I do agree that he likes to tell bedtime stories to us in hypertune, heck if you got bashed in an online forum you dont publish it nationwide...Hi everyone. Its been a while i didnt post here. I used to be a member of zth a few years back but lately i am active in the lowyat forums. Its has been my hang out spot ever since, esp the fast & furious section and photography. :)
Yes, my name was bashed by Mark and it is a surprise to me as well. Let me tell u guys the fullstory here.
There a thread in the fast & furious section (the car section in lowyat forums) which is a discussion topic on hypertune. Well i do bought that mag a few times but i found out the writting is , pretty bad. Well for the record i usually got my motoring news/reviews from paultan.org, autocar asean, top gear, fifth gear and of coz, Jeremy Clarkson's weekly articles and his show.
Mark writting is ridiculous at times as he wrote alot of unnecessery stories on his car articles. So a couple of months ago, i do post a reply on that hypertune thread saying Mark should be shot to death due to his terrible writting. Common, its just a public forum, u might see even worse stuffs in autoworld forum.
I do made a num of negative comments on hypertune in the lowyat thread, saying the mag is nothing but a babe watch/FHM wannable rather than showing good modifed cars, (although personally i felt hypertune is much better compared to local car mofiduing mags here). I also commented that the pricing is ridiculous and there too many advertorial.
Not to mention, the bad writting, esp from this writter Mark (esp a older issues, check the toyota yaris turbo article for reference, that all i can think off). There are a num of ppl agree with me on this/
But somehow, from his shocking but inmature writiing in the recent issue of hypertune has clearly shown how childish he is and he has clearly shown his lack of profession ism as a journalist. I believe even Paul Tan has better professional values than this jerk. I wondering how can the editor can allow his articles to be printed? God......
I let u guys judge who is the fault here, but while i can simply give bad remarks on a online forum as a regular joe, this person is putting something not bad but stupid and childish action in a printed media, as a journalist.
Its like having president bush says "f*** off" to Osama in national TV, don't u guys get the drift?
You think i just keep myself quiet? Watch this space guys.
yeah agree .... perhaps ur words has trigger his anger so he will publish it out...you shouldn't have said that "mark should be shot to death for the
terrible writing".maybe that sentence trigger his anger.
i second that....:)...but i'm no HT reader or buyer.never bought it before.hypertune binding sucks
every single issue that i buy, the pages will start falling out after a few reads
no matter how careful i handle it.
this has been their trademark since the very 1st issue!
Well, like I said, your statement could be viewed in both good and bad ways so it's really not to say whether your statement is too harsh or not. In a good way to view it, a person will see it with a positive view and take it as a challenge to improve. Bad in a way that your words are too harse and uncalled for, hence, he's just giving you back what you gave him. In short, revenge.Well i admit i might be harsh that time (blame my influence from Jeremy Clarkson, haha) but surprisngly while i track back what i posted on that hypertune thread in the lowyat forums, i wrote that statement "mark should be shot to death" almost a year ago. It is out of my believe his digging this now. Well that explains their satria neo project car took almost 1 yr to end.
Maybe my post is too lenghty that the meaning may have be conveyed wrongly, but what I'm saying has nothing to do with your job at all. I mentioned a bit about my job in service line just to give an example and sharing of my own personal experience, that's all. I'm not mentioning about your job at all, totally. So yes, your posting has got nothing to do at all with your job or your personal life. But my point is that though we may have comments that are harsh, the question to ask is "Is it really necessary to be that harsh although I seriously REALLY think his/her work totally and utterly maximum sucks?"Just for the record i also working in the IT support line, as one mentioned here, apart of solving majority of problems by performing server reboots, satisfying both the customer and the management is not an easy task. But when i made that post, i am posting in an online forum where it did not reflect anything on my profession. Its not like i making an harsh statement on my customer/company in an online forum or any printed media (that HR disaster if u asked me)
Well, again, no right and no wrong this one because there's many ways to look at it. He could be seen as giving you back your own medicine and that you deserved it. Yet, he could be seen as childish to not have seen your harsh words as something constructive. So how to judge a situation that's got equal rights and wrongs?But what Mark has displayed is seriously jeapodising his career as a journalist as his profession. This time he did not take harsh critism from a reader (that's me) but instead insulting the reader by putting childish and rude statement, on a printed media, as a journalist by profession.
That, I believe, should be left to his own decisions.I'm wondering from this incident if his getting more and more negative feedbacks from some online forumers, will the next issue of HP he will insult all the nicknames who insulted him as his act of retaliation? I cant imagine if that happened......
I'm not sure about you but to me, when I find it hard to forgive a person, I have this feeling of discomfort. Maybe cos in me, I've always dreamed of a world where all humans are friendly to each other, always cheerful and helpful, peaceful, living in harmony, you know, all those kinda stuff. But of course, that's just me. But then again, I'm also human with emotions and at times, I explode and harsh words come out too.I will ask u guys do u think this is acceptable? I seriously can't forgive this person.........
An Open letter to Mark & Hypertune<o:p></o:p>
To the so called journalist Mark,<o:p></o:p>
I'm one of your readers, and in the past i do bought a few copies of Hypertune as one of my motoring reads, being that i love cars and i have some certain interest of modifying cars. Just to let you know, my regular reads are Autocar ASEAN, Topgear Malaysia, & Jeremy Clarkson's weekly articles at the Times UK,as well as i have my weekly dose of Fifth gear and Top gear. That explains i have a higher taste on reading car reviews articles.<o:p></o:p>
Though i am personally not a fan of local car modifying magazines, i do bought a few issues of Hypertune depending on the content. Seriously i admitted if i take on the account of the most best selling local car modifying mags, Hypertune can easily be on top of the list. I have seen the worse from your rivals which explained why i don’t spend my money on those magazines. <o:p></o:p>
I'm a regular forumer in the Lowyat forums, possibility the biggest online community in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Malaysia</st1:country-region></st1:place>, and i regularly visit and post in the cars section, namely the "Fast & furious", in which there is a thread on discussing about your mag. A year back, on Oct 5th, i did made a post saying "Speaking of their writers, the one who deserves to get shot to death is Mark. His writing is horrible, lack of sense and unprofessional. "I admited i was harsh, but back then i was reacting to Mark's articles which contained a lot of irrelevant stories in some car review segments. There are a number of forumers who agreed on this. <o:p></o:p>
Take a look at vol 64, on the red Toyota Yaris turbo review. The introduction is horrid with irrelevant stories of how the car got involved in a minor accident before the writer can get the car to be reviewed. This may be other people liking but for me it’s a no. Different people different taste, sounds fair? <o:p></o:p>
A good professional should take criticism at their own heart but they also must be rational on taking other people's point of view. A professional have a choice to consider whether a feedback is doing good or bad to him/her. Somehow, let me get things straight.<o:p></o:p>
On the current issue on the Hari Raya 2007, apparently one year after i made that post in the lowyat forums, I was shocked and surprised with Mark's editorial writing. It was indeed unprofessional, unrespectful, lack of rational sense and childish from Mark. How come he has retaliated irrationally by putting my nickname (which is actually my short name) into a local publication and shooting such childish insults, on a printed media?<o:p></o:p>
I admitted I made a number of harsh posts on HT in that online forum as a regular joe (I’m on an IT based career FYI) in which my posts in the forum did not reflect anything on my profession. However he has written such sentence as the writer/journalist of the publication, do you think this is a clear display on how lack of professionalism Mark has displayed as a writer/journalist for a well reputated publication? <o:p></o:p>
Not to mention, he has shown lack of open and respect to the readers. A professional should take feedbacks, both good and bad, with an open heart and try his/her best to improve if that feedback is relevant. But from that immature reply has yet again shown he can’t take criticism and instead acting foolishly by retaliating it. <o:p></o:p>
You might not upset me for spreading such insult in a mass published magazine, but I am very disappointed with the way Mark has displayed as a writer/journalist. Such act is seriously jeopardizing his reputation as a writer and journalist, but as I mentioned earlier, it is up to Mark if he can accept such “feedback” from a disgusted reader. <o:p></o:p>
I have not yet mentioned how degraded Hypertune now according to some feedback from the online forums, from getting too expensive, too many advertorial, lack of quality content, too focus on sexy models instead of cars, and the list goes on. But the concern here is not losing another reader, but it’s about having someone from the journalism/writer line to perform something stupid.<o:p></o:p>
As for me, I am not hurt but rather feel disgusted. I have a choice on selecting what I want to read, so as everyone. But I must say I not pretty sure what other’s think of Hypertune and Mark after this incident has occurred. I also can’t predict how many more unsold copies of Hypertune will be collecting dust in newsstands in the future. I rest my case here. <o:p></o:p>
Damn right.Ixeo said:the magazine is not a platform for its journalists to vent their personal anger and frustrations.
careful ohh, later he post ur name in next issue pulak.. kekekekDamn right.
Mark is damn unprofessional to do so, and just because of his immature way of handling the public's view/remarks against him, he has jeapordized his position in hypertune.
Good luck to him!
I think he himself wishes that he be shot dead right now.
Wahhh.. Maybe he can post my smiley in next issue too.. Or maybe 1 year later only he'll post my smiley.. If he's still working in hypertune lah.careful ohh, later he post ur name in next issue pulak.. kekekek
wei uncle... simpan kulit la u.. retired oledi still wanna come out and bark bark... mauhahahaha.... celaka lu! stop playing cars but now play PRC.. summore got 4 PRC girls in the car yesterday afternoon!!! all shouting Piau Kerr... hen yang ah... poo yauu laaa!!!hmm notice that every issue of hypertune has at least 1 imprezza featured in it, or if not an Evo or a skyline. How bout some other makes..hmm guys? maybe some local more affordable cars which are highly modded that i am sure some around. Maybe not in Sunway... haha.
But i would say some of the articles which reviews all the latest performance parts and dynoed proven to its worthiness of the products are cool. At least we know more or less what we are getting from those products.
then again these products are like over 4 digits in price. lol.
then again i am sure they can reduce their 10.90 price since they have like advertisements popping up in every alternate page.
Top Gear is professional. They loon about on the show but they are ultra professionals, all of the team.Well seriously... who cares?
A professional magazine would be a boring one. A touch of humanity is cool sometimes. If Top Gear was professional it would become another boring ass talk-about-a-car show.
While Mark's comment may not be a sense of humour well appreciated by the public... seriously, why care? Its almost like there are too many people sitting around looking for things to criticise and complain about.
I'd rather look at porn.
they are ak kuas la... what to do, ppl dont make 6 digit salary like some new FC owner in old town. cant afford to buy IMPORT TUNER to oogle at those fake boobies mai buy hypertune to look at those local chickies lor. Then now their price also go up i might as well buy Motor Trader and oogle at the chic on the back cover lo. haih.wei uncle... simpan kulit la u.. retired oledi still wanna come out and bark bark... mauhahahaha.... celaka lu! stop playing cars but now play PRC.. summore got 4 PRC girls in the car yesterday afternoon!!! all shouting Piau Kerr... hen yang ah... poo yauu laaa!!!
Top Gear is professional. They loon about on the show but they are ultra professionals, all of the team.
The thing here is professional ethics. Its not about being boring or interesting or showing a touch of humaity. Like Ixeo said, the magazine isn't somewhere for him to vent his personal anger and frustration, especially not from an insignificant (in the big scale of things) post in an internet forum. It's not his personal blog.