Underpowered Merz

[LesleyAprotto]

Can anyone out there suggest ways to modify an underpowered Merz E-200 model W210 year 1998. Its manual transmission. I can feel its slightly underpowered when at standstill to climb a steep slope especially at traffic lights junction,
All suggestions on modifications, where & cost welcomed!

 

[ixeo]

Before the jokers rush in and tell you to change K&N air filter, put cold air intake, change exhaust system. I'll tell you don't waste your time. Its not going to be worth anything given the weight of the W210. Curb weight 1.7 tonnes. On paper 134 bhp and 190nM (19.35 kg-M) torque, and over the years some horses died.

Toyota Vios Turbo: Killing Boredom
Here's a dyno of a W210 with the 2.4L V6 Engine, 137bhp and 17.89kg-M torque, compared to 168 bhp and 225nM (22.95kg-M) when new. So dead horses and tranny loss is about ~20%

Using ~20% as tranny loss & dead horses correction, your car would make about 107.2bhp & 15.48kg-M on wheels. Keeping in mind the car is 1.7 tonnes, even at 137 bhp, its a waste of time. To tune your car to 137 bhp is an increase of 27.8%. Natural aspiration tuning to gain 27% is very expensive. And even then, its still slow -- remember, the car is heavy!

For comparison sake
Power to weight ratio (higher is better, more hp per lbs)
Your W210: 0.0283528292
2.4L V6 W210 in the dyno: 0.0362344925
Myvi 1.3L: 0.0319632958
Dyno for Myvi: http://www.strombergpowerbooster.com/ifc/images/myvispecvonwheel.jpg
Proton Gen2 CPS: 0.0405282939
Dyno for Gen2 CPS: http://images.paultan.org/images2/Proton_GEN2_Campro_CPS_Dyno_Chart_Large.jpg

Even IF you successfully modify your 2L to the performance levels of the 2.4L V6 engine, it is still pathetic and waste of time, and the makcik in the Gen2 CPS will have more power from standstill climbing the slope and you'll still look like a snail.

If you want it to be significant to make a difference and not "underpowered". Slap a turbo or supercharger on it, or swap in one of the AMG mills. Otherwise, don't waste time, get the new CGI or CDI Mercedes.. it'll change your perception about power.

 

[D7zul]

no matter what u do to d engine.. ur car will still be heavy..

& heavy car need more power to move..

if it's me, i'd change my car..

 

[peeche]

Before the jokers rush in and tell you to change K&N air filter, put cold air intake, change exhaust system. I'll tell you don't waste your time. Its not going to be worth anything given the weight of the W210. Curb weight 1.7 tonnes. On paper 134 bhp and 190nM (19.35 kg-M) torque, and over the years some horses died.

Toyota Vios Turbo: Killing Boredom
Here's a dyno of a W210 with the 2.4L V6 Engine, 137bhp and 17.89kg-M torque, compared to 168 bhp and 225nM (22.95kg-M) when new. So dead horses and tranny loss is about ~20%

Using ~20% as tranny loss & dead horses correction, your car would make about 107.2bhp & 15.48kg-M on wheels. Keeping in mind the car is 1.7 tonnes, even at 137 bhp, its a waste of time. To tune your car to 137 bhp is an increase of 27.8%. Natural aspiration tuning to gain 27% is very expensive. And even then, its still slow -- remember, the car is heavy!

For comparison sake
Power to weight ratio (higher is better, more hp per lbs)
Your W210: 0.0283528292
2.4L V6 W210 in the dyno: 0.0362344925
Myvi 1.3L: 0.0319632958
Dyno for Myvi: http://www.strombergpowerbooster.com/ifc/images/myvispecvonwheel.jpg
Proton Gen2 CPS: 0.0405282939
Dyno for Gen2 CPS: http://images.paultan.org/images2/Proton_GEN2_Campro_CPS_Dyno_Chart_Large.jpg

Even IF you successfully modify your 2L to the performance levels of the 2.4L V6 engine, it is still pathetic and waste of time, and the makcik in the Gen2 CPS will have more power from standstill climbing the slope and you'll still look like a snail.

If you want it to be significant to make a difference and not "underpowered". Slap a turbo or supercharger on it, or swap in one of the AMG mills. Otherwise, don't waste time, get the new CGI or CDI Mercedes.. it'll change your perception about power.

on my perception..

previously my dad own a 230e w124.. perhaps the pick up is quite lousy. but it have the grunt at high speed.

then he upgrade to e280 w210. the pick up is hardly comparable to my perdana v6. maybe weight is the main reason.

if i was you. i'll overhaul the engine to can gain back all the lost power. and enjoy the comfort and built quality of this old tank.!

 

[langsuyrx]

turbocharged the merc... nice...

 

[papagoines]

swap in 2.3 liter kompressor engine perhaps?

 

[Timeattacker]

Before the jokers rush in and tell you to change K&N air filter, put cold air intake, change exhaust system. I'll tell you don't waste your time. Its not going to be worth anything given the weight of the W210. Curb weight 1.7 tonnes. On paper 134 bhp and 190nM (19.35 kg-M) torque, and over the years some horses died.

Toyota Vios Turbo: Killing Boredom
Here's a dyno of a W210 with the 2.4L V6 Engine, 137bhp and 17.89kg-M torque, compared to 168 bhp and 225nM (22.95kg-M) when new. So dead horses and tranny loss is about ~20%

Using ~20% as tranny loss & dead horses correction, your car would make about 107.2bhp & 15.48kg-M on wheels. Keeping in mind the car is 1.7 tonnes, even at 137 bhp, its a waste of time. To tune your car to 137 bhp is an increase of 27.8%. Natural aspiration tuning to gain 27% is very expensive. And even then, its still slow -- remember, the car is heavy!

For comparison sake
Power to weight ratio (higher is better, more hp per lbs)
Your W210: 0.0283528292
2.4L V6 W210 in the dyno: 0.0362344925
Myvi 1.3L: 0.0319632958
Dyno for Myvi: http://www.strombergpowerbooster.com/ifc/images/myvispecvonwheel.jpg
Proton Gen2 CPS: 0.0405282939
Dyno for Gen2 CPS: http://images.paultan.org/images2/Proton_GEN2_Campro_CPS_Dyno_Chart_Large.jpg

Even IF you successfully modify your 2L to the performance levels of the 2.4L V6 engine, it is still pathetic and waste of time, and the makcik in the Gen2 CPS will have more power from standstill climbing the slope and you'll still look like a snail.

If you want it to be significant to make a difference and not "underpowered". Slap a turbo or supercharger on it, or swap in one of the AMG mills. Otherwise, don't waste time, get the new CGI or CDI Mercedes.. it'll change your perception about power.

Indeeds..
before u need to do more further and do sumthing to ur "BABY",spend sometimes digging in and getting more info.before u make ur final decision,as u make wrong move u will b "Re-gret"..

 

[Izso]

Aiya.. it's a Merc from the generation where they made them indestructable. Plonk in a 2jz and spend all the money on modding the 2jz. Hehehehe.. Probably would be cheaper to buy a new car though.

 

[ixeo]

on my perception..

previously my dad own a 230e w124.. perhaps the pick up is quite lousy. but it have the grunt at high speed.

then he upgrade to e280 w210. the pick up is hardly comparable to my perdana v6. maybe weight is the main reason.

if i was you. i'll overhaul the engine to can gain back all the lost power. and enjoy the comfort and built quality of this old tank.!

no need to overhaul if the engine is healthy...why spend money on it? just enjoy the cruise and comfort in it.

Aiya.. it's a Merc from the generation where they made them indestructable. Plonk in a 2jz and spend all the money on modding the 2jz. Hehehehe.. Probably would be cheaper to buy a new car though.

Sounds like abomination.. tasty tasty abomination.

 

[zane_al]

Yep agree with papagiones, swap with a latter kompressor engine...just find a reliable mechanic.

 

[papagoines]

I'm no merc expert but since the 2.3l kompressor came from the same family rite? the "E230 Kompressor" model. from spec it look healthy @ 197 PS (145 kW; 194 hp) and 280 N·m (207 lb·ft ( found here ) and since came within the same family should be PnP... :hmmmm:

Although it's performance is not as high as the venerable 2JZ-GTE (even 1JZ-GTE), but 280 N·m sounds about right... my 2 sen la

Forgive my geekiness

Yep agree with papagiones, swap with a latter kompressor engine...just find a reliable mechanic.

 

[peeche]

Aiya.. it's a Merc from the generation where they made them indestructable.

W124 version is really undestructable. my mom hit the gate.. gate loses.! hahaha.

 

[tyj91]

W124 version is really undestructable. my mom hit the gate.. gate loses.! hahaha.

My dad bang the gate while reverse, bumper sat stil, gate bends!!! muahaha

 

[D7zul]

W124 version is really undestructable. my mom hit the gate.. gate loses.! hahaha.

My dad bang the gate while reverse, bumper sat stil, gate bends!!! muahaha

Merc - 2
Gate - 0

 

[Wilson13B]

Mercedes com motor Toyota 2JZ - YouTube

Are this MerZ underpowered =?

 

[cheeft]

I know not a lot of people accept this... But the easiest way is to change engine... I'm driving a W124 with a Toyota 1JZ engine... My car weight more than 1800kg and I can easily smoke any joker that tries to tailgate me... Not telling you that this is the way to go but for me this is the way... Much more power plus I retain the smoothness of the inline six engine... Win win situation for me but maybe not those who wants pedigree... If you're trying to mod the original engine, my suggestion is to just forget about it...

 

[peeche]

I'm no merc expert but since the 2.3l kompressor came from the same family rite? the "E230 Kompressor" model. from spec it look healthy @ 197 PS (145 kW; 194 hp) and 280 N·m (207 lb·ft ( found here ) and since came within the same family should be PnP... :hmmmm:

Although it's performance is not as high as the venerable 2JZ-GTE (even 1JZ-GTE), but 280 N·m sounds about right... my 2 sen la

Forgive my geekiness

transplant to 230 kompressor is really nice.
as it still retain the originality.
but the halfcut price is the one that never been nice.

 

[papagoines]

As bro cheeft pointed out, if want pedigree la...

or... you can get the 1JZ/2JZ as per bro cheeft oso... stock standard already powerful to match with its weight

transplant to 230 kompressor is really nice.
as it still retain the originality.
but the halfcut price is the one that never been nice.

 

[LesleyAprotto]

Indeeds..
before u need to do more further and do sumthing to ur "BABY",spend sometimes digging in and getting more info.before u make ur final decision,as u make wrong move u will b "Re-gret"..

Thanks very much for all your suggestions & opinions by you guys out there!
Actually im not into the "heavy" stuff of changing engine etc....
What i think i might do is...

1) Modify the exhaust system ie extractor etc

2) Install the CYCLONE TURBINE in the air intake system

3) Also considering installing the SURBO KIT

4) Reduce the width of my current tyres from 225/55/16 to 205/60/16

5) Fix the two headed spark plugs?

6) Fixing the hi performance plug cables

7) Mixture of 30% Ron97 with 70% Ron 95 Fuel (Am now on 100% Ron95)

Hope all you guys out there can guide me on the 7 items i intend to do...or add more such suggestions....

Actually im budget tight.......

Saving to buy the Hybrid Version of the new Camry in a year or two perhaps?

This is poor mans way of calculations pls DONT LAUGH !!!

 

[cheeft]

Thanks very much for all your suggestions & opinions by you guys out there!
Actually im not into the "heavy" stuff of changing engine etc....
What i think i might do is...

1) Modify the exhaust system ie extractor etc

2) Install the CYCLONE TURBINE in the air intake system

3) Also considering installing the SURBO KIT

4) Reduce the width of my current tyres from 225/55/16 to 205/60/16

5) Fix the two headed spark plugs?

6) Fixing the hi performance plug cables

7) Mixture of 30% Ron97 with 70% Ron 95 Fuel (Am now on 100% Ron95)

Hope all you guys out there can guide me on the 7 items i intend to do...or add more such suggestions....

Actually im budget tight.......

Saving to buy the Hybrid Version of the new Camry in a year or two perhaps?

This is poor mans way of calculations pls DONT LAUGH !!!

Do whatever your budget permits but please stay away from wasting your money on gimmick like surbo
or cyclone kit that you mention... Is all bullshit...