Do Ultra Racing Bars increase Car Safety?

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^pomen_GTR^ said:
the CF strut bar is exclusive for Subaru STI model...it was very light....but regarding the stiffness still more or less similar as the subaru aluminium bar....


if compared to proper tough steel like UR bar...because due to rigid design UR bar should fared better...





what is ATR bar ???
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The one in pic was a Legacy. But I think the mounting are same for both Legacy and Impreza. BTW, are you a owner of a Subaru car? You seemed to be knowledgeable at it.

ATR is Anti-Roll bar?

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He too into the ATR Sports tyres.....:thefinger:

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Full CF parts saw them in F1 cars.....:driver:
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ATR Sports getting too popular lately after SC continuously promoting it.

The sky is the limit when it comes to $ for modding. :biggrin:
 

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Izso said:
No one has had the motivation to do it. Where's the gain? Anyway I remember seeing UR doing a comparison between its original bars vs copies and imitation bars, the quality and finishing was significantly different in terms of the mounting points and welded joints. To me that's plenty enough to believe that UR makes better products in terms of quality.

In terms of usage it's all about using your own judgment and deciding which one will work best for you.

ARB la kns... confusing people. And that ARB you're talking about is the Myvi ARB from 3Max. That one has had issues with the mounting points tearing off. Having said that there has been problems with the UR thicker 19mm (or was it 21?) ARB being too stiff and tearing the mounting points off too.

Some cars just weren't designed to be that stiff la.. Look at the H-beam design for the rear crossmember. It's not designed to be stiff and probably has to twist a bit. Stiffening it with all these bars will not produce any good results la. That's my 2 cents worth of opinions though.

And get into trouble with possibly people suing them? UR has always been very very cautious with their business approach. Which also explains how they can maintain their premium price compared to their competitors.
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That's what made me confused. Some say UR some say 3Max. I totally do not know what or whom to believe. I heard of mounting points tear off by using 3Max.
 

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Izso said:
No one has had the motivation to do it. Where's the gain? Anyway I remember seeing UR doing a comparison between its original bars vs copies and imitation bars, the quality and finishing was significantly different in terms of the mounting points and welded joints. To me that's plenty enough to believe that UR makes better products in terms of quality.

In terms of usage it's all about using your own judgment and deciding which one will work best for you.

Some cars just weren't designed to be that stiff la.. Look at the H-beam design for the rear crossmember. It's not designed to be stiff and probably has to twist a bit. Stiffening it with all these bars will not produce any good results la. That's my 2 cents worth of opinions though.



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Agreed, in term of quality UR do have the upper hand. But that does not mean it function the best.
Its because they have bar for most make and model so people turn to UR.

About installing on the car. The driver must first know what is he looking for and install one at a time.
 

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Izso said:
No one has had the motivation to do it. Where's the gain? Anyway I remember seeing UR doing a comparison between its original bars vs copies and imitation bars, the quality and finishing was significantly different in terms of the mounting points and welded joints. To me that's plenty enough to believe that UR makes better products in terms of quality.

In terms of usage it's all about using your own judgment and deciding which one will work best for you.



ARB la kns... confusing people. And that ARB you're talking about is the Myvi ARB from 3Max. That one has had issues with the mounting points tearing off. Having said that there has been problems with the UR thicker 19mm (or was it 21?) ARB being too stiff and tearing the mounting points off too.

Some cars just weren't designed to be that stiff la.. Look at the H-beam design for the rear crossmember. It's not designed to be stiff and probably has to twist a bit. Stiffening it with all these bars will not produce any good results la. That's my 2 cents worth of opinions though.



And get into trouble with possibly people suing them? UR has always been very very cautious with their business approach. Which also explains how they can maintain their premium price compared to their competitors.
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The one in pic was a Legacy. But I think the mounting are same for both Legacy and Impreza. BTW, are you a owner of a Subaru car? You seemed to be knowledgeable at it.

ATR is Anti-Roll bar?



ATR Sports getting too popular lately after SC continuously promoting it.

The sky is the limit when it comes to $ for modding. :biggrin:
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if ARB...i would say doesnt really matter which factory/brand...but the stiffness/size does matter.....so whichever brand provide the best really a matter of preference...but so far i think UR got the best option and most complete package..... :listen: even mighty car mods (youtube mechanic oversea) use UR products on their car...






RENESIS VIII said:
BTW, UR only produces bars? Anything else for cars?
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the produce bars mainly........but i heard they can cater almost any metal work you requested them to do....but with a price to pay lah :driver::biggrin:
 

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jerrysiow said:
Disagree bro SC. The 3MAX rear ARB design is different compare to UR. And you look at the front lower brace bar, UR (4points) & Dsport (6points). The Dsport having a better design and the performance should be different. Need bro Ixeo to clarify this.


@cvkit, previously saw ppl post at forum saying that the 3Max rear ARB is good but the mounting points broke or cracked due to 3Max design. Too many force to the mounting and causes it breaks.
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Oh, okay. Thats new to me.
 

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stupidcar said:
Oh, okay. Thats new to me.
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If you look at the design of the bars, 3max uses the standard droplink - antiroll bar - connected to lower arm design. It's sort of working in tandem with the torsion beam. So the rear design from "H" pattern is now a "U" design (sort of) with the majority of the body roll being transferred to and from the drop link / ARB. That's a lotta force so if you drive hard enough, the anchor points where it's connected to the chassis will end up absorbing most if not all of the forces, therefore snap or tear.

The thick UR torsion beam strengther same concept, reduce body roll by being stiff and again the anchor points are the ones that take all the force, therefore snap/break with enough force.
 

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Izso said:
If you look at the design of the bars, 3max uses the standard droplink - antiroll bar - connected to lower arm design. It's sort of working in tandem with the torsion beam. So the rear design from "H" pattern is now a "U" design (sort of) with the majority of the body roll being transferred to and from the drop link / ARB. That's a lotta force so if you drive hard enough, the anchor points where it's connected to the chassis will end up absorbing most if not all of the forces, therefore snap or tear.

The thick UR torsion beam strengther same concept, reduce body roll by being stiff and again the anchor points are the ones that take all the force, therefore snap/break with enough force.
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ARB in H design? I check and see got U design only?
 

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I just installed 3 point front strut bar and 2 point rear strut bar and my car's comfort decrease. Stiffer over bumps and it loses independence between left and right strut. Any holes or bumps on one side of the strut will be transmitted to the other side as well. As for handling, it is a gem.
 

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vr2turbo said:
Thanks, but looks more like rectangle......
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That's what I'm talking about la. Haiyo.. nevermind. I show you Sunday.

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got secret gathering bojio
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ALo.. like what stupidcar said - you only want cats, not sausage fest. If you still wanna know about the meet gimme a buzz.
 

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vr2turbo said:
No secret lah! We do meet up every now and then, but not to fight swords......hahahhahahaha:rofl:
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Now that Izso also got a new vibrator then easier to do detailing next Detailing DIT. Extra tools :smile:
 

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gunnerzz said:
I think got lah as pickup can install the so called 'space arm' on their rear axle.
If not mistaken its H shape.
I think its some sort of ARB too.
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Wah that one, damn thick, my friend working in workshop test drove a hilux before. Really can whack corner easily. :rofl:
 

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Supra_Fanatics said:
Wah that one, damn thick, my friend working in workshop test drove a hilux before. Really can whack corner easily. :rofl:
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The construction does not seem to provide much improvement as the mounting point on the chassis can move so not much rigidity there. Then again, its a pick up. Its not meant for taking corner in speed.
 
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