo can keep up with these B series engine...

I snap mine once and was driving at 70kph going to work. Mine Original and still within next mileage change. One colleague of mine say VR4 prone to snap timing belt as he owned them before but he is aggressive driver.....lol

So your cylinder head gone as a result?

Any preventive measures for timing belt snap?

 

[vr2turbo]

So your cylinder head gone as a result?

Any preventive measures for timing belt snap?

Cylinder head ok, bent a few vavles.

Thereafter change timing belt every 2 to 3 years even though mileage not reached yet.....lol

 

[stutzedward]

The new iVTEC in higher performance Honda has a more linear power delivery compared to the previous SiR engines where it hits you like a turbo kick in. The new Civic Turbo has a lot of potential and it runs a lot more efficient compared to the old one. My personal perspective.