How to remove swirl marks?

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I want to find out ways that can remove or reduce the swirl marks on the bonnet of my car, they are like spider webs and can be seen under the lights or under the sun also, if you guys have tried wax or other stuffs that have successfully reduce or at least "cover" the swirl marks to let it become not visible, let me know yea? appreciate it.
 

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If the swirl marks are not so deep, wax can be used to remove them. I've tried with some success.
 

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may I know which brand is the most effecient in removing swirl marks?
 

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may I know which brand is the most effecient in removing swirl marks?
Meguires wax is quite good but expensive. 3M and KIT are also acceptable. Actually normal wax that you buy off the shelf is ok also.
 

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Turtle wax is okay, using it, but you know lar, those kind of wax just gives you a layer that cover up the swirl marks, I tell you, after kena rain the swirl marks will appear again, haihh, now raining season, that's why everytime kena rain after I wax the car, I will see those damned swirl marks again, =_="

Just bought featherlite, haven't try using it yet, it's a little bit too expensive compare to turtle wax, the thread created by focalpoint said it's efficient at removing swirl marks wor, you guys think this brand can be trusted or not?
 

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thanks for telling, Prevacid. Fluffy's signature ar? haha, funny one.

Some information for you guys, I tried Featherlite Auto Polish, the brand that was introduced by FocalPoint in another thread. Luckily, RM53.90 is worth my money spent, I was gambling on it, hoping that it really can "cover up" the swirl marks, if not able remove them, and it is effective at covering up at least 80% of the swirl marks, so im my opinion, it's a more efficient product than KIT and Turtlewax, which I have tried, but its higher price maybe a turn-off....
 
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Great to hear of your major success in overcoming the swirls, munpeng with the FEATHERLITE Auto Polish.The second time you work out with FEATHERLITE, it will be a breeze and the result will certainly be more impressive.

At the price you paid for, it is really a steal. It is really a high priced item in the US. The ingredients must be the best to command such a price. But in Malaysia, we are just talking of an introductory price.So, grab this offer while you still can.
 

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FocalPoint, to be honest, I was hoping it would bring a 100% success in removing swirl marks. Okay, this may not be sweet to you now, this featherlite auto polish is just providing a shield that covers up the swirl marks, making it not visible anymore, and I thought I would say "wah, this time it's gone but not covered up!" but if it rains, it will be visible again. I am not complaining, knowing any other products are all the same, I am just being honest as a consumer.
 

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I'm using meguiar's NXT wax...kinda expensive(RM85) but the result is superb although doesn't cover 100% the swirls marks. After rain sure got again. Especially black color is even easier too see the swirl marks. Don't think there's any other product that can cover swirl marks 100%.
 

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Meguiar is really expensie wor, don't think I will try it anytime soon.

Take note of this my friends, I went to Carefour MidValley last saturday and saw a product of Turtlewax, I can't really remember the name, but it is a paste compound. It made me recall that paste compound is used by my car painter to remove swirl marks, these are the following steps:

1) he used a 'smooth' sand paper to rub off a thin layer of the paint area that has swirl marks.

2) then he used his own brand of paste compound to apply on the rubbed area, and then used the rotator to polish it, the area shined up again incredibly.

3) after that, he used a bottle of 3M wax to polish again. It shined like diamond.

That was the correct steps of him to remove swirl marks in a professional method. But he said, if there's still swirl marks, he can't help anymore because using rotator will cause swirl marks. Indeed, there's still some on my bonnet, but much lesser.

Now, seeing this paste that Turtlewax is producing, I am thinking of trying it, because paste can really "fill-up" those scratches and little holes on your paintwork, but of coz without using the sand paper and rotator. It costs RM19.90 in Carefour, Midvalley. If it's successful, I'll let you guys know.
 

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Swirl marks are very common on brand new cars also leh, I have seen a brand new Civic having big, big, big swirls on it, so sayang. I was having dinner and saw a new Satria R3, black colour, it was very chun but swirl marks were so obvious under the lights, I was thinking maybe most of the people don't really care about the swirl marks you know, is it true? if it's true then sayang lor, car's design so nice but has some flaws on it....
 

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if wanna remove swirl marks fully, then u need a machine to do it. meguiar's & 3M produces good polish & swirl mark removers which removes swirl marks very effectively. if ur swirl mark is not tat deep, maybe u can try using hand applied glaze's or machine applied glazes. glazes are oil based and they usually fill up the gap to reduce swirl marks.

some waxes can remove also, bcoz they contain detergents and some abrasive materials inside. by right, wax are not suppose to contain any abrasive material inside. they're just for protecting only, like Meguiar's NXT wax and 3M paste wax is 100% wax only, no abrasive materials.

munpeng, wat ur car painter say is true, using rotator will produce swirl marks, thats why a really professional detailer 1st uses rubbing compound, then from an aggresive polish to a less aggresive polish, then glaze, then wax. the key is to go from the most aggresive cut to the least. but depending on ur paint condition also. lets say if ur paint condition is not that bad, mayb can skip the rubbing compound, just start from polish.

Some info i got from the internet:

COMPOUNDS, POLISHES AND GLAZES SORTED BY CUTTING ABILITY

10 – MOST AGGRESSIVE - COMPOUNDS
3M SUPER DUTY RUBBING COMPOND HEAVY CUT 39004
MEGUIAR’S BODY SHOP PROFESSIONAL DIAMOND CUT COMPOUND 2.0 VERY HEAVY CUT #85

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MEGUIAR’S BODY SHOP PROFESSIONAL COMPUND POWER CLEANER HEAVY CUT #84
3M PERFECT-IT III EXTRA CUT RUBBING COMPOUND 05936
MEGUAIR’S MIRROR GLAZE HEAVY CUT CLEANER #4

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3M IMPERIAL MICRO FINISHING COMPOUND MEDIUM CUT 39001
MEGUIAR’S MIRROR GLAZE MEDIUM-CUT CLEANER #1
3M PERFECT-IT III RUBBING COMPOUND 05933

6
MEGUIAR’S BODY SHOP PROFESSIONAL DUAL ACTION CLEANER POLISH MEDIUM CUT #83

5
3M PERFECT-IT II RUBBING COMPOUND FINE CUT 39002
MEGUIAR’S MIRROR GLAZE FINE-CUT CLEANER #2
3M ONE STEP CLEANER WAX, MEDIUM OXIDATION REMOVER 39066
MENZERNA INTENSIVE POLISH
3M PERFECT-IT SWIRL MARK REMOVER DARK CARS 39009
3M PERFECT-IT SWIRL MARK REMOVER LIGHT CARS 39109
MEGUIAR’S MEDALLION PAINT CLEANER #97
MEGUIAR’S SCRATCH-X #108

4 - POLISHES
MEGUIAR’S BODY SCRUB A10
MEGUIAR’S DEEP CRYSTAL PAINT CLEANER #30
MEGUIER’S QUICK DETAILER #66
MEGUIER’S SPEED GLAZE #80
BLACK FIRE DEEP GLOSS POLISH

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MEGUIAR’S BODY SHOP PROFESSIONAL SWIRL FREE POLISH LIGHT CUT #82
MEGUIAR’S MIRROR GLAZE SWIRL REMOVER #9
3M FINESSE-IT II MACHINE POLISH 39003
3M FINESSE-IT II FINISHING MATERIAL 05928
MENZERNA FINAL POLISH

2 - GLAZES
MEGUIAR’S BODY SHOP PROFESSIONAL HAND POLISH VERY LIGHT CUT #81
MEGUIAR’S MIRROR GLAZE MACHINE GLAZE #3
3M PERFECT-IT III TRIZACT MACHINE GLAZE 05930
3M PERFECT-IT III MACHINE GLAZE 05937
3M IMPERIAL MACHINE GLAZE 05991
3M ONE STEP CLEANER WAX, LIGHT OXIDATION REMOVER 39006

1
MEGUIAR’S MIRROR GLAZE SHOW CAR GLAZE #7
3M PERFECT-IT III FINISHING GLAZE 05941
3M IMPERIAL HAND GLAZE 39007
BLACKFIRE ALL FINISH PAINT PROTECTION

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MEGUIAR'S NXT TECH WAX
3M PERFECT-IT SHOW CAR FINISH PASTE WAX 39526


Maybe some simple definitions:
Compound - a heavy abrasive used to remove surface imperfections

Polish - a light abrasive used to remove surface imperfections

Glaze - an oil based product used to fill surface imperfections and create gloss

Wax - a product to protect the paint surface
 
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Mengz, thanks for the information.

I wonder where can I get 3M products, didn't see any available at ACE Hardware. mengz, you would suggest me to get paste compound? or any compound that has abrasive to reduce swirl marks? have you tried any brands that have brought you success?

By the way, where can I get glaze products? have you heard of the Turtlewax's paste compound?
 

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munpeng, erm actually 3M car care products is like damn hard to get in malaysia, i dunno y they nvr market their product properly. i have a bottle of 3M IMPERIAL HAND GLAZE 39007 that my dad brought back from office. after this one finish i also dunno where to get again. according to my dad, 3M malaysia doesnt bring in this product.

anyways, i wouldnt suggest that u get a rubbing compound and do it urself, coz if u dunno wat u are doing, u might dmg ur clearcoat, maybe ur paint even. for me, i leave the rubbing compound and polish to my detailer, he does a fantastic job. i only use the hand applied glazes and wax on my own. i send my car for polishing like every 6 months to remove the heavy swirl marks. then in between i use the hand applied glaze on my own to eliminate the light swirl marks, then 6 months down the road, i send it for polishing again. so far, my car has nvr been required to use rubbing compound. i believe if u maintain ur cars paintjob properly, u wun need rubbing compound ler. by the way, that paste compound u mentioned, i really have no idea wat is that. its some product by turtle wax? how aggresive issit? if its aggresive then u need a rotator to do a good job and u need sumthing less aggresive to remove the swirl marks done by the compound, usually from rubbing compound then to polish. u'll need a rotator to do a good job. some glazes are applied using a rotator as well. heres a simple example: its basically like when u use a 800grit sandpaper, its very coarse rite? so after using 800grit, then u go to 1000grit, the 1000grit will remove the marks left by the 800grit and give u a smooth surface, then from 1000grit u go to 1200 which gives u an even smoother surface, then to 1500, eventually u go to the highest grit which will still leave abit of mark which is almost unnoticed. but very very very minor ones, tats when glazes come into play to fill them up. so actual detailing has to go through proper steps.

wat i would recommend u is to get ur car detailed by a detailer once to remove swirl marks and any impurities. from then onwards, it'll be easier to maintain. if u want i can intro u my detailer, he does home service, me and my dads car is done by him every 6 months. his job is just 100% fantastic, and the price is very reasonable bcoz he doesnt open a shop. so his costing is much lower. and another thing is he uses meguiar's only :) if u want, just pm me i'll give u his number.
 
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what you mean by 'detailer'? he does car painting? how much he charged you for removing swirl marks?
 

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detailer is ppl who do detailing jobs for ur car, not painting. u know like harry bright etc, those are detailers.
 

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munpeng said:
Mengz, thanks for the information.

I wonder where can I get 3M products, didn't see any available at ACE Hardware. mengz, you would suggest me to get paste compound? or any compound that has abrasive to reduce swirl marks? have you tried any brands that have brought you success?

By the way, where can I get glaze products? have you heard of the Turtlewax's paste compound?
Here is the full address and tel nos ( just came back from KL International Motor Show 2006 ) : 3M Malaysia Sdn Bhd, Bangunan 3M, No. 6 Persiaran Tropicana, 47410 Petaling Jaya, Selangor Tel : 03-78062888
 

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mengz said:
munpeng, erm actually 3M car care products is like damn hard to get in malaysia, i dunno y they nvr market their product properly. i have a bottle of 3M IMPERIAL HAND GLAZE 39007 that my dad brought back from office. after this one finish i also dunno where to get again. according to my dad, 3M malaysia doesnt bring in this product.

anyways, i wouldnt suggest that u get a rubbing compound and do it urself, coz if u dunno wat u are doing, u might dmg ur clearcoat, maybe ur paint even. for me, i leave the rubbing compound and polish to my detailer, he does a fantastic job. i only use the hand applied glazes and wax on my own. i send my car for polishing like every 6 months to remove the heavy swirl marks. then in between i use the hand applied glaze on my own to eliminate the light swirl marks, then 6 months down the road, i send it for polishing again. so far, my car has nvr been required to use rubbing compound. i believe if u maintain ur cars paintjob properly, u wun need rubbing compound ler. by the way, that paste compound u mentioned, i really have no idea wat is that. its some product by turtle wax? how aggresive issit? if its aggresive then u need a rotator to do a good job and u need sumthing less aggresive to remove the swirl marks done by the compound, usually from rubbing compound then to polish. u'll need a rotator to do a good job. some glazes are applied using a rotator as well. heres a simple example: its basically like when u use a 800grit sandpaper, its very coarse rite? so after using 800grit, then u go to 1000grit, the 1000grit will remove the marks left by the 800grit and give u a smooth surface, then from 1000grit u go to 1200 which gives u an even smoother surface, then to 1500, eventually u go to the highest grit which will still leave abit of mark which is almost unnoticed. but very very very minor ones, tats when glazes come into play to fill them up. so actual detailing has to go through proper steps.

wat i would recommend u is to get ur car detailed by a detailer once to remove swirl marks and any impurities. from then onwards, it'll be easier to maintain. if u want i can intro u my detailer, he does home service, me and my dads car is done by him every 6 months. his job is just 100% fantastic, and the price is very reasonable bcoz he doesnt open a shop. so his costing is much lower. and another thing is he uses meguiar's only :) if u want, just pm me i'll give u his number.
hi mengz,
u dont mind PM me yr detailer's no. i would like to try his service. btw any special discounts if mention yr big name?!? hahaha....
 

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Belly70, it's really nice of you to inform me about that, thanks.

cclems, after mengz's detailer polish your car, post again to let me know the result okay? thanks. I want to know whether mengz was being honest or not (just joking, lol).
 

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belly70, tat address u posted is 3M malaysia's address. my dad is working there, he told me 3M malaysia doesnt bring in this product.

cclems, pm-ed u his tel number. price wise tat one u discuss with him ler, i dun earn anything one. i dun wanna be involved either :) i find his service very good and just wanna share with u all. girls cannot share la :P

wah munpeng, i type so much things for u, u wanna question my honesty meh? :P jkjk.
 

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mengz said:
belly70, tat address u posted is 3M malaysia's address. my dad is working there, he told me 3M malaysia doesnt bring in this product.

Are u referring to 3M IMPERIAL HAND GLAZE 39007? That one I'm not sure (maybe you are right bcoz ur dad is working there). I was just trying to help our friend to locate the 3M whereabout bcoz when I visited the 3M booth during KLIMS yesterday, they asked me to go there if I'm interested in buying 3M products.
 

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mengz said:
belly70, tat address u posted is 3M malaysia's address. my dad is working there, he told me 3M malaysia doesnt bring in this product.

cclems, pm-ed u his tel number. price wise tat one u discuss with him ler, i dun earn anything one. i dun wanna be involved either :) i find his service very good and just wanna share with u all. girls cannot share la :P

wah munpeng, i type so much things for u, u wanna question my honesty meh? :P jkjk.
tks mengz... i will make sure i get good good discount. we shall the result later. my regular detailers does a good job though(also using meguiars upon request). charged rm300 for my kelisa, only lazy to send there and wait ½day like dungu.
 

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wah, RM 300 is quite expensive, with that you can buy 5 bottles of Featherlite and DIY, coz Featherlite is a quality product too, just that it doesn't remove swirl marks permanently, and after kena rain have to DIY again. That's why I am still 'listening' to other available alternatives, hehe.
 

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belly70, i doubt u can purchase anything at 3M's building. coz they deal with their distributors, if u wanna buy then u need to deal with their distributors. ang moh company is like tat one ler.

munpeng, u cannot compare featherlite and a professional detailer ler. featherlite is a product....ok put it this way(no offense to focapoint). featherlite is pretty much like an all in one for normal usage. u can use it to maintain and to prevent, and slightly remove stains/oxidation. but u cannot use it to remove heavy swirl marks.

if u want to remove swirl marks then u definitely need those aggresive polishes and a rotator to remove, also not just equipment. the skill of doing it, when and where to apply pressure, speed of the rotator etc. sure u can buy ur own meguiar or 3M swirl mark removers or heavy cut polishes, but do u know how to apply them? if u dunno wat u are doing, most slightly u'll scrape ur clearcoat out :P

basically when u pay a detailer ur paying for his labour/skills. anyways not like ur gonna spend rm300 every month. its just like once annualy or maybe once every 6 months.
 

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agreed with what mengz said.

i basically send to ppl 4-6months once to remove squirl marks depending on condition, other than that i use meguiar quik wax at home once a month and use detailing clay when washing car. i think its good enough for me. i believe what we pay is what we get, i havent try featherlite before(so no comments), but until now of all product used, i think nothing still comes close to meguiars not even auto-glm.
 

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hehe cclems, im using meguiars NXT tech wax & 3M's paste wax, this 2 are my favourite waxes, and i wax my car twice a month at least. if i feel lazy, then i will use meguiars NXT tech wax, if im hard working and wanna burn more calories, i'll use the 3M's paste wax. both have one thing in common, no abrassive materials, just wax only. my dad was using auto-glym all the while, until i intro-ed him meguiars nxt tech wax for his car, coz its black in colour. until today he is still amazed at the results and keep asking me y nvr intro to him earlier :P

difference:
meguiars NXT tech wax - easier to apply and buff; gives a darker & more wet look shine; smoother surface.
3M's paste wax - harder to apply and buff; gives a more natural gloss; last longer; dissapates water better(water beads up more efficiently).
 
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hehe cclems, im using meguiars NXT tech wax & 3M's paste wax, this 2 are my favourite waxes, and i wax my car twice a month at least. if i feel lazy, then i will use meguiars NXT tech wax, if im hard working and wanna burn more calories, i'll use the 3M's paste wax. both have one thing in common, no abrassive materials, just wax only. my dad was using auto-glym all the while, until i intro-ed him meguiars nxt tech wax for his car, coz its black in colour. until today he is still amazed at the results and keep asking me y nvr intro to him earlier :P

difference:
meguiars NXT tech wax - easier to apply and buff; gives a darker & more wet look shine; smoother surface.
3M's paste wax - harder to apply and buff; gives a more natural gloss; last longer; dissapates water better(water beads up more efficiently).
the NXT generation products are miracle i can say. but if u check the meguiars website, it is recommended not mix meguiars layers with other brands. the NXT tech is actually syntethic based polymer not wax(thats why water beads are different). for my experience apply day time when hot (but not directly under sun), then u to wait at least ½hour wiping the buff. u can it actually dries up and bond into yr paint.(thats why it gives a glossier look). and mengz u should buy the meguiars detailing clay, it a wonder man. use it when u wash yr car or before waxing. its totally different feel. its quite costly (about rm105 at ace hardware) but its worth it.
 

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yeah...my detailer got show me the clay b4. how to use it? anyways i'm already spending so much time waxing my car, dun think i wanna do the detailing clay ler. im happy with the results now edi :P hehehe
 

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Hmmm...

mengz, you took my words a little bit seriously. I understand what you said, but rm300 is abit expensive for me, therefore I said buying 5 bottles of polish is a better solution, that's my opinion. I wasn't trying to say Featherlite is bla bla bla, but I meant you can try using rm300 for an alternative use (like buying 5 bottles of wax/polish), for a different "feel", that's what I meant. Detailer is your choice then good lar, I am not against that service, they are professionals but I ain't, it's just that I choose to but 5 bottles and polish on my own, hahaha.

Instead of detailer, I sent to my car painter to remove the swirl marks for me. Since they were the ones who painted the bonnet for me, they were willing to give free services. However, everytime they did the polishing for me, the result is temporary only. After polish for 4 times, they finally gave up and advice in not taking risks to polish again, coz it's 2K and the gloss layer would disappear if they continue doing it. Therefore, since then I prefer buying my own polish and DIY, hehe.

If your detailer can remove the swirl marks for me, then I'll try and talk to him lar, I just want the best for my paintwork :)
 

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cclems, the meguiar product that you are using now is efficient at removing swirl marks? or is it just for a glossier look only? if it's efficient at removing swirl marks, then I may try using it in future. You come from Puchong too? where is your detailer located?
 

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you can try to use the "Turtle" brand... specifically for swirl remover type. i have used it for my old car and it work fine for me... at least it remove the swirl mark...

but caution, dont rub the same spot for too long... it will "eat" your car paint...
 

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The best way to remove swirls is, teach OURSELVES ( yes, ourselves, u and me ) on how to wash and detail the car properly. Swirls actually comes from the way and the items that u use to wash your car. If you wash your car properly, and with the correct items, there shall be less or no swirls added ( other than the ones already on the car's panels )!

Use quality car wash solution ( with the correct soap to water ratio ), clean wash mitts or wash foams, the 2 bucket method, and rinsing each panel immediately after washing.

I think you guys will ask : what's the two bucket method? One bucket is with soap solution + water, the other with plain water only. After finished washing each panel, rinse the soap off. Dip the wash mitt ( or foam ) immediately into the bucket no.2 ( the one with plain clear water only ) a few times to help dislodge the dirt embedded in the wash mitt / foam. The take out the wash mitt / foam and wring the water out OUTSIDE either buckets. Then dip the wash mitt / foam back into bucket no.1 and wash another panel. Do it again and again.

Remember : the dirt embedded in the wash mitt / foam is the ones that's 'drawing' the swirls onto the body. That's why you should do the 2 bucket method, to reduce swirls.

Do not send your car over to paintshops for polishing work too often! The best way is always to do the steps above, and ALWAYS put a layer of protection ( wax, synthetic sealant, carnauba wax etc ) to protect the car's paintwork. You can never have the car 100% free of swirls, but you can always redue 'em to an acceptable level ( how far, that's up to you ).
 

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And NO, no wax in the world can remove swirls, they only fill in the gaps! Only by doing proper work ( with Scratch X ), protecting them ( with a good wax of your choice! Remember, our country is very hot and humid, most waxes only last up to a month or so, and then you have to re-wax the car again ), and always wash and detail your car properly and OFTEN!
 

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cclems, the meguiar product that you are using now is efficient at removing swirl marks? or is it just for a glossier look only? if it's efficient at removing swirl marks, then I may try using it in future. You come from Puchong too? where is your detailer located?
mupeng,
that guy uses meguiars diamond cut, yes and it removes swirl marks effectively. he actually proved to me that no swirl marks before applying any further wax coat. yes im from puchong, detailers is located in puchong utama.
 

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Ok, I got it cclems. Diamond cut... hmm, didn't notice it when I last visited ACE hardware.

ace79, thanks for telling. But I already know what caused the swirl marks, that's why I have always taken care of my paintwork cautiously, like you do. However, the thing is, a brand new car already has the swirls on it, that's true. Even my mother's brand new mini cooper also has swirls all over it, when she just got the car on the very 1st day. Therefore, it's either the manufacturer didn't polish in a correct way, or some guys from Auto Bavaria keep wiping it to "maintain" the car's look. Maybe the workers from Auto Bavaria, their services are top class, the sales girl said the workers wipe the cars once in a while after rain, so in my opinion, it's the workers who might be careless in causing majority of the swirl marks on the brand new cars, even the brand new Civic also got, sayang sekali.....

well said ace79, people who visit this thread will thank you for informing, hehe :)
 

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munpeng, i think u misinterpreted wat im trying to say. yes, u can have ur choice of buying 5 bottles of polish and diy urself, its ur choice, ur call. im just giving u suggestions thats all. and do u know why ur painter cant get the job done? bcoz car painters are painters, not detaliers. even my car painter admits he cannot do a betterjob than a detailer. u wanna know the reason y? bcoz they only use rubbing compound after applying paint and clearcoat. u'll see its all shinny and smooth etc. but after u wash ur car, u'll see the swirl marks again, bcoz they didnt use a less aggressive polish after tat to remove the swirls marks that the rubbing compound produced. did ur painter polish ur car for 4 times in a row, each time from an aggressive polish to a less aggressive polish? i bet he didnt, heck my painter didnt either. but my detailer did, he went from polish, to a less aggressive polish, then to glaze, then wax. im pretty sure cclems's detailer did the same thing too. infact, all professional detailers out there do the same thing too.

i think u really need to understand the concept. i already posted on my previous post on how the proper steps shud be. i know all of us here wants the very best for our car, so im here to share what i know and wat i've read and analyse from other forums where experience ppl share their info's.

p/s: what ace79 say is true, do not send ur car to painters for polishing. u know y painters always tell u cannot polish ur car too much? bcoz their using the wrong product. car painters uses very aggressive compound to remove impurities on ur paint bcoz its fast and easy, but it scrapes alot of ur clearcoat out. anyways, i think i've shared whatever i know abt swirl marks and protecting paintworks already. hope it helped u munpeng. cheers
 

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Dude, your language is a bit heavy. I already said I was not saying detailer's service is not worth it, but choose to buy polish is an alternative, it's an alternative, and I never mention it's better than detailer. Your language brings a suggestion that I am a little bit against the expensive service of detailer, well, I'm not.

You already posted the correct methods, no need to remind me again. I understand the correct concept, but don't question my car painter's service, for you don't know what he was doing. Your car painter isn't the same person as mine. So when you bet my car painter does not know the correct way, that is quite harsh, you maybe correct but you might have been wrong also. I am not judging you, but you can choose not to describe my car painter in that way also. From what I witness, they follow the correct method from aggresive to less one, don't say this and that for there's no 100% similarity.

I agree detailer is a very very good option when you face problems of swirl marks, it would be the best option too. I hope nobody has the impression of car painter doesn't know as much as detailer, we don't know whether he has other experience in other areas, maybe he does leh? Maybe I am a little too defensive of my car painter, coz he's a good one. I respect detailers also, not ruling out getting their service of coz.

Don't have the impression that I disagree with you, mengz. I agree with what you have said, and I thank you for your valuable information. I know nothing about detailers, so I can't say much anymore. Cheers to you too :)

cclems, cannot find diamond cut at ACE Hardware wor, how ar? only detailer can get stocks? The NXT you all using is the spray one or wax one? Meguairs have huge variety leh. Puchong utama? can you tell me the name of that detailing shop?
 
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speaking abt heavy language, its ironic that i feel the same abt urs too :) anyways, goodluck in finding a solution to solve ur swirl marks. if theres a will, theres a way, im pretty sure u'll be able to get it done.

later.
 

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Munpeng, Diamond Cut is not a Meguiar's consumer item. Thta's why you can't find it at any shops, you have to go to Hypercoat ( nearby Regalia Busniess Centre, Subang ) for 'em. U can try Scratch X instead ( btw, u have to use a dual orbiter machine in order to use Diamond Cut effectively ). Scratch X is Meguiar's answer for normal users who wants to reduce or eliminate fine swirls and light scratches by hand work.

How to use Scratch X : Always wash, clean and dry the areas which you want to apply Scratch X first. Use a foam applicator pad / or microfibre pad ( Meguiar's have both items, the foam applicator pad at RM 6.00 each, the microfibre pad at RM 22.00 per pair, but local Meguiar's prices have been increased on the 1st of June though ), and put a small amount of Scratch X ( a 20 sen size amount is OK for starters ) on 'em. Apply the Scratch X to the areas which you want to treat thoroughly 1st, then work the Scratch X in! You'll have to spend some elbow grease here. Scratch X have diminishing properties, so as you work in the products ( not so aggrasive, but with passion! Means that you have to put some extra work lah, not like applying or buffing wax ya. ) the product will start to haze and will dissipate. When it is almost gone ( it starts to haze, as in the applied areas are now almost clear ) buff it off with a microfibre cloth. You have to repeat the steps above for at least 3 times, then take a good look at your work. I can promise u, if you cannot clear off the fine swirls / light scratches, at least it will be greatly reduced ( I can promise you that because I'm using it! ) But be prepared though, if you want to work your whole car, it'll be impossible to it in a day, because you'll be soooo tired... For example, the front bonnet can take from 45 minutes to one hour plus, then front fenders can take up to 45 minutes each panel ( total 90 minutes / 1 hour and a half for both fenders ), front bumper another 45 minutes or so, so in total, to do a Scratch X work on a whole front end will take you at least 3 hours ++ minimum. My arms and fingers was so tired after only treating Scratch X to my front bonnet, so you can imagine how much work is required to do so.

If you do not want to have tired arms and hands, there is an alternative. Go and get yourself a Bosch GEX-270AE ( last time was RM 300++ ) dual orbiter machine. Then drive off to Hypercoat and get some Meguiar's backing plates, buffers and applicators, a total of around RM 300++. You can use this machine to apply and buff off the whole car easily. Remember to tape off rubber trims etc ( to avoid products to stick to 'em! ) and also windows ( use newspaper lah, to avoid product sling ). But with a dual orbiter, u cannot use Scratch X. U have to buy M80 Speed Glaze, and use that with the dual orbiter. Although the costs to use a machine, the correct products etc will cost you about RM 800++, you get to save time and these products lasts quite a while too!

You guys might think that I'm promoting Meguiar's stuffs too much, but they works! And the forum ( http://www.meguiarsonline.com is a haven for all things Meguiar's. They take the pains to educate customers on how to use their products properly.

I've used a number of other detailing products on sale here in Malaysia, and most of them are not working good enough, or is working way too much ( adding more scratches after application! ). Meguiar's stuffs works well ( if you know how to use 'em properly ), although the prices is getting a bit expensive nowadays.

If you guys are interested in purchasing Meguiar's consumer items, it's on sale ( with a SIZABLE discount, over at KLIMS. Discount is 10% for purchases under RM 100, 15% for RM 101.00 - RM 202.00, all the up to 35% for purchases over RM 501.00! Damn good deal ( and I splurged over RM 300.00 worth of MG's items! hehehe )
 
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Thank you very much for the information, ace79. May require further information from you if I purchase scratch X :)

mengz, maybe it's a little too serious in the way I talked, sorry ya.
 

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Guys, I've updated my previous post.
 

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ace79 said:
Guys, I've updated my previous post.
ace79,
u do sound like a meguiars salesperson or a meguiars specialist. whatever u said its the exact words u can find when u walk into a meguiars detailer. :) its just like the meguiars eduacational cd i have. And i have to agree with u, their products really works miracle, it works while other product fail to.

munpeng,
yes, ace said is true. the diamond cut is under the professional series which u cant buy outside,(need to go to the distributor). Whatever ace hardware is sellling is just consumer products (meant for hand jobs:embaressed_smile: ). i tried scratchX it doesnt work as good as diamond cut.(but cant compare la, one uses orbiter and one uses hand.) But diamond cut need a pro to do otherwise u can easily fry yr paint work.

mengz,
i called yr detailer, i think i hv to stick to my regular detailer coz he goreng his boss already, and he is doing freelance detailing work. charged me even cheaper now.wow!! im a happy man!
 

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thanks for replying cclems. so how's your detailer's price now? since he's already fried his boss, hehehe.
 

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munpeng said:
thanks for replying cclems. so how's your detailer's price now? since he's already fried his boss, hehehe.
RM220 for my kelisa including glass polishing. ok wat!:_:

mengz,
anyway tks for yr contact.
 

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no probs bro, he told me u called. hahaha, ur detailer goreng his boss? keng keng :P i believe he doing freelance now his price sure better ler, no shop, no boss, lower cost :)

anyways, if u guys wanna check out my detailer's work. the Ferrari Enzo and the Pagani Zonda at the KLIMS was done by him :)
 

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mengz, look like your detailer have kinda high profile wor. Btw, RM220 is not too high though, may try it out if I have extra cash to spend :)