after everyone wanna migrate then our govt beg us to come back like what they are doing now then how? :proud:Shhhh~ nanti don't know which YB come out and said," kalau tak suka proton design punya kereta, migrate ke Korea la kalau Kia dan Hyundai lebih bagus"
Like that they can never improve. Stupid asses.Shhhh~ nanti don't know which YB come out and said," kalau tak suka proton design punya kereta, migrate ke Korea la kalau Kia dan Hyundai lebih bagus"
I will take it and sell it..take the cash and spend it....MuahahahahaBack to year 2007, I just back from oversea. My friend told me how nice is MYVI and how he like it.. I said I dun know how MYVI look like, and i just trust my friend just because the things he like sure good one. one day I saw proton SAVVY, i though that is the car he mention to me. I called my friend and screw him kaw kaw. WTF that car design???? At that moment i think that my friend really got a bad taste. At last after he show me the real MYVI... Then I know that I saw is PROTON SAVVY. If I got SAVVY in lucky draw, sure I won't show up to claim the prize.
Why do you say Proton design is really good, can you share some good designs by Proton?
Correct, which is why I say I want to know who signed the dotted line the approve the design.
Thank you for the enlightenment, now I know, and readers of this thread know that the Juara is a copy of a rather unpopular vehicle by Mitsubishi.
Proton Savvy is not their own? Renault engine I know, that's what the Clio and Twingo uses. But the design is definitely not Renault. Not that Renault cars are very well designed to begin with.
They didn't make the GTi, Mitsubishi did, then they made the bodykit. LOL.
Frankly speaking, I would love to work in Proton, the first thing I will most definitely do is not renew all the contracts with the [strike]cronies[/strike] suppliers, and seek out partnerships with other car manufacturers to share a platform and engine design, much like the Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance between Hyundai, Mitsubishi and Chrysler -- I doubt anybody would say the 4B1* series of engine is bad.
Ford owns 3% of Mazda, yet Mazda still uses Ford's global platform, likewise Volvo is now owned by Geely but they still use some of Ford's platform.
One of the KEY reasons I believe why Proton doesn't want to do this is because if they do so, all the local [strike]cronies[/strike] suppliers will be cut out of the pictures since manufacturing will be shared with the allies.
Next, I will want to find out why they approve a design like Savvy and the ass of the Preve and Suprima, though the Suprima is better, Preve is unacceptable for something designed for market in 2012.
And then start planning for a Preve facelift, change the front and rear to more angular design like NSX concept and Tesla Model S. To look more futuristic. If you design a car to look like a 2012 car, it will look like a 2012 car in 2014 cause duh, it takes time to for design to actual production.
I mean, we look at ALL the cars out there, if you want to make something nice, then base/look at something nice to begin with. Just imagine when they were designing Proton Savvy, they were looking at Ferraris. They might have made something that looked like the Ferrari FF, or something close.
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Dear Sir, you are missing the point I am trying to discuss.
The thread is not about ugly cars, its about how Proton's design process (or lackthereof) works. When you OWN Lotus, and Lotus cars from this decade looks like this
and they have concept cars that look like this
How do you end up making cars that look like the Proton Savvy, or the rear of the Proton Preve and Suprima?
Here's a suggestion, fire everybody in Proton's design department, especially the guy who approved the designs. And get the people who designed Lotus concepts to design ALL the Proton cars. And Proton will start making cars that look world class but in passenger sedan and hatchback forms.
Much like the Aston Martin Rapide, the Porsche Cayenne, Porsche Panameras etc. People laughed when Porsche wanted to make a SUV, they cannot brain how can a Porsche be something as mundane as a SUV. And how can a SUV look like a Porsche? They were proven wrong.
I would honestly smack the living lights out of the designer of the Preve if he can tell me the Preve looks nicer than the Hyundai Elantra or the Kia Cerato. If you want to improve, you want to prove to the world you are better, then start comparing yourself to the world leaders, if you can't do something that is better than a BMW F30 today, then by the time you complete your car and deliver it, it would be, worst than the BMW F30 when it launches, and the F30 would probably be facelifted or obsolete by then, and your car is worst than an obsolete car. How stupid.
None of the cars you mentioned were designed by Proton. Maybe Waja, but its underpinnings was still a Lancer. LOL.i'm not a proton supporter, but yet i do indeed want to support proton as they are my national car and they did manufacture good car previously. i do know they want to improve everything. but the thing they have to improve most was their leader's mind. the leader are one who approve or not every car they design and prototype. god knows how much i miss the car like wira 1.8L, putra, satria gti, perdana or at least waja.. just wanna share my feeling towards our proton's fate.
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anyway, this talks just never end.. we can talks for few weeks but it wont be any change unless the big people inside proton do something..
Well, the final product is nothing like the concepts.
Proton MSX looks very nice, except the C-Pillar is ridonkulous, the rear window is too small, some touch up, less extreme angles and it would really be sweet.
The Proton Emas is also VERY nice, nicer than cars in its class like the Aston Martin Cygnet (Toyota iQ rebadged/bodykit) and the Smart ForTwo, I seriously wonder why don't they roll it out already. Cause if they roll it out now, it will be futuristic, cutting edge. But if they wait another 5-10 years, other designs would catch up.
Proton can no longer rely on Malaysia market, because other manufacturers are releasing more and more affordable cars. Like the revival of the Datsun brand for cheaper cars, which after tax it may be on par with Proton cars.
Frankly speaking, I feel Proton has VERY GOOD handling for its class, if not the best. Even the butt ugly Savvy handles extremely well against the likes of Myvi and Jazz. Even in stock form with its skinny tires. Handling is the absolute hardest thing to get right in a car, even the mighty Nissan GT-R consults Lotus Engineering for handling. Now Proton just need the looks to go with it. I feel the Proton Campro Turbo engine has a fighting chance against the 2L naturally aspirated engines for the next 5 years.
So now there's an opportunity window, release a facelifted Satria Neo with a 1.6L Campro Turbo, price it cheaper against the likes of the Fiesta ST, Clio RS, Peugeot 208 GTi, throw in godlike handling from Lotus, 4 airbags at least, ABS, EBD, TC, a sturdy 6 speed manual transmission, and market it as the pure unadulterated hot hatch. Make a stripped out version, call it R3, throw in LSD, price it more and this is your money maker - this would be your equivalent of a Megane RS Cup, ready to track out of the box. I mean, the Proton Satria Neo S2000 car was very successful, it is well known in UK & Europe. Bank on it!
Ixeo, i didnt mention DESIGN la bro.. i mention MANUFACTURE la..
u got point about that CFE Neo. but i'm not sure the big guy of proton would invest on it.. to me, its a damn good investment while u can even cover up all ur cost lost for R&D ing this engine and even the Preve... i would definitely buy it even without LSD or 6 speed. just a god damn manual trans is already a blast.
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and also a good marketing maybe by calling it Neo-S as a compliment for S2000 achievement.. who support me?
that's not enuff, need to bomb their website & get those big head fat arse hot on their ass man, those "guys" need more action done to wake 'em uphey ixeo. try send one e-mail to the big guys or maybe e-mail to though their web.. can ha?
Oh-oh, provided they ever read your email in the first place! Highly probable their mailboxes are 'out of quota'... for thousands of unread emails.hey ixeo. try send one e-mail to the big guys or maybe e-mail to though their web.. can ha?
Personally, I will not use the GTi moniker, simply because it is inaccurate to begin with to describe a hot hatch. GTI stands for Gran Turismo Iniezione or in English, Grand Tourer Injection, which is traditionally used for (duh) Grand Tourer cars. Just cause the Germans got bad command of English doesn't mean we should follow suit.If Proton ever want to bring back a hot version of Satria, it should not be other than GTi badge which was very successful during the 4G93 version. Call it S or R just doesn't sound home.
The big guns probably is out playing golf and their secretaries are the one who reads their email, faxes, and do their JOB for them.Oh-oh, provided they ever read your email in the first place! Highly probable their mailboxes are 'out of quota'... for thousands of unread emails.