Who you think is the best ever F1 driver?

[Daniel Lee]

but back to 80s the F1 is much more interesting than now.... especially in the years of turbo rulez while 1.5 litre engine can squeeze the heck of 1000horsies....

That time, those engines spiced up the race. Too bad turbo was banned later....:Not_Impressed:

 

[BlackSamurai]

guys, any change I can download Senna era F1 racing video with commentator background voice?

He has been a mistery for me. I mean I never have a change to see him racing, the only comparison between Schumi and Senna is the last 3 races within the same season, unfortunately, I don't that's fair enough to compare, Schumi did out shine Senna in first 3 races.

 

[sakuraguy]

Senna was the best, but Schumy is the next.

 

[infernaL]

Hey, I did.

my bad , read the posts before rather promptly . btw speaking of turbos before it got banned what u guys think about machine tech vs driver skills . according to answers.com , turbos got banned in 1989 cuz FIA felt that driver aids is the factor of races being won , not driver skill .

i feel that formula 1 being the top of automotive races in the world should not limit teams in developing iaosjdisajjdlkajslja

fuck ive forgotten about ferrari's dominance till the rules got changed . owned lol

anyways , thats the fun of comparing drivers . like jackie stewart said in an episode of top gear its old drivers - less safety / harsher racing equipments and conditions vs new drivers - more safety / better driver aids .

 

[links]

in the past superb drivers like Senna can drive the 3rd class lotus, start from behind and chase all the way to the champion........it hardly happens nowadays..you wont possible see spyker team car to over take 12 cars in a race to get podium finish....

nowadays is like car dominate the race more than the driver....for example kimi, he was not even in top 5 finish last time in minardi...since he join mclaren the result totally different...

really wonder how BMW can built the m10 engine which screw a 1200hp from a 1.5litre engine and yet still can last a F1 race without blowing out......

 

[prodigy]

in the past superb drivers like Senna can drive the 3rd class lotus, start from behind and chase all the way to the champion........it hardly happens nowadays..you wont possible see spyker team car to over take 12 cars in a race to get podium finish....

nowadays is like car dominate the race more than the driver....for example kimi, he was not even in top 5 finish last time in minardi...since he join mclaren the result totally different...

really wonder how BMW can built the m10 engine which screw a 1200hp from a 1.5litre engine and yet still can last a F1 race without blowing out......

It was Senna's handling of cars that made him such a great driver. He was able to outdrive a mediocre car that made him such an outstanding driver. As you pointed out, he made Lotus look good. Besides, he's the real rainmaster. I watched a couple of clips of him in the rain and in Monaco, he's just the best in rain. And of coz not forgetting Donnington 93 where he started 5th and within half a lap, he was already leading the race.

As for Kimi, he started off with Sauber Petronas. He had no F1 experience whatsoever and only had a few races in some Formula which i forgotten. What made him so special was his raw talent and speed. He was super quick, super calm and doesn't make mistakes. That was what Peter Sauber saw in him and Sauber didn't even think twice before signing him on and fighting so hard to get Kimi's super licence. I think the FIA even gave Kimi a probation period of a few races and he must not make any mistake that would make FIA pull his probationary licence away. At the end of the day, he passed the test with flying colors and was given the super licence under special circumstances. If not mistaken, Kimi actually scored points in his debut race in Melbourne. He was so highly rated that Mclaren's boss, Ron Dennis actually signed him up and paid some 10 million for his release clause.

 

[Daniel Lee]

Mika Hakkinen also did make some contribution for Kimi's contract to McLaren.

 

[prodigy]

It was probably one of those Finnish connections. I'm sure Ron Dennis didn't need Mika's advice to know that Kimi is quick. It was pretty obvious Kimi was quick straight out of the box. He's such a calm figure but he somehow lacks good luck.

 

[butthead]

in the past superb drivers like Senna can drive the 3rd class lotus, start from behind and chase all the way to the champion........it hardly happens nowadays..you wont possible see spyker team car to over take 12 cars in a race to get podium finish....

nowadays is like car dominate the race more than the driver....for example kimi, he was not even in top 5 finish last time in minardi...since he join mclaren the result totally different...

really wonder how BMW can built the m10 engine which screw a 1200hp from a 1.5litre engine and yet still can last a F1 race without blowing out......

i think BMW were able to pump out about 1500BHP in qualifying trim at max during the benetton years...

1200BHP is not a problem on a race car... it is a mather of finding the right material and compromise the rest like reliability and fuel consumption... it is not the same as trying to push a 2 litre road car engine to produce 600BHp by modifying it... those engines were built from scratch to produce that amount of power....it is not hard to believe as top fuel dragsters could produce in the range of 7000BHPs i heard... and not to mention in the old days they used to have 220 litre fuel tanks...

it is hard to explain how Senna manage those positions...but Sennas lotus still isn't a Spyker or Minardi ain't it..

 

[butthead]

That time, those engines spiced up the race. Too bad turbo was banned later....:Not_Impressed:

too dangerous... drivers blacking out in mid-turns

my bad , read the posts before rather promptly . btw speaking of turbos before it got banned what u guys think about machine tech vs driver skills . according to answers.com , turbos got banned in 1989 cuz FIA felt that driver aids is the factor of races being won , not driver skill .

i feel that formula 1 being the top of automotive races in the world should not limit teams in developing iaosjdisajjdlkajslja

fuck ive forgotten about ferrari's dominance till the rules got changed . owned lol

anyways , thats the fun of comparing drivers . like jackie stewart said in an episode of top gear its old drivers - less safety / harsher racing equipments and conditions vs new drivers - more safety / better driver aids .

machine tech is a must for F1 to continue developing... driver aids on the other hand is not really important...turbos were banned because the cars got too scary... imagine driving a drag racer on the track...hehehhe

 

[Y a k u Z a]

I've always thought that Damon Hill was a superb driver! Anyway it's really sad to see the video of Senna's crash which is available @ youTube.com

 

[prodigy]

Damon Hill is very much like Jacques Villeneuve. Needs a good car to win. I'm not saying they're bad drivers, just that they're not exactly what you call great driver.

Senna, Prost, Michael are example of drivers who overdrive their car and is able to come out with something out of mediocre cars.

 

[David_1211]

if i not mistaken at that time TUrbo charge only can have 1500 cc of engine capacity??but the team can squeeze 1500 ++BHP on qualifying run....and reduce to 1000bhp on real race....NA can have 3000cc of capacity...
i think for all the year i've been watching F1...MSC is the best...but counting in the history and past of F1 that i've been read..i think Niki has my attention..
Anyone know Can-Am racing??

 

[infernaL]

too dangerous... drivers blacking out in mid-turns



machine tech is a must for F1 to continue developing... driver aids on the other hand is not really important...turbos were banned because the cars got too scary... imagine driving a drag racer on the track...hehehhe

but isnt that the idea of formula 1 being the cream of the crop of racing ?

 

[butthead]

but isnt that the idea of formula 1 being the cream of the crop of racing ?

there should be some balance between safety and speed... of course Formula 1 is among the top in track racing...but there should not be any reasons that 1 or 2 drivers get killed in every 3 or 4 races right... FIA and the drivers association does worry on their and the marshalls and spectators safety...

sooner or later F1 will run out of drivers...

taking calculated risk is what the drivers do... doing something that endangers themselves and others shouldn't be...

 

[Daniel Lee]

if i not mistaken at that time TUrbo charge only can have 1500 cc of engine capacity??but the team can squeeze 1500 ++BHP on qualifying run....and reduce to 1000bhp on real race....NA can have 3000cc of capacity...
i think for all the year i've been watching F1...MSC is the best...but counting in the history and past of F1 that i've been read..i think Niki has my attention..
Anyone know Can-Am racing??

What's Can-Am racing?
I never see Niki raced before!

 

[BlackSamurai]

Damon Hill? he is busy with his music band

 

[David_1211]

Can-Am racing is Canadian-American racing at around 1960-75 i think
at that time Can-Am is even more popular than F1..know Y??
Bcoz the Car R so high tech...engine horsepower,technologies,and aerodynamic and more important, very very good pay...
Niki smell this piece of gold and sambil racing F1, he went to Over pacific for Can-Am racing,no limit of Hp..and displacement...the car is extremely fast and uncontrollable...and driver life is put on the line...thats the legend of Can-Am

at that time even traction controll has been on Can-Am race car
no limit on displacement...u can have how many Hp u can squeeze...only one thing is strict in Can-Am was the wheel must be covered by body...not like F1

check on internet about can-am racing

 

[Daniel Lee]

David_1211, thanks for the intro about the Can-Am racing. :)

 

[lantoi]

All Round driver,
Fastest Driver, I vote Gilles Villenueve. Daredevil driver.
Driver with attitude, Ayrton Senna & Nigel Mansell