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As per the title. What are these new generation of Peugeots, Renaults, Citreons & Fiats like to live with in Malaysia? Anyone have any personal experience with a new gen frenchie/italian in Malaysia? Its always intriguing to me that these niche brands in Malaysia consistently pop-up in top car awards in Europe but are hardly acknowledged here.

With the prices they're going for these days in Malaysia, hard to deny how tempting it is to wanna take the leap and pickup a new 308 or Clio RS. I used to own a Citreon DS3 in England, it was brilliant. A 5-Speed, hill assisted manual, 2-door hatch. It was super reliable as well, owned it for 2 years from new and not a single problem came up. Leased an Abarth 595 alongside the Citroen for 6 months, was a great time, especially being a uni student.

Sad to come back to Malaysia and see everyone buy the same thing over & over again (T,H,MB,BMW). Is there actually a problem with the units they bring in here? Or is it just the public perception? Really tempted to take a leap and buy a new 308.
 
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As a owner of a Pug 408T myself, i can say this honestly. Actually is a good car in essence. The downfall is the built QC and the aftersales service which you have to deal with. I personally stop sending it to SC after 3 times i think and just get it service outside. Im willing to void the warranty partly because of the fear of leaving my car with them (from stories i have heard) and also i mod the car. Is all about your luck when it comes to this. Some Pug has less or no problems compared to the others. I heard that they are improving on their aftersales service but i cant verify as i do not send my car there anymore.

If you are into resale value, please turn away from this car. There is no such thing as resale value when it comes to these cars. It doesnt exist in their vocabulary.

Also being French, and if you are into modding you car, you will have very limited aftermarket parts (locally). Its difficult to source and alot of times you have to research yourself or import (buy online).

But driving wise, it is honestly quite good for the price their offering.

My personal advise, if you really like the car, get a 2nd hand one. And if is possible, get the last production batch car. They have less problems or none of the typical issues as they rectify all of it for the final batch (i.e. use the updated parts, etc.)
 
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As a owner of a Pug 408T myself, i can say this honestly. Actually is a good car in essence. The downfall is the built QC and the aftersales service which you have to deal with. I personally stop sending it to SC after 3 times i think and just get it service outside. Im willing to void the warranty partly because of the fear of leaving my car with them (from stories i have heard) and also i mod the car. Is all about your luck when it comes to this. Some Pug has less or no problems compared to the others. I heard that they are improving on their aftersales service but i cant verify as i do not send my car there anymore.

If you are into resale value, please turn away from this car. There is no such thing as resale value when it comes to these cars. It doesnt exist in their vocabulary.

Also being French, and if you are into modding you car, you will have very limited aftermarket parts (locally). Its difficult to source and alot of times you have to research yourself or import (buy online).

But driving wise, it is honestly quite good for the price their offering.

My personal advise, if you really like the car, get a 2nd hand one. And if is possible, get the last production batch car. They have less problems or none of the typical issues as they rectify all of it for the final batch (i.e. use the updated parts, etc.)
Thanks for the insight! Not a stranger to resale value, my 428i is worth 40% of the value I bought it for hahah. Can't digest how absurdly rubbish the SC must be if you're willing to void the warranty and go outside. Hows the service network here in Malaysia? Are parts as easy to get as Mercs & Beemers?

I agree, they drive surprisingly well! Gonna check out some frenchies this weekend. Maybe ill be lucky and get a warranty from the dealer :banana:
 

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More of an Abarth fan personally, but i’ve noticed Alfas & Fiats have close to 0% support structure here, from availability of parts & local shop expertise. Not brave enough
There's one Quadrifoglio on sale in mudah. And I saw one on test plates in bangsar.

It has 0% support. Sime Darby did a crap job the last time distributing their cars. The fact that the cars were crap at reliability didn't help.

Peugeot, I heard nothing but bad news from owners. And aftermarket support not as much as VW in terms of parts and specialists. The 1.6 PRINCE engine is also crap, and BMW has abandoned it completely.

Between the Renault, Peugeot and Citroen, I'd pick the Renault. Friend had nothing but good things to say about his Megane Cup. And Tom here has a Clio RS.
 
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There's one Quadrifoglio on sale in mudah. And I saw one on test plates in bangsar.

It has 0% support. Sime Darby did a crap job the last time distributing their cars. The fact that the cars were crap at reliability didn't help.

Peugeot, I heard nothing but bad news from owners. And aftermarket support not as much as VW in terms of parts and specialists. The 1.6 PRINCE engine is also crap, and BMW has abandoned it completely.

Between the Renault, Peugeot and Citroen, I'd pick the Renault. Friend had nothing but good things to say about his Megane Cup. And Tom here has a Clio RS.
Thats spot on. I do remember a time when Alfas were sold brand new here, but i swear it lasted 5 minutes.

Personally, i’ve been aiming for a Abarth 695 Ferrari for 4 years. Even with the continuous drop in price, the prospect of maintaining it is just too scary. Out of 15 shops i asked, only 2 were vaguely confident enough to say they can service it.

You’re right in that Renault is probably the safest bet. Tan Choong obviously knows how to run a car business.
 

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Hey Guys,

As per the title. What are these new generation of Peugeots, Renaults, Citreons & Fiats like to live with in Malaysia? Anyone have any personal experience with a new gen frenchie/italian in Malaysia? Its always intriguing to me that these niche brands in Malaysia consistently pop-up in top car awards in Europe but are hardly acknowledged here.

With the prices they're going for these days in Malaysia, hard to deny how tempting it is to wanna take the leap and pickup a new 308 or Clio RS. I used to own a Citreon DS3 in England, it was brilliant. A 5-Speed, hill assisted manual, 2-door hatch. It was super reliable as well, owned it for 2 years from new and not a single problem came up. Leased an Abarth 595 alongside the Citroen for 6 months, was a great time, especially being a uni student.

Sad to come back to Malaysia and see everyone buy the same thing over & over again (T,H,MB,BMW). Is there actually a problem with the units they bring in here? Or is it just the public perception? Really tempted to take a leap and buy a new 308.
I am the sad owner of a frankenstein BMW E36 328i. I can tell you now BMWs of this age are cheaper to buy new parts than a Nissan Sylphy (my earlier car). Surprisingly parts for aged BMWs are plentiful and I'm not talking about used or halfcut condition parts. Brand spanking new either from Autobavaria or alternative German brands. A complete lower arm for example I can get non AB brand but some German brand I can't pronounce for RM280 vs the RM580 price AB sells it for. Brand new! Owning a conti is not too bad if you ask me but it's relative.

The catch is it has to be mainstream. Audis and Peugeots have loads of scary ass stories of cars being parked for months just waiting on parts and then there's the horror stories of contis breaking down due to our weather. BMW originally had a extra high mileage service interval, something like 20k km or something. I can't remember. There were so many break downs they revised it to 10k km afterwards. Then there's the old issue of Citroens legendary magic carpet suspension not holding up to the humidity and heat here and constantly needing repairs and servicing.

Personally I think if you are comfortable financially to some degree, conti cars are ok to own but you need to get familiarized with the contacts and networks of suppliers and owners. Helps a lot in terms of ownership and maintenance.
 
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I am the sad owner of a frankenstein BMW E36 328i. I can tell you now BMWs of this age are cheaper to buy new parts than a Nissan Sylphy (my earlier car). Surprisingly parts for aged BMWs are plentiful and I'm not talking about used or halfcut condition parts. Brand spanking new either from Autobavaria or alternative German brands. A complete lower arm for example I can get non AB brand but some German brand I can't pronounce for RM280 vs the RM580 price AB sells it for. Brand new! Owning a conti is not too bad if you ask me but it's relative.

The catch is it has to be mainstream. Audis and Peugeots have loads of scary ass stories of cars being parked for months just waiting on parts and then there's the horror stories of contis breaking down due to our weather. BMW originally had a extra high mileage service interval, something like 20k km or something. I can't remember. There were so many break downs they revised it to 10k km afterwards. Then there's the old issue of Citroens legendary magic carpet suspension not holding up to the humidity and heat here and constantly needing repairs and servicing.

Personally I think if you are comfortable financially to some degree, conti cars are ok to own but you need to get familiarized with the contacts and networks of suppliers and owners. Helps a lot in terms of ownership and maintenance.
Thanks for that Izso. I agree with familiarizing with the supply network. My family kept our W204 running at minimal costs. It was surprising to find brand new parts from outside stockists costing a fraction of what NZ Wheels used to charge. Contis aren'tas hard to live with in Malaysia as people make it out to be, but I agree with you that it HAS to be mainstream.

Which is why I wrote the title as Non-BMW etc. Was curious to see how the other side of continentals are fairing in Malaysia. I figured it wouldn't be so bad seeing as there are so many of these cars running around Malaysia. But reading the stories, sounds like a nightmare.
 

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For Malaysian Market basically is the resale value. I have a friend who had a PUG308T, Claim GB and also the turbine if not mistaken. Sold it after warranty period.....lol
As for Renault, many models are now equipped with Nissan engine...
 

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For Malaysian Market basically is the resale value. I have a friend who had a PUG308T, Claim GB and also the turbine if not mistaken. Sold it after warranty period.....lol
As for Renault, many models are now equipped with Nissan engine...
Was it a recent 308T? I know the previous gen was plagued, but havent seen a new gen 308 owner complain yet. Maybe im not lookin in the right places hahah.

Didnt know Renault supplies cars with Nissan engines now. Does this apply to non-RS models like the Clio GT?
 

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Was it a recent 308T? I know the previous gen was plagued, but havent seen a new gen 308 owner complain yet. Maybe im not lookin in the right places hahah.

Didnt know Renault supplies cars with Nissan engines now. Does this apply to non-RS models like the Clio GT?
Is the Older PUG model as over warranty already.

Renault owns 40 plus % of Nissan already. I saw the Koleos and the salesman said is equipped with Nissan engine. Not sure what other models are with Nissan engine
 

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Thats spot on. I do remember a time when Alfas were sold brand new here, but i swear it lasted 5 minutes.

Personally, i’ve been aiming for a Abarth 695 Ferrari for 4 years. Even with the continuous drop in price, the prospect of maintaining it is just too scary. Out of 15 shops i asked, only 2 were vaguely confident enough to say they can service it.

You’re right in that Renault is probably the safest bet. Tan Choong obviously knows how to run a car business.
The Alfa 159 in rosso corsa is still sexy as hell, but used prices not cheap. Makes more sense to buy an E90 diesel. And I wonder how the cabin plastics and rubber hold up in our weather. I remember first seeing it in Quantum of Solace chasing the DBS down.

Not so much Tan Choong, but Ghosn is smart to streamline and merge the reliability of Nissan into Renault gradually. Still the parts are expensive versus the T & H.

This beaut is available for 650k Malaysian Ringgit!
Hmm, this or the Maserati Ghibli. The Maserati is nice in front, but the rear is ugly as hell. I think I'll still pick the Panamera over these 2. Cause at least there's support and service.

Its not so much about the money, but more about the car being on my driveway ready for me to drive it, end not parked in the service centre waiting for parts. It's DAMN sian waiting for parts.

I am the sad owner of a frankenstein BMW E36 328i. I can tell you now BMWs of this age are cheaper to buy new parts than a Nissan Sylphy (my earlier car). Surprisingly parts for aged BMWs are plentiful and I'm not talking about used or halfcut condition parts. Brand spanking new either from Autobavaria or alternative German brands. A complete lower arm for example I can get non AB brand but some German brand I can't pronounce for RM280 vs the RM580 price AB sells it for. Brand new! Owning a conti is not too bad if you ask me but it's relative.

The catch is it has to be mainstream. Audis and Peugeots have loads of scary ass stories of cars being parked for months just waiting on parts and then there's the horror stories of contis breaking down due to our weather. BMW originally had a extra high mileage service interval, something like 20k km or something. I can't remember. There were so many break downs they revised it to 10k km afterwards. Then there's the old issue of Citroens legendary magic carpet suspension not holding up to the humidity and heat here and constantly needing repairs and servicing.

Personally I think if you are comfortable financially to some degree, conti cars are ok to own but you need to get familiarized with the contacts and networks of suppliers and owners. Helps a lot in terms of ownership and maintenance.
Even if I am financially able, when my car is unreliable, or when doing service found out like the rubber bushing in the lower arm is dead and have to wait 2 weeks for parts, I'll sell the freaking car, cause limpeh is rich and ain't nobody got time for that. Unless it is a collectible or classic, then that's different, because its not a car, its a hobby.

If it was a Porsche 930, then hell yes I would wait 2 months for parts. Cause that's not a car, that's a legend. A modern Peugeot? Hahaha burn that thrash with fire, and claim insurance.

Thanks for that Izso. I agree with familiarizing with the supply network. My family kept our W204 running at minimal costs. It was surprising to find brand new parts from outside stockists costing a fraction of what NZ Wheels used to charge. Contis aren'tas hard to live with in Malaysia as people make it out to be, but I agree with you that it HAS to be mainstream.

Which is why I wrote the title as Non-BMW etc. Was curious to see how the other side of continentals are fairing in Malaysia. I figured it wouldn't be so bad seeing as there are so many of these cars running around Malaysia. But reading the stories, sounds like a nightmare.
So I guess its Renault then. Otherwise, a Porsche.
 
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Is the Older PUG model as over warranty already.

Renault owns 40 plus % of Nissan already. I saw the Koleos and the salesman said is equipped with Nissan engine. Not sure what other models are with Nissan engine
Figured, thanks for the info! Time to do some light reading


The Alfa 159 in rosso corsa is still sexy as hell, but used prices not cheap. Makes more sense to buy an E90 diesel. And I wonder how the cabin plastics and rubber hold up in our weather. I remember first seeing it in Quantum of Solace chasing the DBS down.
Suuuper sexy, the design was really ahead of its time, and those Alfa logo embossed seats? Goddamn. Although, I imagine the maintenance is a real pain in the @$$ & Wallet. Got a couple of cars lined up this weekend, hopefully something fruitful turns up, else ill just end up with a Mustang Ecoboost hahahaha
 

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Mustang Ecoboost is a good choice, except the crash ratings are really omg wtf are you doing Ford.
 

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Was it a recent 308T? I know the previous gen was plagued, but havent seen a new gen 308 owner complain yet. Maybe im not lookin in the right places hahah.

Didnt know Renault supplies cars with Nissan engines now. Does this apply to non-RS models like the Clio GT?
Renault and Nissan are bed buddies. Like the Renault Fluence shares the same MR20 engine similar to the Nissan Sylphy.

My mech has an abandoned 308T parked in front of his shop. The owner kept visiting him for all sorts of different problems until the GB died. He told my mech to just scrap the car and he'll report it as stolen. So now it's there as spare parts. Anyone want the 308T rims?
 

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The T7 308T has alot of problems. But not for the last batch. The 2014 408T and 308T has ALOT less issues and some has no issues. The new T9 308T, i have no info as i dont follow with their news and updates anymore. Nice interior and looks the new 308T has. I just dont like the opposing rev and and speed meter needle.

Anyhow, money and time and emotions is yours. If you really like any of this "cold door" car, just go ahead. Most important is you have to like driving it even if it gives problems. Coz u will be spending alot of time in it.
 
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The T7 308T has alot of problems. But not for the last batch. The 2014 408T and 308T has ALOT less issues and some has no issues. The new T9 308T, i have no info as i dont follow with their news and updates anymore. Nice interior and looks the new 308T has. I just dont like the opposing rev and and speed meter needle.

Anyhow, money and time and emotions is yours. If you really like any of this "cold door" car, just go ahead. Most important is you have to like driving it even if it gives problems. Coz u will be spending alot of time in it.
After the first batch with so much problems most are scare to buy dy......
 

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After the first batch with so much problems most are scare to buy dy......
Yeah. True also. So it really depends on how much you like the car la. Like i said, get 2nd hand. a 2-3yrs old car will be cheaper by 40%-50% already. So not so heart pain lor......Hahahahaha....
 

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Yeah. True also. So it really depends on how much you like the car la. Like i said, get 2nd hand. a 2-3yrs old car will be cheaper by 40%-50% already. So not so heart pain lor......Hahahahaha....
But still some are already scare stiff, don't want the trouble always sending car to SC....lol
 

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The T7 308T has alot of problems. But not for the last batch. The 2014 408T and 308T has ALOT less issues and some has no issues. The new T9 308T, i have no info as i dont follow with their news and updates anymore. Nice interior and looks the new 308T has. I just dont like the opposing rev and and speed meter needle.

Anyhow, money and time and emotions is yours. If you really like any of this "cold door" car, just go ahead. Most important is you have to like driving it even if it gives problems. Coz u will be spending alot of time in it.
How to like driving it. Most of the time it’s in the SC. My friend have one of the first 6 speed models. He drives it hard. Touch wood no problem. But he says really cry no tears on maintaining it. Like the radiator prone to cracking and cost a bomb to change. And want to sell, no buyers.
 

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Talking about radiator, I got a friend on a 306. Radiator is plastic and got a slight crack. Called PUG SC and it cost RM1.6k and that was like many years ago. Mechanic tried epoxy the crack, it worked but the pressure went elsewhere and other areas started to leak and in the end had to changed eventually.
Then he tried to trade in for Camry at about 5 years old at that time, salesman asked if he had another car. Then he say got very old Honda SM4, salesman say he will take that rather than the PUG.....lol
 
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How to like driving it. Most of the time it’s in the SC. My friend have one of the first 6 speed models. He drives it hard. Touch wood no problem. But he says really cry no tears on maintaining it. Like the radiator prone to cracking and cost a bomb to change. And want to sell, no buyers.
When ever it is not in SC or when driving it to SC lor.......
 

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Some Renault nowadays like Fluence are actually running on Japanese DNA as it is using Nissan engine.
Crazy promos on the Fluence, friend who works at Renault said they got too many 2015 leftover units baking in the sun. Wish their Japanese DNA was on reliability :banghead:

When ever it is not in SC or when driving it to SC lor.......
Yes bro very lucky! Enjoy it, the frenchies really feel specially when you sit on the inside. Surprisingly gets alot of looks too!
 
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