BMW 320i e46 or altezza??
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RX-8 is already discussed many times over here. Rotary engines are thirsty and requires rebuilding after a certain interval of mileage. Around 40k kilometers for RX-8 if I am not mistaken.
No lah... bro.... Most of us now on Altezza Club facebook page which is more active....
https://www.facebook.com/groups/74645600649/
u can get what you need there..... We update events, sell parts and general support...
Anybody can join....you dont need to own Altezza.
I do come here once in a while to update the FAQ....
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Join dy lo bro. I'm the one who posted the various Tezza kits. :D
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Depends how u drive it. Saw some rarely drive, 3 months, kong jor.
Make sure to use the premix and eo for rotary.
I got sell.
I'm shocked! You didn't wet blanket his choice of cars?
Dude, since no one else is going to be upfront, let me be brutally honest with you. Both of these cars are out of your league for now since you'll be working part time only. Let's talk realistically, at best you get RM20 per hour (at best!) and you work 20 hours a week (at best again). That's RM1600 a month at best without any deductions (EPF, Socso, food, etc).
A 40k car (2nd hand) will have about 3.3% interest rates, and assuming it'll be a 5 year loan, with your dad paying 10k downpayment (awesome dad btw), that means your loan will be 30k.
So calculations :
Interest for 5 years = (3.3% * 30,000) x 5 = RM4950
Car loan = RM4950 + RM30,000 = RM34950
Monthly instalment = RM582.50
That leaves you with RM1600 - RM582.50 = RM1017.50
So say your average travel distance per day is 50km, times 5 days is 250km per week. These cars aren't exactly fuel friendly cars but I'll give them benefit of the doubt and give you 10km/L and I'll just estimate they have 40L tanks. That's about RM74 a week (you won't leave it until empty to refill right?) meaning RM290 on average for fuel per week.
Meaning you'll be left with RM1017.50 - RM290 = RM727.50
If you take away food (average RM10 a day for lunch, skip BF) RM200 a week that leaves you with RM500 odd loose change.
That's barely enough to replace the battery for the beemer, much less the parts you'll need to replace with the age of those cars. Of course there's the exception where you buy a car from a brother who completely overhauled the car and fixed all outstanding things before selling to you. If yes - then great... but these are old cars. There'll always bound to be something he forgot to fix.
I'm not familiar with the BMW nor the Tezza, but the S60 Volvo I do know. There's these joints in the front suspension that make a helluva racket after some mileage (about 20k km odd) and need changing. Those joints are RM180 a piece without install. So that's RM360 gone leaving you with barely enough money to buy a girl a meal. I mean come on, you buy a car like this for two reasons :
1. They are awesome cars and you just wanna own a piece of awesomeness
2. You got a hot chick you wanna impress
And with the amount money left behind #2 is kinda hard. And breaking down in an awesome car with a hot chick in it is not awesome.
So if you're insisting on buy either one of these cars, I'm thinking the only solution is to have a higher downpayment or minimally 25k, then find that high paying part time job that I was talking about (RM20 an hour) will be another matter.
Dude, you're better off with a new car la. I personally hate the Myvi even though I own 2 so I would totally discourage you from buying it. If you wanna get a cheap car get the Persona LE, for RM40k+ you can get a new car. Or if you can top up your budget, the Preve LE, that one is turbo goodness with the manual option. Plenty to mod on both these cars but less gaya mutu keunggulan compared to the beemer and tezza. But less headaches since parts cheaper and less parts to fix.
My 2 cents. Don't mean to be a wet blanket.
Eh, studies ended already?Join dy lo bro. I'm the one who posted the various Tezza kits. :D
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Depends how u drive it. Saw some rarely drive, 3 months, kong jor.
Make sure to use the premix and eo for rotary.
I got sell.
You're giving this new guy a cold shoulder... But realistically speaking, you are right about all this. Maintenance of these cars is rather expensive for a 17 year old. Plus, you still haven't ruled out the possibly of money used for entertainment purposes as most teenagers won't just sit quietly at home 24/7 without going for an outing with friends.I'm shocked! You didn't wet blanket his choice of cars?
Dude, since no one else is going to be upfront, let me be brutally honest with you. Both of these cars are out of your league for now since you'll be working part time only. Let's talk realistically, at best you get RM20 per hour (at best!) and you work 20 hours a week (at best again). That's RM1600 a month at best without any deductions (EPF, Socso, food, etc).
A 40k car (2nd hand) will have about 3.3% interest rates, and assuming it'll be a 5 year loan, with your dad paying 10k downpayment (awesome dad btw), that means your loan will be 30k.
So calculations :
Interest for 5 years = (3.3% * 30,000) x 5 = RM4950
Car loan = RM4950 + RM30,000 = RM34950
Monthly instalment = RM582.50
That leaves you with RM1600 - RM582.50 = RM1017.50
So say your average travel distance per day is 50km, times 5 days is 250km per week. These cars aren't exactly fuel friendly cars but I'll give them benefit of the doubt and give you 10km/L and I'll just estimate they have 40L tanks. That's about RM74 a week (you won't leave it until empty to refill right?) meaning RM290 on average for fuel per week.
Meaning you'll be left with RM1017.50 - RM290 = RM727.50
If you take away food (average RM10 a day for lunch, skip BF) RM200 a week that leaves you with RM500 odd loose change.
That's barely enough to replace the battery for the beemer, much less the parts you'll need to replace with the age of those cars. Of course there's the exception where you buy a car from a brother who completely overhauled the car and fixed all outstanding things before selling to you. If yes - then great... but these are old cars. There'll always bound to be something he forgot to fix.
I'm not familiar with the BMW nor the Tezza, but the S60 Volvo I do know. There's these joints in the front suspension that make a helluva racket after some mileage (about 20k km odd) and need changing. Those joints are RM180 a piece without install. So that's RM360 gone leaving you with barely enough money to buy a girl a meal. I mean come on, you buy a car like this for two reasons :
1. They are awesome cars and you just wanna own a piece of awesomeness
2. You got a hot chick you wanna impress
And with the amount money left behind #2 is kinda hard. And breaking down in an awesome car with a hot chick in it is not awesome.
So if you're insisting on buy either one of these cars, I'm thinking the only solution is to have a higher downpayment or minimally 25k, then find that high paying part time job that I was talking about (RM20 an hour) will be another matter.
Dude, you're better off with a new car la. I personally hate the Myvi even though I own 2 so I would totally discourage you from buying it. If you wanna get a cheap car get the Persona LE, for RM40k+ you can get a new car. Or if you can top up your budget, the Preve LE, that one is turbo goodness with the manual option. Plenty to mod on both these cars but less gaya mutu keunggulan compared to the beemer and tezza. But less headaches since parts cheaper and less parts to fix.
My 2 cents. Don't mean to be a wet blanket.
BTW, why din't suggest cars like Wira, Satria or Putra. They can be quite fun to drive too and it's a good car to start with.
Not cold shoulder. Just wet blanket. Big difference! Besides, I'm just being realistic so he doesn't make the same mistakes I did. If I had not messed around with ICE so much last time, I'd be able to afford a lot of nice cars now. Yes... ICE is bloody expensive. Oh but the sound is so bloody awesssssssommmmmmmme
Forget about entertainment. Who buys a BMW or Tezza just to admire at home? Sure will rev the shit outta it sometime. When that happens helloooooooo wear and tear and other scary stuff breaking down.
And good point - Wira and Putra. Fuuuuh.. especially Putra NA, clean and simple. Awesome base for mods
Fark, Im too outdated.I'm shocked! You didn't wet blanket his choice of cars?
Dude, since no one else is going to be upfront, let me be brutally honest with you. Both of these cars are out of your league for now since you'll be working part time only. Let's talk realistically, at best you get RM20 per hour (at best!) and you work 20 hours a week (at best again). That's RM1600 a month at best without any deductions (EPF, Socso, food, etc).
A 40k car (2nd hand) will have about 3.3% interest rates, and assuming it'll be a 5 year loan, with your dad paying 10k downpayment (awesome dad btw), that means your loan will be 30k.
So calculations :
Interest for 5 years = (3.3% * 30,000) x 5 = RM4950
Car loan = RM4950 + RM30,000 = RM34950
Monthly instalment = RM582.50
That leaves you with RM1600 - RM582.50 = RM1017.50
So say your average travel distance per day is 50km, times 5 days is 250km per week. These cars aren't exactly fuel friendly cars but I'll give them benefit of the doubt and give you 10km/L and I'll just estimate they have 40L tanks. That's about RM74 a week (you won't leave it until empty to refill right?) meaning RM290 on average for fuel per week.
Meaning you'll be left with RM1017.50 - RM290 = RM727.50
If you take away food (average RM10 a day for lunch, skip BF) RM200 a week that leaves you with RM500 odd loose change.
That's barely enough to replace the battery for the beemer, much less the parts you'll need to replace with the age of those cars. Of course there's the exception where you buy a car from a brother who completely overhauled the car and fixed all outstanding things before selling to you. If yes - then great... but these are old cars. There'll always bound to be something he forgot to fix.
I'm not familiar with the BMW nor the Tezza, but the S60 Volvo I do know. There's these joints in the front suspension that make a helluva racket after some mileage (about 20k km odd) and need changing. Those joints are RM180 a piece without install. So that's RM360 gone leaving you with barely enough money to buy a girl a meal. I mean come on, you buy a car like this for two reasons :
1. They are awesome cars and you just wanna own a piece of awesomeness
2. You got a hot chick you wanna impress
And with the amount money left behind #2 is kinda hard. And breaking down in an awesome car with a hot chick in it is not awesome.
So if you're insisting on buy either one of these cars, I'm thinking the only solution is to have a higher downpayment or minimally 25k, then find that high paying part time job that I was talking about (RM20 an hour) will be another matter.
Dude, you're better off with a new car la. I personally hate the Myvi even though I own 2 so I would totally discourage you from buying it. If you wanna get a cheap car get the Persona LE, for RM40k+ you can get a new car. Or if you can top up your budget, the Preve LE, that one is turbo goodness with the manual option. Plenty to mod on both these cars but less gaya mutu keunggulan compared to the beemer and tezza. But less headaches since parts cheaper and less parts to fix.
My 2 cents. Don't mean to be a wet blanket.
MANUAL MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stutututu (BOV).
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Yeap. 2 months dy, happily graduated.
Too bad u in Ipoh. Gonna have an opening.
Wira can be quite fun but the looks too outdated dy. Sorry izso.
Your lembu still looks great tho.
im a 320i owner as well but e90 model, anyways its true that beemers require extra attention & $$$.
its true that 320i is under powered compared to 323,325,328i, but for a slow driver like me I can adapt to it.
but if im in your shoes, single & rich parents id go for the altezza 6 speed manual.
its true that 320i is under powered compared to 323,325,328i, but for a slow driver like me I can adapt to it.
but if im in your shoes, single & rich parents id go for the altezza 6 speed manual.
Just my 0.02 on both cars. I am comparing IS300 vs 328i. Very good choices.
Toyota/Lexus IS300. What can I can. Relaible. Not as expensive for parts & maintainence. Exterior design is nice all around. Interior is pleasing. Braking & power is sufficient.
BMW 328i. Reliable if it is maintained properly. As usual for European cars. Electrical gremlins. Vanos seal. Oil seals, etc. Exterior is as usual very well design. Interior is luxury & seats are firm but ergonomic. Braking is better than IS300. Power is great over the rpm, IS300 is lack on the low end.
Since you are working to pay for it and school. I would go for the IS instead. If you are full time working & can do some wrenching, then go for the BMW.
Either one, good luck & have fun.
Toyota/Lexus IS300. What can I can. Relaible. Not as expensive for parts & maintainence. Exterior design is nice all around. Interior is pleasing. Braking & power is sufficient.
BMW 328i. Reliable if it is maintained properly. As usual for European cars. Electrical gremlins. Vanos seal. Oil seals, etc. Exterior is as usual very well design. Interior is luxury & seats are firm but ergonomic. Braking is better than IS300. Power is great over the rpm, IS300 is lack on the low end.
Since you are working to pay for it and school. I would go for the IS instead. If you are full time working & can do some wrenching, then go for the BMW.
Either one, good luck & have fun.
Din't know that you are that into ICE. I thought you are more towards performance.
About entertainment, surely TS will have some friends to hang out with. Like yum cha session, TT or even bringing friends out for a ride in the BMW or Altezza. All that requires $ as well. At the end of the day. TS probably cannot even have any savings at the end of the month.
If Wira, Satria and Putra, better recommend C99 chassis. Besides, I do remember you mention before over here that parts for Wira can be cheaper than parts for Perodua cars. One example you gave is the price of engine mounting if I am not mistaken.
Eh wait, manual Preve is only available in standard IAFM not CFE wor...Fark, Im too outdated.
MANUAL MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stutututu (BOV).
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Yeap. 2 months dy, happily graduated.
Too bad u in Ipoh. Gonna have an opening.
Wira can be quite fun but the looks too outdated dy. Sorry izso.
Your lembu still looks great tho.
Nice, so fast graduate already. I still have years to go. Congrats for having a new job btw.
Wira is that outdated already? If so, then count it as old school car.
Wira is fun, got various different modding pathway to take. Stay original and go for 4G1 series engine mod also can. 4G9 series can go NA in MIVEC or turbocharged in 4G93T or like some did, combine 4G92 MIVEC head with 4G93T. And there is still the 4G63T to play with but that is illegal now (still can do it by combining 4G67 with 4G63T parts). E90 should be okay for you since you used to take care of 6A12TT before.
Altezza, banks don't loan anymore.. unless you're seeking Credit Company
BMW E46, loan still can be applied for 2004 models... if lucky with good papers can go for 2003 models aswell...
In my experience, i was seeking both of these cars one time... comparing quality build and drive feel, take a BMW, you will not turn back.
I think he is comparing to cars that are familiar to him that is similar to TS's suggestions.
I think US doesn't have the IS/RS200. Only AS200(2JZGE).
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Just got news from PaulTan!!!Din't know that you are that into ICE. I thought you are more towards performance.
About entertainment, surely TS will have some friends to hang out with. Like yum cha session, TT or even bringing friends out for a ride in the BMW or Altezza. All that requires $ as well. At the end of the day. TS probably cannot even have any savings at the end of the month.
If Wira, Satria and Putra, better recommend C99 chassis. Besides, I do remember you mention before over here that parts for Wira can be cheaper than parts for Perodua cars. One example you gave is the price of engine mounting if I am not mistaken.
Eh wait, manual Preve is only available in standard IAFM not CFE wor...
Nice, so fast graduate already. I still have years to go. Congrats for having a new job btw.
Wira is that outdated already? If so, then count it as old school car.
E90 should be okay for you since you used to take care of 6A12TT before.
Yippeee.
Proton six-speed manual to be paired with CFE engine - Lukman
2JZ-GE is AS300.
Saw the news too earlier. But they haven't confirm when will the six speed manual cfe engine combination be launched. Pricing also not out yet.
hgbee
Known Member
I'm shocked! You didn't wet blanket his choice of cars?
Dude, since no one else is going to be upfront, let me be brutally honest with you. Both of these cars are out of your league for now since you'll be working part time only. Let's talk realistically, at best you get RM20 per hour (at best!) and you work 20 hours a week (at best again). That's RM1600 a month at best without any deductions (EPF, Socso, food, etc).
A 40k car (2nd hand) will have about 3.3% interest rates, and assuming it'll be a 5 year loan, with your dad paying 10k downpayment (awesome dad btw), that means your loan will be 30k.
So calculations :
Interest for 5 years = (3.3% * 30,000) x 5 = RM4950
Car loan = RM4950 + RM30,000 = RM34950
Monthly instalment = RM582.50
That leaves you with RM1600 - RM582.50 = RM1017.50
So say your average travel distance per day is 50km, times 5 days is 250km per week. These cars aren't exactly fuel friendly cars but I'll give them benefit of the doubt and give you 10km/L and I'll just estimate they have 40L tanks. That's about RM74 a week (you won't leave it until empty to refill right?) meaning RM290 on average for fuel per week.
Meaning you'll be left with RM1017.50 - RM290 = RM727.50
If you take away food (average RM10 a day for lunch, skip BF) RM200 a week that leaves you with RM500 odd loose change.
That's barely enough to replace the battery for the beemer, much less the parts you'll need to replace with the age of those cars. Of course there's the exception where you buy a car from a brother who completely overhauled the car and fixed all outstanding things before selling to you. If yes - then great... but these are old cars. There'll always bound to be something he forgot to fix.
I'm not familiar with the BMW nor the Tezza, but the S60 Volvo I do know. There's these joints in the front suspension that make a helluva racket after some mileage (about 20k km odd) and need changing. Those joints are RM180 a piece without install. So that's RM360 gone leaving you with barely enough money to buy a girl a meal. I mean come on, you buy a car like this for two reasons :
1. They are awesome cars and you just wanna own a piece of awesomeness
2. You got a hot chick you wanna impress
And with the amount money left behind #2 is kinda hard. And breaking down in an awesome car with a hot chick in it is not awesome.
So if you're insisting on buy either one of these cars, I'm thinking the only solution is to have a higher downpayment or minimally 25k, then find that high paying part time job that I was talking about (RM20 an hour) will be another matter.
Dude, you're better off with a new car la. I personally hate the Myvi even though I own 2 so I would totally discourage you from buying it. If you wanna get a cheap car get the Persona LE, for RM40k+ you can get a new car. Or if you can top up your budget, the Preve LE, that one is turbo goodness with the manual option. Plenty to mod on both these cars but less gaya mutu keunggulan compared to the beemer and tezza. But less headaches since parts cheaper and less parts to fix.
My 2 cents. Don't mean to be a wet blanket.
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After reading what you wrote, i realised im really naive haha. I didnt even think about the interest rate nor the road tax. Plus, these are old cars and with my lack of knowledge about engines, id be ALL of my money sending my car to workshops to get it fixed since they're old cars. I think if i get those cars i dont even have to rhink about modding them, cuz ill be constantly replacing broken or worn out parts of the car.
Ive thought about getting the 320i because i thought that it could be one of the only cars that are used, around 40k and wont need much work on it ( wont have lots of problem) .
I didnt choose these cars because i wanted to impress a chick by the way haha. I want a car that would impress me, not someone else :p
I would REALLY wanna get a wira or old civic type r (s), or maybe even a cheap long toyota sedan ( chaser etc )and learn more about mods or engines and maybe bring it to tta but my dad probably wont approve because he thinks it's not reliable and safe.
I still have a lot of time but till then feed me with more knowledge pls! :)
Thanks for using ur time to write such a long reply.
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Thanksfor the info.
Parents are not rich thats why im aiming for a long term car and pay most of it myself :)
Newbie
Sorry. We do not have 320i nor is200 here in US. That why I am comparing the 328i and IS300.
Btw, what is the going price for IS200 or E46 320i over the in MY??
Thanks.
hgbee
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hgbee
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To thread starter,
if i were you, i will buy AE101 with 4age blacktop. you can get it below 20k. spacious, fast, still beautiful (for me), good fuel consumption for normal driving, a lot of spare parts still available....
if i were you, i will buy AE101 with 4age blacktop. you can get it below 20k. spacious, fast, still beautiful (for me), good fuel consumption for normal driving, a lot of spare parts still available....
Actually - I just came across a very very very well built completely built up AE101 Corolla with a fully built Toda engine (Japan) hooked up with a 6-speed manual. The only thing I'd change is the black and red leather interior but otherwise the car is a sure shot. If you like I could hook you up with the owner who's letting it go for 26k negotiable. It's already modded and has a classy black paint job, is quite cheap and will eat a lot of cars for breakfast lunch and dinner. Not too expensive to maintain (non turbocharged) so I personally think it'll be a good buy for you. Let me know.
(Go google-up Toda... you'll like)
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Hehehehe
hgbee
Known Member
Do you have a pic? So tempted la but then my dad wont let me buy such old cars although they're awesome as hell. Fun tooActually - I just came across a very very very well built completely built up AE101 Corolla with a fully built Toda engine (Japan) hooked up with a 6-speed manual. The only thing I'd change is the black and red leather interior but otherwise the car is a sure shot. If you like I could hook you up with the owner who's letting it go for 26k negotiable. It's already modded and has a classy black paint job, is quite cheap and will eat a lot of cars for breakfast lunch and dinner. Not too expensive to maintain (non turbocharged) so I personally think it'll be a good buy for you. Let me know.
(Go google-up Toda... you'll like)
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Nah, just that Danz are starting to see things slower whenever he drives.Now only i know Danz hehehee... slow driver? nope... i dont think so
A good choice and a good car to start with for a starter. Not too costly to maintain too.
Then how old is old only your dad allow? Used Altezza is not that new as well. at least 8 years right? Some should be close to 10 years old. Those also consider old what.
Might as well ask your dad to buy you the SEG with blacktop cash rather than paying downpayment for a car. Pay it cash with the downpayment meant for Altezza or BMW 320i.
For a start, you won't regret it. Enough to smoke a few cars.
Either that, if you don't want headache. Just buy IZSO's Green Lembughini made in Malaysia (proton Wira aeroback) at RM15K.
Confirm good condition and you will like it. Buying from Izso nothing can go wrong.
Just might find some chicks under garments in his wira if you are lucky. Consider it as freebies.
Cabut :vroam:
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Dude, get yourself a brand new persona if your budget is 40k to 50k. Forget about these old car such as civic type R (this old civic i think u cant even get a load for it) and the old toyota chaser. The cars you plan to get are not low maintenance and drink fuel like you drink water. Forget about modding, it might cost more than you pay your car monthly installment. Listen to Iszo master what he has told you in his previous reply.
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I'll get new Myvi if don't plan to mod. Good fuel consumption for normal daily use
If not get a used 2006 Kelisa. Around RM22K. Great car, stable and good handling. Save up the rest of the money for better use.
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Btw, no need to buy BMW or Tezza, trash stupidcar's Persona as training 1st. When you are good enough only get your dad to buy the BMW or the Tezza.
If not get a used 2006 Kelisa. Around RM22K. Great car, stable and good handling. Save up the rest of the money for better use.
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Btw, no need to buy BMW or Tezza, trash stupidcar's Persona as training 1st. When you are good enough only get your dad to buy the BMW or the Tezza.
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