Do Ultra Racing Bars increase Car Safety?

[ace7]

Hi guys,

1. Do Ultra Racing bars increase car safety? Safety of a car like SAGA SV?
   
2. Do they decrease comfort of a car like SAGA SV?

 

[ixeo]

Truth is, any answer you get for question 1 is probably crapshoot, reason being nobody did any controlled environment tests like NCAP to confirm that Ultra Racing bars really do increase car safety or they merely change the deformity of the car during a crash.

As for 2. I don't know about Saga, but similar products did not reduce comfort for other cars.

 

[boyzone]

Hi guys,

1. Do Ultra Racing bars increase car safety? Safety of a car like SAGA SV?
   
2. Do they decrease comfort of a car like SAGA SV?

No idea on the safety but improve on handling on my Satria, Putra & Gen 2.

 

[123]

installed rear arb on my ex-civic ef 2 door before, increased stability a lot, previously very scared going downhill at semantan, after installed improved a lot

 

[TheDuckster]

Hi guys,

1. Do Ultra Racing bars increase car safety? Safety of a car like SAGA SV?
   
2. Do they decrease comfort of a car like SAGA SV?

it will not improve safety. it's meant to modify handling characteristics, not safety. Example: less body roll, "responsive" handling, etc. As for comfort, some like the stock handling, some like the more responsive type.
your call.

or you can trust this shady website
Ultra Racing Strut Bar Safety Aspect, Ultra Racing Home Page, Ultra Racing Strut Bar, Ultra Racing Stabilizer Bars, Ultra Racing Strut Bars, Ultra Racing Front Strut Bars, Ultra Racing Front Lower Arm Bars, Ultra Racing Front Lower Braces, Ultra Raci

 

[ace7]

it will not improve safety. it's meant to modify handling characteristics, not safety. Example: less body roll, "responsive" handling, etc. As for comfort, some like the stock handling, some like the more responsive type.
your call.

or you can trust this shady website
Ultra Racing Strut Bar Safety Aspect, Ultra Racing Home Page, Ultra Racing Strut Bar, Ultra Racing Stabilizer Bars, Ultra Racing Strut Bars, Ultra Racing Front Strut Bars, Ultra Racing Front Lower Arm Bars, Ultra Racing Front Lower Braces, Ultra Raci

The links you provided have the same pictures that Ultra Racing themselves have pasted on their own website.

Chassis Friendly | Ultra Racing


They have a whole page on their website that explains how it makes the car safer.

But I guess without some tests they are just stories or anecdotal evidence.

 

[Izso]

Kenny from UR got into a massive accident in his old Satria GTI that was kitted out with the whole range of UR bars. One of the things that saved him from getting into a lot of trouble was the room bar which transferred the side impact damage from one side of the cabin to the other rather than transferring the impact to the cabin itself. It damn near saved his girlfriends life.

But in the right conditions, the exact opposite is possible too since the bars change the crash characteristics of the car. Like fender bars alter how stiff the front end of the car is so a head on collision may not be so pretty.

And if you think stiffening up a cars chassis is going to make the car more comfortable you're in for a rude surprise.

 

[vr2turbo]

it will not improve safety. it's meant to modify handling characteristics, not safety. Example: less body roll, "responsive" handling, etc. As for comfort, some like the stock handling, some like the more responsive type.
your call.

Car become more stable, driver go faster and in the end becomes less safe.....hahahhaha

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Car become more stable, driver go faster and in the end becomes less safe.....hahahhaha

I think that's the reason why some did mention that Ultra Racing bars are not safe and in fact caused the car to lose control?

So would it be more likely be the bars improve the handling but drivers became too confident with it and went beyond the limit of what the Ultra Racing Bars are capable of doing?

I believe there are limits to most man made things

 

[beatnik]

I think that's the reason why some did mention that Ultra Racing bars are not safe and in fact caused the car to lose control?

make sense, for example, if one install rear roll bar with bigger diameter than the front, there is a chance for oversteer.

most 'bars' on the market are meant for improving the structural rigidity. 'safety' is probably an added benefit (if any).

i don't see big names like cusco, j's racing, do-luck ever advertise their chassis braces as safety equipments, so probably "safety" is used as a marketing ploy
just saying.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

make sense, for example, if one install rear roll bar with bigger diameter than the front, there is a chance for oversteer.

most 'bars' on the market are meant for improving the structural rigidity. 'safety' is probably an added benefit (if any).

i don't see big names like cusco, j's racing, do-luck ever advertise their chassis braces as safety equipments, so probably "safety" is used as a marketing ploy
just saying.

Cusco, not cheap I think. UR some say overated or just sales gimmick saying that their bars saved an EVO from being torn apart from the crash and driver is safe because of the bars. :hmmmm2:

 

[YYC]

Bars for safety is controversial la. Only rollcage gives both safety and handling.

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

mainly increase chassiss rigidness...


it may helps abit on safety factor...but dont expect much....

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Bars for safety is controversial la. Only rollcage gives both safety and handling.

But some said rollcage is illegal because it may end up something that kills the driver instead if it snaps?

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

But some said rollcage is illegal because it may end up something that kills the driver instead if it snaps?

not because of snapped rollcage...

but more towards the rollcage became metal tumbler inside your car....there is reason why race car must use crash helmets and minimum 4point harness with bucket seat....

 

[LiteBulb]

and in the event of an accident, roll cage will make it difficult for fireman to cut?

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

and in the event of an accident, roll cage will make it difficult for fireman to cut?

also true

 

[Izso]

and in the event of an accident, roll cage will make it difficult for fireman to cut?

Better to be stuck in a roll-caged cabin than a mangled cabin with my legs pinned under something

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Want to increase the safety level of a car? Drive slow or at least according to the speed limit and responsibly.

No bars or roll cage can guarantee you to be 100% safe in an event of accident. The word itself says it all, accident. It is unpredictable and it can happen anytime, anywhere. Depending on what you hit or what hit you, the impact and damage to the car may vary in different situations.

 

[vr2turbo]

Want to increase the safety level of a car? Drive slow or at least according to the speed limit and responsibly.

No bars or roll cage can guarantee you to be 100% safe in an event of accident. The word itself says it all, accident. It is unpredictable and it can happen anytime, anywhere. Depending on what you hit or what hit you, the impact and damage to the car may vary in different situations.

But then drive slow does not mean it is safe too. I have read many cases where the other party on the other side of the highway who was speeding, loose control jump over the divider and whack the innocent fellow driving at speed limit.....

 

[RENESIS VIII]

But then drive slow does not mean it is safe too. I have read many cases where the other party on the other side of the highway who was speeding, loose control jump over the divider and whack the innocent fellow driving at speed limit.....

At least the chances of getting into an accident is lower though. If bring up the topic about other irresponsible drivers hitting you, then you really cannot say anything or do any prevention since it is not your fault. Except not sitting inside a car but that was out of the question.

What I can say is, drive slowly and responsibly to prevent yourself from getting into an accident that might involve other innocent road users. But it is easier said than done.

 

[stupidcar]

Better to be stuck in a roll-caged cabin than a mangled cabin with my legs pinned until something

Might be an enclosed BBQ session later.

But then drive slow does not mean it is safe too. I have read many cases where the other party on the other side of the highway who was speeding, loose control jump over the divider and whack the innocent fellow driving at speed limit.....

If you're on third lane or the right most lane and on speed limit. You are right ma.
Renesis ni...

 

[Izso]

Might be an enclosed BBQ session later.



If you're on third lane or the right most lane and on speed limit. You are right ma.
Renesis ni...

The chances of BBQ is slimmer than being crushed to death in a overturned car mah.

And if you're on the most right lane sticking to the speed limit you aren't right, you're hogging the overtaking lane. So technically you're wrong.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

The chances of BBQ is slimmer than being crushed to death in a overturned car mah.

And if you're on the most right lane sticking to the speed limit you aren't right, you're hogging the overtaking lane. So technically you're wrong.

Problem is chances of Myvi getting crushed/overturned or going up in flames is kinda level of risk in getting in any of those 3 situations.

 

[cvkit17]

The chances of BBQ is slimmer than being crushed to death in a overturned car mah.

And if you're on the most right lane sticking to the speed limit you aren't right, you're hogging the overtaking lane. So technically you're wrong.

Gotta disagree. Your statement is like that the middle lane is for the speed limit, and the right lane is for overtaking only where you have to go more than the speed limit to overtake.

Lets say all the cars in left lane doing 100kmh all the time, then you want to overtake. You would change to right lane, and speed up to 110kmh and drive in that lane for long coz you are actually overtaking all the cars doing 100kmh. Then a dude came from afar, doing 200kmh. You have 4 options:

1. Try to squeeze into the left lane full of cars and dont care if the left lane dude brake hard for you to get in.
2. Wait for the perfect opportunity to go into left lane, but causes the 200kmh speeding guy tailgating you and curse you for hogging
3. Continue to drive within speed limit and the speeding guy curses you
4. Speed up beyond 200kmh

You choose 1, means you agree that there is no problem to speeding and going against the law..
You choose 2, means you will piss off the guy behind you, but you not pissing off the driver at the left lane and not endangering yourself and the left lane dude
You choose 3, you will piss off the guy behind you, but you dont break the law and does not endanger any life.
You choose 4, if your car could, you are courting death.

Decisions...decisions....to me, I would choose number 2. Fuck the person behind. You wana speed, go elsewhere safer like a track or controlled road. You wana speed on public road then you gotta tolerate. Im not blindly giving in just to satisfy his stupidity. I have to make sure myself is safe.

I know that some would say that people can do 300kmh at Autobahn so why Malaysia only 110kmh? Because malaysia road got a lot a lot a lot pimples and dimples....whatever ultra hyper racing bars in the car cant save us man

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Gotta disagree. Your statement is like that the middle lane is for the speed limit, and the right lane is for overtaking only where you have to go more than the speed limit to overtake.

Lets say all the cars in left lane doing 100kmh all the time, then you want to overtake. You would change to right lane, and speed up to 110kmh and drive in that lane for long coz you are actually overtaking all the cars doing 100kmh. Then a dude came from afar, doing 200kmh. You have 4 options:

1. Try to squeeze into the left lane full of cars and dont care if the left lane dude brake hard for you to get in.
2. Wait for the perfect opportunity to go into left lane, but causes the 200kmh speeding guy tailgating you and curse you for hogging
3. Continue to drive within speed limit and the speeding guy curses you
4. Speed up beyond 200kmh

You choose 1, means you agree that there is no problem to speeding and going against the law..
You choose 2, means you will piss off the guy behind you, but you not pissing off the driver at the left lane and not endangering yourself and the left lane dude
You choose 3, you will piss off the guy behind you, but you dont break the law and does not endanger any life.
You choose 4, if your car could, you are courting death.

Decisions...decisions....to me, I would choose number 2. Fuck the person behind. You wana speed, go elsewhere safer like a track or controlled road. You wana speed on public road then you gotta tolerate. Im not blindly giving in just to satisfy his stupidity. I have to make sure myself is safe.

I know that some would say that people can do 300kmh at Autobahn so why Malaysia only 110kmh? Because malaysia road got a lot a lot a lot pimples and dimples....whatever ultra hyper racing bars in the car cant save us man

Choice number 2 and 3 is like almost the same. Both also involves blocking the 200kmh guy at behind...

Malaysia also can do 300kmh...
160 to 300km GTR R35 in malaysia - YouTube

 

[stupidcar]

The chances of BBQ is slimmer than being crushed to death in a overturned car mah.

And if you're on the most right lane sticking to the speed limit you aren't right, you're hogging the overtaking lane. So technically you're wrong.

KNN. I wrote wrong.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

KNN. I wrote wrong.

You actually mean they should be on the left most lane is it?

 

[Izso]

I agree and disagree with that cvkit.

If I were looking for an opportunity to move to the middle lane - that doesn't make me a road hog.

Stupidcar was saying going speed limit on the fast lane. That's road hogging if you're going to stay there.

But otherwise I do agree with what you said. Hehe

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Lol, agreeing with what I said earlier?