ABS vs Bigger disc and calipers

[Seraph]

Lets take for example a Wira 1.5Gli it comes stock with disc in the front plus 2pot calipers (i think) and drum brakes at the rear.

So if was wondering if wanna get better performance ..

1) Transplant ABS from a compatible Lancer set.

2) Upgrade the rear to disc also, upgrade the front to bigger ventilated disc, and upgrade calipers from 2pot to 4pot (for example).

I think (1) would be the obvious solution if doing an engine transplant as everything would be compatibe but if it wasn't a transplant and the car got more power from bolt-on turbo/surpercharger/etc. whats your comment/ideas?

Thanks in advance sifu's :lol:

 

[guest18]

I dont like abs ... prefer larger caliper better pad and such

not fond of new age stuff

to me abs just dont feel right ,prefer use my own leg ...

 

[Dremel]

race car dun use abs ma..

4-pot? 2-pot still not good enough for you ka?

 

[beatnik]

ABS really helps for daily road use coz of the traffic & weather condition in malaysia

bigger brakes for track use

just my 2 cents :D

 

[flamefox850]

abs is just another advance technology to prevent BRAKE LOCK and prevent tires skid la but bigger caliper improves braking power. so, how to compare lah.
use both la

 

[GSR5559]

seraph: as for stock proton it is oni single pot..for those Vr4, Evo = 2 pot (twinpot)..if i were u :

1> go for twin pot wif cross-drilled and slotted wif a good brake pads recommended..

2> rear get a disc brake too..it will help alittle too, mebi 70/30 as in the brake usage for front/rear...

3> as for ABS , it depends to u how is ur driving style..u like real hard braking den dun use it but i know it will do miracles wen u cant control ur car

4> suspension also plays a roll here..wif a hard setup of suspension, ur braking performance will improve alittle..why ? once it is hard wen u go high speed and do sudden brake, ur front wont have much pressure and that will make ur braking better cus front wont drown too much ...this is jus my opinion..im not veri sure..im jus comparing driving a stock car wif a modded ones..a soft ones and a hard ones i can feel difference

hope it helps

 

[boggysv]

Originally posted by flamefox850@Jan 30 2005, 23:31
abs is just another advance technology to prevent BRAKE LOCK and prevent tires skid la but bigger caliper improves braking power. so, how to compare lah.
use both la

how does a bigger calipper produce more braking power?
I believe that the bigger calipper is to mount more "pots" that will help in evening out pad wear. Fluid pressure is still the same.

U will notice a whole lot of difference when u change to a bigger brake booster

usually it's just the pads/disc material, contact area and leverage effect that gives u the better braking power.

leave ur abs there...it wont kacau u when u r driving and it may very well save ur ass one day. It saved mine.

Racing drivers prefer not to use ABS to get more feel and control over that brakes.
Yes, I admit some of them may even brake better than the ABS system when all 4 wheels have decent grip.

tell me how are you going to brake when u run into a puddle of water on one side?
Or when one wheel gets oil spilled on it?

I bet my 2cents that the ABS can do a better job in such crappy situations.

cheers,
chen

 

[flamefox850]

ahhh wrong typing..not bigger caliper actually...bigger disc diameter..sorry

 

[boggysv]

I demm sien here ler...so just posting for fux.

biggger calipers are capable of mounting more and bigger pistons.
The surface area of the pistons determines the force the fluid can transmit to push the pads against the disc.
That's ur secondary school physics.

so, in a way, flamefox is correct that bigger callipers improve braking power.

 

[GSR5559]

bigger disc,bigger brake pump (twin layer),bigger callis,good brake pads,good suspension,braided hose,good tyres wif 101% thread,ABS, most important DRIVE SLOW..den evrythin shud not be worried about anymore..

 

[Dremel]

yalor, bigger rotor, more area of disc surface will lead to better heat dissipation

 

[Yong_5290]

i think changing 2 twin pot on 1.5 wira already very 'makan' edi...since it 4 vr4 turbo o evo....

n 1 more thing is tat...it looks damn cool wit those xtra large disc n caliper...

 

[Seraph]

oh standard disc wan is 1pot only kah? :P

sorry ah "^_^

i just thought bigger disc and more pots better braking distance, grip and threshold :(

 

[GSR5559]

yes stock proton cars are all single pot even for Putra,Gti, but they have a bigger callis/pistons and bigger disc diameter compare to 1.3/1.5 protons..as for GSR stock is also single pot but bigger disc diamter and bigger callis/pistons...VR4 also got single pot same like GSR ... and yes wif a bigger disc and callis will improve braking performance, thats how i feel le..if ther is no braking performance upgraded, why ppl spend so much to go for ENDLESS,Project U,Brembo, if they dun make any difference!!! and those brakes callis are 4 pot and more if im not mistaken..for sure it will make big big difference having those expensive brakes fo those powerful cars to brake in time..if bigger disc and callis wont make any diff, why EVO,Subaru dun use single pot rite? use back VR4 brake system or mebi GSR braking system..same thing rite..ehehhe
jus my 2 cents

 

[kher]

if car's performance not til tat stage no need go for big callipers n disc la...

save ur money for some better brake pad will do....
spend so much buy big callipers n disc later no money buy brake pad... :D

some ppl juz buy bigger callipers n disc to enhance thier car's look nia... ;)

 

[GSR5559]

kher : yeh man..if big callis and big disc but bad pads oso will not make big diff..i tried Endless pads on my frens car, wow chun i can say that..grip like hell man..wanted to try one for my car but xpensive man..cant afford to have one even for the blue pads around 3++ for front twin pot..sigh..bigger brake pump oso will make alittle diff , more pressure will be pump to the pistons..

 

[si|verfish]

Bigger better brakes aren't everything. Your wheels will definitely stop faster but your car will not necessarily stop faster. The brake balance and the grip on the road plays an important factor. Installing huge ass brakes may screw up these 2 factors and send you skidding into whatever obstacle God has carelessly left in your way.

 

[kher]

Originally posted by si|verfish@Jan 31 2005, 12:03
Bigger better brakes aren't everything. Your wheels will definitely stop faster but your car will not necessarily stop faster. The brake balance and the grip on the road plays an important factor.

yalo....mayb will lock up ur tyres also coz too much power used to stop the wheels.(i ownself tink 1... dun shoot me if i'm wrong) :D

if our cars really needed so much bigger callipers n disc the factory would hav put them in coz that's part of safety also ma... :D

if wan say proton lousy nvm la... :lol:

use japan's mitsubishi la... evos r using 4 pot brakes for the front if not mistaken... but dun tink so normal lancers hav them... ;)

try put with upgrading brake pads 1st... ;)

 

[Yong_5290]

n 1 more thing...if ur engine dun have tat much performance...then nonit 4 those big big disc n caliper...

add more weight onli...hehehe...

like my stock 1.5 wit front gsr n rear 1.8....heavy lah...

 

[Seraph]

aiyo extremist here..... :P

i never talk about extreme mod like what you guys are refering to.

basically for the same example car...

i) would it be more worth while to just get all-round disc brakes, perhaps better brake pad, pump, etc. (not crazy sizes, anything normal would do).

ii) or, transplant braking system with abs included from compatible model.

best choice of the above two if....

a) the car isn't going to have any halfcut transplant

B) no transplant but bolt-on upgrades

i assume it would be b+i and a+ii, comments more in this line please, thanks learn alot anyway ;) :lol: