White bulbs comparison/discussion

[arturo]

Mick...quarantee it wont last as long as an oem halogen. its brighter cos it burns hotter. a lot of lighting forums also mentions this. cant have your cake n still eat it hehehe. i think if compare dollar to dollar investment, any normal HID is a much better investment compared to those xenon class halogens. HIDs also not all perfect since their light output deteriorates after certain amount of time but i remember reading somewhere that even after the cheapest HID has lost 50% of it's brightness, it's still brighter than a standard halogen bulb. n HIDs really last a long time.

Problem with using HIDs in oem reflector headlamps is the glare issue. HID's light come from a very focused area where the current arcs n produces light whereas the halogen(doesnt matter xenon class or oem) comes from the filament which is basically tightly coiled small strands of wire(tungsten? can anybody confirm this?). yr headlamp was designed to reflect light from a certain source of light(halogen) then reflect it onto the road. by changing to HID, yr changing the source of light position...which screws up the reflected light throw which also causes glare(can try pasang diy glare shield la...should reduce glare...projector type headlamps no such prob since they have a glare shield n light output is clearly cut off.

Danz...long time ago woor he bought. was in 2005 i think. if yr headlamp aredy bad light output from oem halogen, putting in the diamond vision wont help much loh...thats y i kasi buang the xtreme power n decided to go for projectors. initial test show an increase of at least 100% light output both spread n lumens(but of cos this is compare to the taiwan depo crystal headlamp la) i think if compare to oem headlamp will be only about 50% increase. u wanna see ar? of cos can la. but i think can settle 1 side only ler. the other side looking for glass cutter. wanna cut an air intake hole kah kah kah kah. any lubangs?

 

[DanzEterna]

arturo : yeap, agree wid u...i think i should invest in a new pair of new headlamps 1st rather than going for the bulbs. bro u do projector lamps for me can ah?

 

[mick87]

Mick...quarantee it wont last as long as an oem halogen. its brighter cos it burns hotter. a lot of lighting forums also mentions this. cant have your cake n still eat it hehehe. i think if compare dollar to dollar investment, any normal HID is a much better investment compared to those xenon class halogens. HIDs also not all perfect since their light output deteriorates after certain amount of time but i remember reading somewhere that even after the cheapest HID has lost 50% of it's brightness, it's still brighter than a standard halogen bulb. n HIDs really last a long time.

Problem with using HIDs in oem reflector headlamps is the glare issue. HID's light come from a very focused area where the current arcs n produces light whereas the halogen(doesnt matter xenon class or oem) comes from the filament which is basically tightly coiled small strands of wire(tungsten? can anybody confirm this?). yr headlamp was designed to reflect light from a certain source of light(halogen) then reflect it onto the road. by changing to HID, yr changing the source of light position...which screws up the reflected light throw which also causes glare(can try pasang diy glare shield la...should reduce glare...projector type headlamps no such prob since they have a glare shield n light output is clearly cut off.

Danz...long time ago woor he bought. was in 2005 i think. if yr headlamp aredy bad light output from oem halogen, putting in the diamond vision wont help much loh...thats y i kasi buang the xtreme power n decided to go for projectors. initial test show an increase of at least 100% light output both spread n lumens(but of cos this is compare to the taiwan depo crystal headlamp la) i think if compare to oem headlamp will be only about 50% increase. u wanna see ar? of cos can la. but i think can settle 1 side only ler. the other side looking for glass cutter. wanna cut an air intake hole kah kah kah kah. any lubangs?

i see...afraid the glare that cause danger only, how to get the glare shield??
Will try and post the picture and see the result if i get it install tonite

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arturo : yeap, agree wid u...i think i should invest in a new pair of new headlamps 1st rather than going for the bulbs. bro u do projector lamps for me can ah?

last time my dads perdana head lamp will turn foggy very fast, and not bright at all, i think is the design itself also one of the factor

 

[DanzEterna]

they should use glass lenses instead of plastic.........

 

[Veloc]

bro, where is ur area?? 1 of my neighbour using the blue-ish HID for more than 1 year d..very bright, but still using it, i guess havent kena caught before..

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i currently using the osram night breaker on my myvi for bout 2 months now, but can see is bout 20%brighter than the original osram, and abit whiter..but dunno will last how long.

Bro... My are is kota kinabalu sabah. Hard la... Those in whites still can nego. The dogs in dark blue really no talk la... No fault also can make you got fault. Number plate crystal lettering also want to kacau. Fk it

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Mick...quarantee it wont last as long as an oem halogen. its brighter cos it burns hotter. a lot of lighting forums also mentions this. cant have your cake n still eat it hehehe. i think if compare dollar to dollar investment, any normal HID is a much better investment compared to those xenon class halogens. HIDs also not all perfect since their light output deteriorates after certain amount of time but i remember reading somewhere that even after the cheapest HID has lost 50% of it's brightness, it's still brighter than a standard halogen bulb. n HIDs really last a long time.

Problem with using HIDs in oem reflector headlamps is the glare issue. HID's light come from a very focused area where the current arcs n produces light whereas the halogen(doesnt matter xenon class or oem) comes from the filament which is basically tightly coiled small strands of wire(tungsten? can anybody confirm this?). yr headlamp was designed to reflect light from a certain source of light(halogen) then reflect it onto the road. by changing to HID, yr changing the source of light position...which screws up the reflected light throw which also causes glare(can try pasang diy glare shield la...should reduce glare...projector type headlamps no such prob since they have a glare shield n light output is clearly cut off.

Danz...long time ago woor he bought. was in 2005 i think. if yr headlamp aredy bad light output from oem halogen, putting in the diamond vision wont help much loh...thats y i kasi buang the xtreme power n decided to go for projectors. initial test show an increase of at least 100% light output both spread n lumens(but of cos this is compare to the taiwan depo crystal headlamp la) i think if compare to oem headlamp will be only about 50% increase. u wanna see ar? of cos can la. but i think can settle 1 side only ler. the other side looking for glass cutter. wanna cut an air intake hole kah kah kah kah. any lubangs?

Arturo, about the glare, i think it can be solved with a glare shield. It won't be as good as reflector designed for HIDs, but I've seen some well done one here by some responsible users. I've made a pair before myself but never used it. I sold the HID even before installing it because of the "dogs" issue.
But I would really love the magnetic H4 ones. It comes ready with all round glare shield ^^.

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TR..5k quite hard to find leh...i oso want but had to settle for 4350k from jojo in the marketplace. i did find a set of phillips HID 4350k bulbs going for RM250. wonder if wanna take or not...but a little worried bout pairing it with a non-oem taiwan brand ballast.

back to topic. i used phillips xtreme power once n the brightness really can notice with the naked eye. can say about 20% increase? but colour is still standard halogen yellow(slightly white. cant take a photo of the light output cos my headlamp is now all hacked up(putting in a set of murano projector in. waiting for the clear lense from china to arrive hehehe)

a colleague had used phillips diamond vision(i think this is the 6000k halogen bulb) on his 2003 city n from the front, it does look like an ori 6000k HID. light output is much better than standard halogen but still loose to china brand RM78 6000k HID. the comes to another issue. glare. the glare is killer.

Arturo, are you the B16 Arturo previously using the Fallout II Avatar o.O? Why is your status here noob? I thought senior membeR?

 

[TitanRev]

Mick, mine so far no problem passing block. I don't know whether car make is one of the factor or not since my HID is fitted on a conti car...

Artu, yup it's tungsten. Actually Halogen is not a gas I think a lot of ppl mistaken it as a sort of inert gas. It's a series of non metal elements like fluorine, chlorine, bromine, iodine and astatine. So in a halogen class bulb the gases that are inside the bulb could be iodine or bromine.

Yeah, 5000K not common. IF I can't find them here I will need to source in Japan or other countries.

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Here's images of different headlights design and how it works like Artu said.

Lens Optics

Reflector Optics

Projector

 

[DanzEterna]

TR : maybe he is, he just coverline only, heard his B18c is otw from SPOON factory haha......

 

[mick87]

just installed it yesterday, the guy came and install at bangsar village parking, i can say he is very honest guy.., taught me how to adjust and everything, but i still find it bit glaring leh when i install it on my myvi, and the low beam is totally useless..worse than the normal oem bulb, my fog lamp is alot brighter, but the HID is superb.., just too glaring, dangerous to oncoming traffic

 

[arturo]

Veloc...hahahha yah its me la. changed avatar to commemorate guy fawkes day n V for Vendetta kekekekke. y noob ar? cos theres still so much i dont know mah

Danz..dun la put me on table like that...wait ppl see me on road keep on tiong. auto D15bZ3 twin carb only ler

mick..try making a glare shield n see how it works out la. u bought wat brand HID? both for fogs n myvi headlamp? myvi fogs quite glaring when hid-ed leh. another thing u can try doing...put spacers between the bulb base n the headlamp mount n try adjust the point of light to improve the light output...some projector modders have done this...even putting spacers at the lens n the shield. the effect in some cases quite a lot.

 

[mick87]

Veloc...hahahha yah its me la. changed avatar to commemorate guy fawkes day n V for Vendetta kekekekke. y noob ar? cos theres still so much i dont know mah

Danz..dun la put me on table like that...wait ppl see me on road keep on tiong. auto D15bZ3 twin carb only ler

mick..try making a glare shield n see how it works out la. u bought wat brand HID? both for fogs n myvi headlamp? myvi fogs quite glaring when hid-ed leh. another thing u can try doing...put spacers between the bulb base n the headlamp mount n try adjust the point of light to improve the light output...some projector modders have done this...even putting spacers at the lens n the shield. the effect in some cases quite a lot.

that guy he did taught me how to modify it by adding DIY shield from can drinks.., ask me to cut into pieces and attached it into the bulb there, the HID itself already have the anti- shield, but its not effective enuf..so i will try ask him re adjust again and see how 1st, i only install it on headlamp..about the spacer im so sure..I forget bout the brand, later go to my car there and check the box.

 

[TitanRev]

Mick, MyVi headlights don't have built in glare shield so it's very glaring at night. The stock glare shield on HID is very small only don't do much good.

 

[yeehau86]

stock myvi headlamp got cap already one

 

[arturo]

guys...Hid Philips 1 year warranty-free delivery - Car Accessories & Parts for sale Johore - Mudah.my

fake or ori? cant find at Philips website but google XLD 288 n all are ads for HID for sale. i believe chiplakers finally decided Bosch not pulling in enuff $$$

 

[TitanRev]

Tq yh....

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guys...Hid Philips 1 year warranty-free delivery - Car Accessories & Parts for sale Johore - Mudah.my

fake or ori? cant find at Philips website but google XLD 288 n all are ads for HID for sale. i believe chiplakers finally decided Bosch not pulling in enuff $$$

This is fake wan...You can tell from the sockets. Made In China

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modif...e-really-any-genuine-hid-conversion-kits.html

For brands like BOSCH, they sell HID but it will be in the higher price range and they don't just sell the conversion kit they sell as a whole complete package with the reflector as well and they are mostly for fog lights or AUX lights.
http://rb-aa.bosch.com/boaa-sg/Product.jsp?prod_id=262&ccat_id=22&language=en-GB&publication=1

 

[mick87]

stock myvi headlamp got cap already one

Is this the SE smoke headlamp or the DIY spray type?

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Mick, MyVi headlights don't have built in glare shield so it's very glaring at night. The stock glare shield on HID is very small only don't do much good.

Finally still have to adjust until very low avoid glaring to oncoming traffic..

 

[Veloc]

Is this the SE smoke headlamp or the DIY spray type?

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Finally still have to adjust until very low avoid glaring to oncoming traffic..

Seriously, I realised myvi and viva's headlamps are not very good in shielding glare. HIDs on these two are extra extra glaring and irritating. Not sure whether is it due to the gradual swooping up design of the headlamp cover. I HIDs on reflector headlamps without glare shield are irritating. But it is especially more on these 2 models... Don't know if others feel the same also???

I think using HIDs on these cars requires self made and tested glare shields. I mad ea pair myself last time. Doesn't take a lot of time but requires 2 to 3 tries. When you got it right, just remember the design and cutting in case you need to make one in the future. I bought a piece of aluminium sheet from the hardware shop and work with it. I made it based on guidelines from <http://khguan.fotopic.net/c1241812.html>. Quite informative... At least it gives a rough idea for first timers.

But you can't follow the design 100% as this design is for wira. That's why need 2 - 3 tries to adjust.

 

[yeehau86]

Is this the SE smoke headlamp or the DIY spray type?

MyVi SE using this type of headlamp

 

[Kent_Goh]

If i not mistaken, those aftermarket HID kits looks glaring because of the bulb position are not accurate and effect the reflect angle. Also, lamp design are very important, fog lamp are design for short distance but wide angle so most myvi fog lamp after HID-ed will looks glaring from oncoming road.

arturo
Some Genuine Philips HID conversion pictures:

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

anyone know how much for a pair of osram nightbreaker H3 bulb???

KL/pj area if possible....

so tempting to try it on my bike....cheapo H3 bulb didnt du any justice in doing their job...

 

[Kent_Goh]

anyone know how much for a pair of osram nightbreaker H3 bulb???

KL/pj area if possible....

so tempting to try it on my bike....cheapo H3 bulb didnt du any justice in doing their job...

Your post doesnt related with topic but Osram night breaker H3 selling in pieces and about Rm45/pcs.