FD2R vs Golf TI - Reliable vs Cost

[dkny]

FD2R vs Golf GTI - Reliable vs Cost

I open this new tread not to discuss which car to choose, but more to which car are reliable vs cost.

1. Which car have better FC
2. More reliable, less problem, less headache
Example - Gear box problem may cause u a bomb to replace/repair.
3. Turbo vs NA Jpn Car - Turbo car tend to overheat especially during heavy jam + hot weather.
- So far I hear Golf GTI turbo overheat problem easily causing the electronic part malfunction.
4. Replacement parts
- Golf GTI parts/accessories are way more expensive as it import from Germany, as told by Service mechanic ( No idea ?)
5. Maintenance / Repair
- Not many workshop able to service / repair Golf GTi, as new technology, or need specific equipment for this monster ? Is it true ?

So, who really drove those car, please help advice me, before I decide which car to buy.
I not talking about performance, as we already knew GTI more power then FD2R in normal drive, but FD2R better in track.
And those car are very similar price, that made me confuse to choose.

 

[cRazYee]

FD2R for the win!

When u drive this kind of car, why would you care of fuel consumption?
If you have this concern, surely performance car isn't you choice already

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If want even more power, MAZDA 3 MPS

 

[dkny]

Although FC not really a concern for those plp who like sport car, but as I mention, I wana compare reliable, not only performance.

 

[cRazYee]

I think u should look at is, FD2R are more often used to wrack corners

Instead GTI tends to receive better care

But if recon one, I say don't no trust any

 

[6UE5t]

FD2R should be more reliable since it's manual gearbox and N/A engine, but the GTI might have better FC and much more comfortable.

 

[dkny]

item 3 is the most concern thing I wana know

 

[stupidcar]

I have seen many APR Stage 3 Golf GTIs, they run well compare to other VWs because they say Golf is uing wet clutch instead of dry clutch. Not sure. But Golf GTI can take some serious power gains.
For me, FI for the win. Just cannot not love the BOV sound.
Regarding number 4, after sales, just check VW Malaysia FB page. They suck badly.

[/COLOR]If want even more power, MAZDA 3 MPS

This car can't take a lot of beatings wor. :\

 

[dkny]

• View topic - Mk5 GTI, idling problem and shutdown itself when weather hot

Just check VW Golf forum, many complaints on engine off during hot weather/traffic jam on idle.

• View topic - Is VW reliable?

VW reliable ?

 

[ixeo]

item 3 is the most concern thing I wana know

Item 3? FD2R has a super reliable engine, K series.. used in...
Civic Type R
Accord Euro R
Integra Type R
Acura RSX-S
Civic Si
Accord
Stream
CRV
Integra Type S
Acura CSX
Acura RDX (turbo)
Acura TSX
Element
Spirior
Crosstour

The amount of cars sold using the K-series engine is... like, more than half of Honda's total worldwide sales. If the engine got problem Honda can close shop already.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Do keep in mind that the DSG gearbox in Volkswagen has been infamous for causing a lot of trouble. The cost to replace one is sky high as well. However, the Golf GTI is more comfortable and practical as a daily drive car than the Civic Type R. Another point to note is FD2R only uses RON97 petrol.

If you're thinking about resale value, in my opinion, I think that the FD2R had a better resale value in long term. With the infamous DSG problems in VW cars, I don't think that will be good for it's resale value next time in the future. For FD2R, just look at the price of those older Civic with B series VTEC engines. They have a respectable resale value for cars with that age.

 

[Izso]

Curb weight for GTI is 2tonnes.

2 freaking tonnes. That's one heavy ass mofo hatchback. Reliability as long as the mech you go to (if not the official Wearnes workshop) knows what he's doing it's pretty reliable. Special attention to be taken on the FI bits and gearbox. Friends GTI MK6 has lasted her for 2 years and the only thing that broke was her side mirror cover cuz some dumbass motor knocked it during heavy traffic. No stalling or dying problems whatsoever.

Comfort wise - Golf GTI win
Power wise - Golf GTI win
Daily drive easy and comfort - Golf GTI win
Class and stylo milo - Golf GTI win
Jockeys and guards give face - Golf GTI win

Everything else FD2R win.

K-engine Vtektek sound 7000rpm FTW - WIN!
Corner like a god with his ass on fire - Civic R Win!
Awesome interior and Recaros, momo and back support - Civic R Win!
Riceboy and every JDM lover drool worthiness - Civic R Win!

Personally I'd go for the Civic R but I wouldn't say no to a Golf GTI either. Both cars are great and both cars will be expensive to maintain and both cars can be quite fussy with maintenance - but both cars will make you grin from ear to ear whenever you take it out for a spin.

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Oh Caveat - even though Golf GTI works with RON95, if you plan on taking it out for spirited driving, it's still recommended to use higher octane petrol.

 

[PocketRocket]

I read horror stories on VGM FB page...Day 2 of collection already kena Mechatronic issues. bad bad bad.

Even Polo GTi, Cross Touran got issues. Only model I din read much horror stories is Jetta

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Scirocco VS TypeR.mp4 - YouTube

Performance of FD2R against a Scirocco....

 

[DeaconFrost]

Item 3? FD2R has a super reliable engine, K series.. used in...
Civic Type R
Accord Euro R
Integra Type R
Acura RSX-S
Civic Si
Accord
Stream
CRV
Integra Type S
Acura CSX
Acura RDX (turbo)
Acura TSX
Element
Spirior
Crosstour

The amount of cars sold using the K-series engine is... like, more than half of Honda's total worldwide sales. If the engine got problem Honda can close shop already.

Good point there. Didn't think about it this way before.

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I read horror stories on VGM FB page...Day 2 of collection already kena Mechatronic issues. bad bad bad.

Even Polo GTi, Cross Touran got issues. Only model I din read much horror stories is Jetta

Mostly the 7 speed DSG.

 

[stupidcar]

Scirocco VS TypeR.mp4 - YouTube

Performance of FD2R against a Scirocco....

Cameraman what car?

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Cameraman what car?

From the looks of it, it looked like a BMW 3 Series. E90 generation..

 

[halycon]

2 freaking tonnes < ---- Only if the driver weight 700kg :proud:

GTI Mk6 = 1318kg

Source : Volkswagen MK6 Golf GTI | Car Review | evo

Car Most Likely To be Stolen = Civic FD2R

Curb weight for GTI is 2tonnes.

2 freaking tonnes. That's one heavy ass mofo hatchback. Reliability as long as the mech you go to (if not the official Wearnes workshop) knows what he's doing it's pretty reliable. Special attention to be taken on the FI bits and gearbox. Friends GTI MK6 has lasted her for 2 years and the only thing that broke was her side mirror cover cuz some dumbass motor knocked it during heavy traffic. No stalling or dying problems whatsoever.

Comfort wise - Golf GTI win
Power wise - Golf GTI win
Daily drive easy and comfort - Golf GTI win
Class and stylo milo - Golf GTI win
Jockeys and guards give face - Golf GTI win

Everything else FD2R win.

K-engine Vtektek sound 7000rpm FTW - WIN!
Corner like a god with his ass on fire - Civic R Win!
Awesome interior and Recaros, momo and back support - Civic R Win!
Riceboy and every JDM lover drool worthiness - Civic R Win!

Personally I'd go for the Civic R but I wouldn't say no to a Golf GTI either. Both cars are great and both cars will be expensive to maintain and both cars can be quite fussy with maintenance - but both cars will make you grin from ear to ear whenever you take it out for a spin.

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Oh Caveat - even though Golf GTI works with RON95, if you plan on taking it out for spirited driving, it's still recommended to use higher octane petrol.

 

[ixeo]

Curb weight for GTI is 2tonnes.

2 freaking tonnes. That's one heavy ass mofo hatchback. Reliability as long as the mech you go to (if not the official Wearnes workshop) knows what he's doing it's pretty reliable. Special attention to be taken on the FI bits and gearbox. Friends GTI MK6 has lasted her for 2 years and the only thing that broke was her side mirror cover cuz some dumbass motor knocked it during heavy traffic. No stalling or dying problems whatsoever.

Comfort wise - Golf GTI win
Power wise - Golf GTI win
Daily drive easy and comfort - Golf GTI win
Class and stylo milo - Golf GTI win
Jockeys and guards give face - Golf GTI win

Everything else FD2R win.

K-engine Vtektek sound 7000rpm FTW - WIN!
Corner like a god with his ass on fire - Civic R Win!
Awesome interior and Recaros, momo and back support - Civic R Win!
Riceboy and every JDM lover drool worthiness - Civic R Win!

Personally I'd go for the Civic R but I wouldn't say no to a Golf GTI either. Both cars are great and both cars will be expensive to maintain and both cars can be quite fussy with maintenance - but both cars will make you grin from ear to ear whenever you take it out for a spin.

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Oh Caveat - even though Golf GTI works with RON95, if you plan on taking it out for spirited driving, it's still recommended to use higher octane petrol.

I think your comparison criteria kinda retarded. You are comparing a passenger car (Golf) to a race car (FD2R).

Everybody in ZTH knows Honda Civic Type R is a race car. That's what the R stands for, Racing. I'm pretty sure out of the box the FD2R laps Sepang faster than even a Subaru Impreza STi. And you compare stuff like comfort? Who gives a shit about comfort if you're considering a FD2R?

The only thing comparable between the 2 cars is the price. And for the money you can either buy a transportation tool, or a race car. If you want a race car that serves as a transport, go buy a Porsche Panamera Turbo S. If your answer is no money, then go screw yourself cause you can't have the cake and eat it too.

And P/S I don't think a Golf is more comfortable than a Civic. Maybe more refined but a normal Civic surely feels more spacious. I've spent 2 weeks living with a Golf Mk5. Maybe the newer ones improved. Class...lol... VW is just the Proton of Germany..nothing class about it.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

I think your comparison criteria kinda retarded. You are comparing a passenger car (Golf) to a race car (FD2R).

Everybody in ZTH knows Honda Civic Type R is a race car. That's what the R stands for, Racing. I'm pretty sure out of the box the FD2R laps Sepang faster than even a Subaru Impreza STi. And you compare stuff like comfort? Who gives a shit about comfort if you're considering a FD2R?

The only thing comparable between the 2 cars is the price. And for the money you can either buy a transportation tool, or a race car. If you want a race car that serves as a transport, go buy a Porsche Panamera Turbo S. If your answer is no money, then go screw yourself cause you can't have the cake and eat it too.

And P/S I don't think a Golf is more comfortable than a Civic. Maybe more refined but a normal Civic surely feels more spacious. I've spent 2 weeks living with a Golf Mk5. Maybe the newer ones improved. Class...lol... VW is just the Proton of Germany..nothing class about it.

Seriously? How can a FD2R beat an Impreza WRX STI on track? Even in stock form, Impreza WRX STI had more horsepower, torque and a 4WD layout compared to the FD2R.
Other than Panamera Turbo S, M5 can be considered as well.

 

[6UE5t]

Seriously? How can a FD2R beat an Impreza WRX STI on track? Even in stock form, Impreza WRX STI had more horsepower, torque and a 4WD layout compared to the FD2R.
Other than Panamera Turbo S, M5 can be considered as well.

You just need to look at the TTA results in the last few years to see how quick the FD2R on track, at least in Sepang.