[WTA] Does a mini turbo really saves fuel?

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350????? :biggrin:



i think they've missplaced a "dot" somewhere:biggrin:
 

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This is stupid... Another scam product... Tell me the science behind it...
 

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Yes please explain to all of us here... I'm sure a lot of people want to know. How does it improve power and FC. What is the mechanism and the science.

Thank you.
 

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Guys... Take a look at this advert... At first I believed it is bullshit because most of these small devices for adding power and saving fuel are bullshit.

But when I read the third point on the second photo attached, I can confirm 100% (If not I accident and die tomorrow) that it is bullshit. :stupid:

You guys tell me why :proud:

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Sorry forgot to attach the link here it is

<http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/engine-and-performance/366651-wts-add-power-2.html>

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Aiks... Cannot add link? Here...

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/engine-and-performance/366651-wts-add-power-2.html
 

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EEEEEISSH...seeing these products REALLY MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL.

Some of those selling snake oil are all profiting grossly from stupid ppl who buy them, and they often drive cars like WRX STis, Type Rs, so on. Cost price = $2-$10, but jual $200-$300.

These things happen when I was working as a writer for HOTstuff magazine. As you know, there are many so called "reviews" beside the advertisement for these snake oil products in the magazine.

They often showcase a dyno chart and how the product is so great, blah blah blah (often the dyno is faked one where the seller PAKAT with the dyno guy to jack up the figures)

And everytime I sneak a look into the product owner's car, they confirm don't have the thing in their own car. Obviously, they, and we know, that these things do not work, but rather, serve to prey on the minds of the naive.

The most ridiculous product I was "forced" to try on my old car by one of the mag's advertisers was this product that directs the cold air-con air into the air intake, hence, so call "promising cooler air into the engine and more power, more torque, save fuel, blah blah blah"...instead it DESTROYED my intake sensors.

Broquet was the other such product, amongst the many many other horrible snake oils that I was forced to put on my car as part of the review.

NONE worked. In fact, some served to make my engine run less smoothly than before.

The dunno what Mini turbo, Surbo (caused ALOT of engine problems in Singapore) and dunno what Add (should be MINUS) Power all is NO DIFFERENT. SORRY.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the flaws in the advertisement, and the tell-tale signs of the ridiculous claims going on, like bro Veloc has pointed out.

I'm going to go point by point based in the advert:



1- Claims to increase horsepower. HOW? By tapping into the ECU? guess not. By so call "reconditioning the battery" so MAYBE it will draw less power from the alternator and hence, the alternator will drain less of the engine? I doubt so. Switching your air-conditioner off works MUCH better.

2- SUBJECTIVE - if you install this product on 10 CARS and ALL TEN have the same battery in service after 3 years of PROPER product R&D, THEN maybe I will consider buying

3- WOW, so you are actually telling me that this product can PHYSICALLY CHANGE THE SIZE OF MY FINAL DRIVE gear so that the rpm is reduced? Sorry, the ONLY way your engine RPM will decrease given that your car is traveling at a CONSTANT VELOCITY is if you REDUCE OR ENLARGE your gearbox synchros or the final drive ratio. This is common sense - if you were pedaling on a bicycle, and you took steroids, are you going to tell me that you can pedal slower while going at the same speed as compared to before you took the steriods, provided you are in the EXACT SAME gear?

4- So you are claiming that no matter how RABAK or HANCUR or JIALAT or BADLY WORN the battery is, you can actually restore it to brand new condition, ie. the actual LEAD RODS inside the battery will magically GROW again? That's as ridiculous as telling me that the foreskin on my gentlemen's part will grow back after I kena sunat (circumcision) just because I inserted an electrically charged product into my arse.

5- Even I get MORE variations in my fuel consumption without any bullshit products. I refuel once every 3 days (40L) and I can tell you I either average 9 km/l with my Lancer 4G93T OR 11 km/l DEPENDING on how I drive and I am actually talking about the SAME ROUTES..that takes into account a 120KM DIFFERENCE ALONE based on driving habit. You are telling me that you can actually PROVE your product adds or makes up the difference alone? Cmon man..who are you kidding?

6- OH MY GOD..I didn't know my injectors had TIME GAPS in between the opening and closing of their pintle caps. Like that, all the EFI engines in the world will BLOW sky high because of fuel starvation lah, am I right? I'm not an expert at this la, and I know injectors will obviously have their time-break in between firing sequences but I'm sure this is not what the advertisement insinuates in the first place. Btw, if this were really true, and i'm no tuning expert, have you bolted on this product to an actual CAR, AND a laptop to that same car with let's say, a Haltech aftermarket ECU in order to determine the so called opening and closing time gap of the injectors? Ths is assuming one can even check in the first place, and I don't know much about tuning so I can't say for sure.

7- Did you actually measure the brightness of your headlights before and after instead of just claiming it or posting meaningless/proof-less pictures? Where's the photo of the light meter as well? But even then, how do we know that these figures aren't doctored?

8- Yet another bold claim with no grounds. Self explanatory as in point 2.

btw, you want a long lasting battery? Try Optima deep cycle batts for car audio, or Amaron (lasted me 3 1/2 years over 90,000km+) or just stick to the cheap lead-acid water filled battery. Dirt cheap, and if you rajin top-up water, 1 year also won't KONG...lol

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PS. Dear advertiser. Why am I being so harsh with my words? That's because if you were to market your product as a battery conditioner or voltage stabilizer, we can still close one eye and accept it. However, the physical size of your product is so small that you can't even fit capacitors inside. And then, you make all sorts of wild claims and try to convince us with NO proper proof of R&D. That's scamming innocent pple like Makciks and Aunties from kampungs or who are less-informed about cars, into buying snake oil like this.

Please do us all a favour - take a step back and a deep breath, and then examine your product from a third party's point of view and see whether what I'm trying to say makes sense or not. I'm sure you're a nice person and all, but you've just been duped into believing that this product actually WORKS when it doesn't. And i'm sure there are 100000 forummers here who can echo my opinion. Lastly, I apologise if this has offended you in any way. I'm attacking the product. Not the person.
 
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Bro nikolaiski... Really thank you for pointing out one by one... I just got so lazy to explain it. That's why I asked friends to just ponder upon point 3. It's the most ridiculous. Maybe if that conman didn't type that, he might just fool more people... He said he is willing to explain the science behind it. But until now not even one fart sound... Let's see whether he answer or not... This guys is just showing off his ignorance man...:stupid:
 

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much like voltage stabilizer to me...just with diff casing... :hmmmm:
 

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ok let me defend myself

1. Yes it does increase Horse power on WHEEL because when the alternator works the extra mile to charge a battery that wont charge.. you do lose A LOT of power so if you dyno the same car with an almost dead battery and a brand new one.. yes you would get different hp on wheel results and add power does it WITHOUT turning off the a/c

2several cars were used for R&D and yes the battery WILL last longer but for this i cant state the fact on how many cars were used.. come on you dont buy colgate toothpaste from a supermarket and ask the promoter how many people the product has been tested on right?

3 ok for this.. imagine you have a turbo car that was running at 1bar boost and on the last gear at say 7000rpm you manage to pull 260km/h then you turn the boost down to 0.5bar then even at 7000rpm on the last gear you wont be able to achieve 260km/h right? maybe you'll get 240km/h or 220km/h.

4 ok the lead pole doesnt corrode away in your battery.. it gets covered with sulphate which then decreases the surface area.. and the surface area eventually becomes too small so the alternator ends up charging the battery all the time because you are using more energy then you are charging.. so what add power does is it removes as much sulphate off as possible from the surface of the lead.

5 like the poster said it all depends on your driving habits but these figures were taken under the same driving habits

6 ill get back to you on this.. because im also not sure

7 you are being too skeptical on this. . its a commonly known fact that poor battery performance will lead to dimming of lights and since this recovers the battery performance and maintains in that state yes it will make it brighter

8 same as 6.

what my product does is

Stablizes Voltage

Recovers battery and maintains it at its best possible state for as long as possible

so the advantages list here are advantages you get from a stablized voltage and good battery performance. its just listed out for people that dont know much about cars so its easy to understand.

if you dont belive it.. buy one, if it doesnt work, return it and ill refund you the money

and dont just simply call me a conman because you dont know for sure do you?
did i con you personally? have you bought my product?
dont go around calling people conman when they havent conned you.
if you buy my product and it doesnt work.. then you are more than welcome to call me a conman.

this product is from korea its not some china brand crap. anyways if you have any more questions pm me i will be more than glad to answer

anyways have a nice day everyone :)
 

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ok let me defend myself


3 ok for this.. imagine you have a turbo car that was running at 1bar boost and on the last gear at say 7000rpm you manage to pull 260km/h then you turn the boost down to 0.5bar then even at 7000rpm on the last gear you wont be able to achieve 260km/h right? maybe you'll get 240km/h or 220km/h.
i cant understand this becoz as i know speed depend on gear ratio or final drive...if u have 100hp car or 200hp car the speed will be same at 7k rpm regardless of the power output
 

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1. Yes it does increase Horse power on WHEEL because when the alternator works the extra mile to charge a battery that wont charge.. you do lose A LOT of power so if you dyno the same car with an almost dead battery and a brand new one.. yes you would get different hp on wheel results and add power does it WITHOUT turning off the a/c

Sorry, that doesn't do it for me. How do you increase WHP when the the alternator "works the extra mile to charge a battery that won't charge" ? And no, not all cars work that way - unless your alternator is ALMOST DEAD, your car continues to draw power directly from the alternator in some cases, instead of the battery, depending on how it has been wired or re-wired, so again you are presenting a variable factor with no fair tests or parameters involved and conveniently putting the "blame" on factors not directly related to your product

2several cars were used for R&D and yes the battery WILL last longer but for this i cant state the fact on how many cars were used.. come on you dont buy colgate toothpaste from a supermarket and ask the promoter how many people the product has been tested on right?

where are the SOLID results? "several cars" does NOT cut it for a product costing MUCH MORE than a bottle of colgate. Besides, how many of you actually believe the claims colgate has made? what tooth whitening this and that? But do you care? NO. Because a bottle of Colgate costs around RM10. However, a product such as this Voltage stabilizer-ish cum god-knows-what thing costs much more. This sorta product warrants PROPER r&D with published results endorsed by a panel of researchers and PATENTS. Did the originators of your product even do that?

3 ok for this.. imagine you have a turbo car that was running at 1bar boost and on the last gear at say 7000rpm you manage to pull 260km/h then you turn the boost down to 0.5bar then even at 7000rpm on the last gear you wont be able to achieve 260km/h right? maybe you'll get 240km/h or 220km/h.

Invalid comparison. Your hypothesis above is different from what was claimed. If one pulls the boost back, your RPM will NOT EVEN HIT 7000rpm because your engine just does NOT have enough power to reach said engine speed at 0.5 bar of boost. With 1 bar of boost, yea, your engine rpm WILL INCREASE and hence, so will your SPEED. You claim that the engine rpm DECREASES given that the speed of the car remains the same. Go and read what I've written again and see if this is indeed possible.

4 ok the lead pole doesnt corrode away in your battery.. it gets covered with sulphate which then decreases the surface area.. and the surface area eventually becomes too small so the alternator ends up charging the battery all the time because you are using more energy then you are charging.. so what add power does is it removes as much sulphate off as possible from the surface of the lead.

sorry, my bad. but then again we end up asking ourselves, so why don't you market your product as a proper BATTERY CONDITIONER?

5 like the poster said it all depends on your driving habits but these figures were taken under the same driving habits

again, where is the published results? There has to be proof beyond daily human irregularities and factors.

6 ill get back to you on this.. because im also not sure

7 you are being too skeptical on this. . its a commonly known fact that poor battery performance will lead to dimming of lights and since this recovers the battery performance and maintains in that state yes it will make it brighter

no bro, i'm confident that i'm not being skeptical on this because i've seen at least 35 other similar products like yours before and I've actually taken them apart and written about them because I used to work as an aftermarket automotive tuning journalist in a magazine where people have constantly pushed us to advertise their product and write a "good review" in return for $$$. I know for sure what i'm looking at, and I will run A MILE from this sort of product. If your product is any different, it's going to be very difficult for you because of the flawed marketing strategy of present.

what my product does is Stablizes Voltage

Recovers battery and maintains it at its best possible state for as long as possible

so the advantages list here are advantages you get from a stablized voltage and good battery performance. its just listed out for people that dont know much about cars so its easy to understand.

if you dont belive it.. buy one, if it doesnt work, return it and ill refund you the money


so now your product just stabilizes voltage la. CMON LA STOP CHANGING YOUR CLAIMS.

and dont just simply call me a conman because you dont know for sure do you?
did i con you personally? have you bought my product?
dont go around calling people conman when they havent conned you.
if you buy my product and it doesnt work.. then you are more than welcome to call me a conman.

this product is from korea its not some china brand crap. anyways if you have any more questions pm me i will be more than glad to answer


Did i once call you a conman? Like i said, you may believe in your product but none of us do. I'm attacking your product and not you as a person because all of us have seen just tooooo many of these snake oils coming to and fro. Tell me la, if it really really works, why aren't professional racing teams or car manufacturers paying you millions for your patent, if there is even one, so they can buy your technology and incorporate it into their cars?

Your lack of knowledge to immediately SOLIDLY answer any of my questions already proves that you either don't know much about your product or that the product's marketing strategy is just flawed, and we really don't need people buying things like that. As consumers who like tuning cars, we'd be much more receptive if you brought in maybe, performance parts that actually work like big brake kits or aftermarket ECUs or intercoolers, etc etc? That's the crowd you're talking to bro.
 
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