proton wira convert evo 4 / 5 . Possible ?

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plan 2 convert my wira to evo 4 or evo 5 engine . Any 1 saw ppl do it b4 ? Izit very difficult to change mouting leg to convert ?

Izit possible to use back my evo 3 disc brake & fuel tank if i convert to evo 4 engine?

Hope got sifu can giv some advise. thanks .
 

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The Answer >>>>>> http://www.gila-kereta.com/3ProtonWiraevo7.html , http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/cars-for-sale/293513-wira-evo-7-4wd-for-sale.html

for ur information JPJ WILL NOT ENDORSE anyting like this but when u decide to use as track car ( sure can leh ) no problem on that. got money, everything jalan. i have saw some wira with subaru engine n evo 6.5 engine. in JB ( area pasir gudang, Skudai n Taman U got very crazy wira, waja n perdana ).....nowdays people go wild in modification.

u should upgrade every inch of ur car ( chassis stitching, welding n etc, UR bars, autofoam, 4pot n 2pot disc brake, tyre atleast 235/??/?? , 4WD system gearbox ( have to welding there n here ). at last u will got a monster n can go sepang n play play.

Later when u got all money that u spent for the car from races. u can keep ur car a side ( cant sell ) n go for ur dream car. LOL ....
 

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possible mar... as smallmaster replay, even evo7 can put in... malaysia boleh! if RM is not an issue..
U still can use the evo 3 disk brake but not sure whether it can stop the evo 4/5/6/7 speed at the right time. Of course the evo 3 fuel tank is needed. If u plan to 4wd it, u must change the rear floor board to 4wd floor board, the best is floor board from evo1/2/3 because its can be swap with wira rear floor board. All this conversion is not as easy because involve with body, chassis thing and involve with all engine mounting that have to change. Handling is also an issue even if the engine mounting is strong and balance, wear and tear will high mostly on the mounting, also might suffer with crack on your body.
I agree with what smallmaster comment...
 

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hey bro..better go for evo3. find any lubang and approved it. can save money. evo3 is still similar power. after approve, go n do chassis welding ( better than evo3 chassis....LOL ), put some bars n hit the road legally as weekend car. can play with wrx n evo's in highway. can save money also.....
 

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yes.... go for evo3, buy complete 1 car cut, so u can get what u needed to full conversion to 4wd, if not to full conversion to 4wd, front cut is enough already. Worth spending money then do the evo 4/5/6/7 conversion.
 

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Smallmaster & 8229,

thx for de advise given . I not planning to go for endorse cuz dis car is juz for fun ride at de weekend sometimes, normally will juz keep at home .I juz wanna do it 2WD onli, n keep de engine ori. erm ... i'm more intrested on e4 or e5 engine rather den e1-e3 . :wink::wink:

Bars, tyre , and brake system i'll replace it . Juz wondering izit very hard to change engine mouting place ? And e4 or e5 dashboard can be fitted into wira ?
 

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LANCER CK dashboard can be fit in nicely. Yah got lot of welding n cut for the mounting.

My advice go for evo3 with endorsement. EVO3 power in wira chassis can tapau wrx, sr20det, n etc in road. if u change mounting sometimes u will feel different handling at ur car. Evo3 combined with eclipse gearbox ( u can feel the damn power shakes ur car ).

Anyway its up to u......cheers...just my 2cent
 

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if it was me, i wouldnt do it
the evo1-2-3 has a big range of modications
ehem, isnt the fastest evo in the world a evo1-3 ? ehhehehe
 

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LANCER CK dashboard can be fit in nicely. Yah got lot of welding n cut for the mounting.

My advice go for evo3 with endorsement. EVO3 power in wira chassis can tapau wrx, sr20det, n etc in road. if u change mounting sometimes u will feel different handling at ur car. Evo3 combined with eclipse gearbox ( u can feel the damn power shakes ur car ).

Anyway its up to u......cheers...just my 2cent
Is there any different with Lancer CK dashboard and evo 4 or evo 5 dashboard ?

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if it was me, i wouldnt do it
the evo1-2-3 has a big range of modications
ehem, isnt the fastest evo in the world a evo1-3 ? ehhehehe
jin u are right , But i juz wanna keep de engine ori . Wouldn't wanna do any modification .
Dono y i realli more intrested on e4 / e5 engine . Another reason is that these engine more new den e1-3 , i think if i could find a half cut that is in good condition, less prob that i nid to face to fix de engine ...
 

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Smallmaster & 8229,

thx for de advise given . I not planning to go for endorse cuz dis car is juz for fun ride at de weekend sometimes, normally will juz keep at home .I juz wanna do it 2WD onli, n keep de engine ori. erm ... i'm more intrested on e4 or e5 engine rather den e1-e3 . :wink::wink:

Bars, tyre , and brake system i'll replace it . Juz wondering izit very hard to change engine mouting place ? And e4 or e5 dashboard can be fitted into wira ?
If convert to evo 4/5, it will be quit hard to change the engine mounting place, because they (mechanic) will put in the engine of evo4/5 to your engine bay then they will welding the evo 4/5 mounting bracket that they have remove from the evo 4/5 chassis (of course this will be done after they have remove your previous mounting bracket) maybe some of your chassis will be cut to make space for the gearbox. Evo 4/5, lancer ck dashboard can be fitted to wira, some bracket they have to modified it... and your door skin will be a bit not in same shape as the dashboard when you close the front door.
 

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Quite intresting on this thread..

If the engine mount is being cutted or modified..or something similar to word CHANGE..
do u think it is possible to performed??
 

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If convert to evo 4/5, it will be quit hard to change the engine mounting place, because they (mechanic) will put in the engine of evo4/5 to your engine bay then they will welding the evo 4/5 mounting bracket that they have remove from the evo 4/5 chassis (of course this will be done after they have remove your previous mounting bracket) maybe some of your chassis will be cut to make space for the gearbox. Evo 4/5, lancer ck dashboard can be fitted to wira, some bracket they have to modified it... and your door skin will be a bit not in same shape as the dashboard when you close the front door.

ur advise given is very clear n good point for me . thanks !

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Quite intresting on this thread..

If the engine mount is being cutted or modified..or something similar to word CHANGE..
do u think it is possible to performed??
yea it is possible to performe , y not ? It might juz not performe well in terms of handling like e1-3in wira as sifu said .
 

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why not buy waja and then convert it to e4 - 7? i think waja is the most similar to e4 - 7?? just my 2 cent..
 

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for evo 4/5/6 besides waja, neo, gen2 oso can fit rite...

even the blm saga? changing mounting requires alot of quality work otherwise it will koyak ur chassis..btw ur wira is from wat cc car?
 

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why not buy waja and then convert it to e4 - 7? i think waja is the most similar to e4 - 7?? just my 2 cent..
i onli have old wira . will juz use dis car to play, don think i will spend $ juz to buy a waja to convert .

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for evo 4/5/6 besides waja, neo, gen2 oso can fit rite...

even the blm saga? changing mounting requires alot of quality work otherwise it will koyak ur chassis..btw ur wira is from wat cc car?
my wira is 1.6 onli :proud: no planning to go for jpj inspection . juz for weekend play at tracks mayb
 

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bro...if u do mounting change... my mechanic tell that have to pateri the new mouting n got many work. bro evo3 ENGINE still ok in half cut shop. Don judge the engine by its age. if u throw the evo3 engine, u can mod it n can feel the damn G.

Again its up to ur taste. Make sure u do a Monster Wira. later we can cucuk each other at highway...lol.... kip in tuch bro...

remember bro >>>> Make sure u do autofoam, chassis welding at engine bay n gearbox area n put all the damn Ultra Racing bars, n adjustable suspension, n brake system. Safety 1st, Handling 2nd, Powerrrrr 3rd.
 
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yea bro, if do the mounting change to evo4/5/6 even if they (mechanic) use water gouge (timbang air) to balance the engine, its still cannot be compare to evo1/2/3 mounting bracket that is perfectly fit to wira/satria/putra chassis that can perform very good handling.
 

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i remember a taiwan magazine, Option Fans. gt a proton agogo/satria have fited evo 7 n full 4wd system.n use left side driving.if u gt money sure can, plus u can put 4wd as well. u maybe can try find in youtube video.
 

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bro...if u do mounting change... my mechanic tell that have to pateri the new mouting n got many work. bro evo3 ENGINE still ok in half cut shop. Don judge the engine by its age. if u throw the evo3 engine, u can mod it n can feel the damn G.

Again its up to ur taste. Make sure u do a Monster Wira. later we can cucuk each other at highway...lol.... kip in tuch bro...

remember bro >>>> Make sure u do autofoam, chassis welding at engine bay n gearbox area n put all the damn Ultra Racing bars, n adjustable suspension, n brake system. Safety 1st, Handling 2nd, Powerrrrr 3rd.

yea , i agree cant judge by age . choosing half cut depends on luck also . but my taste is still e4 or e5 engine ... lol

Monster wira ? hmm ... i belive on de road there's realli lot ... especially in dis boleh land .. Wat ride u driving ?

erm ... wat is autofoam ? :confused:

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yea bro, if do the mounting change to evo4/5/6 even if they (mechanic) use water gouge (timbang air) to balance the engine, its still cannot be compare to evo1/2/3 mounting bracket that is perfectly fit to wira/satria/putra chassis that can perform very good handling.
wat is water gouge ? Izit a mus to balance de engine after convert ?
 

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Im also using Wira. going to throw e3 inside. autofoam is where they put 1 kind material inside the hollow of chassis.. so it reduce chassis flex, noise, great handling n etc.
 

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Im also using Wira. going to throw e3 inside. autofoam is where they put 1 kind material inside the hollow of chassis.. so it reduce chassis flex, noise, great handling n etc.
tht's great . goin 2 mod ur e3 engine become monster ? lol

autofoam, i nvr hear b4 . do u kno wat izit call in malay or cantonese ?
 

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how much if wan do to sport/track.can ask for me? loc jb, n i wan compare price between singapore n kl. my 1.3 satria chasis too soft.
 

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bro...if u do mounting change... my mechanic tell that have to pateri the new mouting n got many work. bro evo3 ENGINE still ok in half cut shop. Don judge the engine by its age. if u throw the evo3 engine, u can mod it n can feel the damn G.

Again its up to ur taste. Make sure u do a Monster Wira. later we can cucuk each other at highway...lol.... kip in tuch bro...

remember bro >>>> Make sure u do autofoam, chassis welding at engine bay n gearbox area n put all the damn Ultra Racing bars, n adjustable suspension, n brake system. Safety 1st, Handling 2nd, Powerrrrr 3rd.
Old thread, but the last paragraph caught my attention. I more interested on chassis welding.
I not into wira evo convert, i already put 93t.
Since i in penang, set aside foam thing.
Sometimes lepak at pomen workshop, always hear koyak here and there. Chassis welding will improve or lessen koyak koyak ? sifu pls give comment. :adore:
 
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Yea I heard chassis welding is illegal for otr cars too. Why not foam? It works.
dont even bother with welding...

foaming, make sure its done properly and it's alright i guess..... keep in mind, it's an irreversible process with its fair share of pros and cons.
pro: strong (played with excess foam before, for the most part i guess it does the job
con: in an accident, the chassis might not give way as expected by the manufacturer. The car feels harsher, messy and not easy to clean up. Also, makr sure you know your chassis well, any wiring/drainage might get buried or blocked. In some cars, the door switch is located pretty low down, in my case, this cable got buried... its fine while it works but one fine day it snapped.... and it was an absolute pain in the arse rewiring it.
 

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I take it that the new wiring has to run from outside of the beam; likely under the carpet. Did you have to drill a new hole to insert it back into the beam?
the original wiring for my car actually ran under the carpet (its recessed) then up one side into a hole. its this section where everything was foamed,
-had to dig through alot of foam to get it through :motz: didnt do any drilling cause thats just potentially asking for trouble
-used a screwdriver to slowly dig a hole from the outside half way and another hole from the inside the rest of the way
-push a wire through and that was it.

Main difficulty was that the cable had to snake through the foam in the hole. (still wonder how i managed to push the cable through that 90 degree bend, pure luck? :hmmmm:) There are probably better ways of doing it but yeah end of the day job done, still does through the original pathways..

not really an issue with everyone's cars, some cars have the switches higher up so those should be safe, its just that my switch was unfortunately located below the foamed sections.
oh ya... someone else got their sunroof drainage blocked.... i dont know how, apparently the drainage tube going down the A piller got pinched or blocked somehow...:confused:
 

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well....got pro and cons. Foaming is better alternative.
If chassis welding illegal, full stop. Who know, accident then want to claim...:banghead:
 

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well....got pro and cons. Foaming is better alternative.
If chassis welding illegal, full stop. Who know, accident then want to claim...:banghead:
Just as an FYI though, some insurance companies will not pay if your car is foamed too cuz it's impossible to fix if banged up.

Seam welding is just strengthening existing stock welding points or weakened ori welds. Or just sell your car and buy an original Satria R3 car which comes pre-welded by the R3 boffins. Or the Satria Neo Clubsport which is welded and roll-caged by R3 and both cars are completely road legal.
 

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Oh as a idiot myself, I have to tell you if you choose to foam - go with Autofoam the original foam. Anything else is a waste of time and money (even though cheaper).
 

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Foam doesn't strengthen the chassis in a significant manner
Defnitely, but it does help to a certain extent i guess... My friend's car has been rear ended badly, after foaming it does strengthen the chassis quite abit. But again that's an old chassis that has been rear ended. Probably the result aren't as significant on modern chassis which is already quite stiff to begin with.

dont even bother with welding...

foaming, make sure its done properly and it's alright i guess..... keep in mind, it's an irreversible process with its fair share of pros and cons.
pro: strong (played with excess foam before, for the most part i guess it does the job
con: in an accident, the chassis might not give way as expected by the manufacturer. The car feels harsher, messy and not easy to clean up. Also, makr sure you know your chassis well, any wiring/drainage might get buried or blocked. In some cars, the door switch is located pretty low down, in my case, this cable got buried... its fine while it works but one fine day it snapped.... and it was an absolute pain in the arse rewiring it.
yeah that's the cons to it. Pray hard that nothing goes wrong hahaha.

Oh as a idiot myself, I have to tell you if you choose to foam - go with Autofoam the original foam. Anything else is a waste of time and money (even though cheaper).
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Just as an FYI though, some insurance companies will not pay if your car is foamed too cuz it's impossible to fix if banged up.

Seam welding is just strengthening existing stock welding points or weakened ori welds. Or just sell your car and buy an original Satria R3 car which comes pre-welded by the R3 boffins. Or the Satria Neo Clubsport which is welded and roll-caged by R3 and both cars are completely road legal.
really depends on how bad its hit... if bent outtashape... ohh habis (then again, one really would not want to drive a car with that kind of damage anyway)

and you are also right... get it done by somebody reputable.



Thanks. One of my door switches no longer working. Was wondering how I should go about fixing it
yang ni actually very easy....
-first find where the problem lies, switch or wiring.
-pull the rubber cover off the switch, its usually a simple plastic switch held on by a screw and one wire (grounded directly onto the chassis, if it falls off in your hands like mine did well figure out how to connect it)
-just do a continuity test by the switch, if switch works, wiring, otherwise its the switch (iirc, complete circuit when the button is released, pressing it breaks the circuit).

after that, either replace the switch OR just start pulling the car apart (cant explain here, dont know what u drive, just some plastic trim, carpeting, thats about it)
 

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Just about to get foaming, well i did have some thought on accident scenario, how bad would it be with the chassis is strengthen by foaming :hmmmm: , looks like will go with UR bar then.

Pv6 with evo also has nice G pulling it at 1.1bar..hahaha cant imagine in wira.:burnout:

welding the existing welding point should be legal right ? nanti xboleh jual kereta pulak:bawling: ..
plan to do at welding point surround the engine mounting point.
 

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Defnitely, but it does help to a certain extent i guess... My friend's car has been rear ended badly, after foaming it does strengthen the chassis quite abit. But again that's an old chassis that has been rear ended.
Rear ended by a 7 series ...




Insurance paid for the repairs ...







When car came back, rear right wheel when jacked up is higher than the other side




The wheel tilts inwards. Not driveable. Caused by this ...





Spent the last few months parked idly while I tried unsuccessfully to find it a new body. In the end took a chance and had it repaired by another shop. Now feels okay but I still have some engine work to do before I test it proper
 

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Rear ended by a 7 series ...

Insurance paid for the repairs ...

When car came back, rear right wheel when jacked up is higher than the other side

The wheel tilts inwards. Not driveable. Caused by this ...

Spent the last few months parked idly while I tried unsuccessfully to find it a new body. In the end took a chance and had it repaired by another shop. Now feels okay but I still have some engine work to do before I test it proper
oh wow... thats a really bad crash...
 

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Sorry, to see your car in that state.....:smokin:
How come during Insurance repair that was not done properly?
 

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Sorry, to see your car in that state.....:smokin:
How come during Insurance repair that was not done properly?
Lol. . .I wish I know. It was a real mess when I got it back. Had enough of waiting for it. Preferred to fix it out of my own pocket. Wheel hub was damaged. So replaced with new

 

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ouch....so the foam really help to take some of the impact. ?
Cant be sure. I am not that experienced in assessing collision damage. Sec, I show you pics of the BMW and my car.





The fender took much of the impact& crumpled in. Didnt hit the chassis beam below the boot, Main damage was my rear wheel. Judging from the pictures, I think the BMW's wheel hit mine.

There's a tear on the fender where the petrol filler lid. I have autofoam on the C pillar. Dont see crumpling there. So I suppose the autofoam did help in a way.



Possible this part would have folded more if there weren't any autofoam there.
 

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I wasn't present during the accident. My brother was driving. He stopped to take a call. Accident occurred several minutes after he has stopped. I am guessing the driver was in a rush