It's time to let it go......

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The bigger the turbo, the more lag. And if it is mated with auto-box (which you can't rev to build boost to take off), it's worse.

I heard quite a few Airtrek owner either switching back to TD04 for drivability or some upgrading to 2.4L (more air to push the turbo) to avoid lag. For me, I just stayed at it is.

Yes, lag is so obvious that sometimes, I have no confident to cross road. Even if I floor the pedal, there's a momentarily delay before the car moves. Imagine if the on coming car is fast... really need to have good judgement.

The other thing is during traffic jam. When the car moves in front, you step the pedal softly, the car won't go. A huge slam will see a delay and by the time the car moves, some idiots cut in front of you and there also where boost suddenly kicks in. I cannot imagine how many times I almost 'kiss' the idiot in front.

Airtreks with Evo upgrades like mine are PERFECT for open roads. On highway driving, cruising at 180kph is a breeze. I am not boasting but it doesn't break sweat at all. Going to 200 mark is just tap on the pedal.

In stock TD04 form, it's a bit slow after 160kph. Alright, those are all history now for me. Hahaha...

 

[RENESIS VIII]

The bigger the turbo, the more lag. And if it is mated with auto-box (which you can't rev to build boost to take off), it's worse.

I heard quite a few Airtrek owner either switching back to TD04 for drivability or some upgrading to 2.4L (more air to push the turbo) to avoid lag. For me, I just stayed at it is.

Yes, lag is so obvious that sometimes, I have no confident to cross road. Even if I floor the pedal, there's a momentarily delay before the car moves. Imagine if the on coming car is fast... really need to have good judgement.

The other thing is during traffic jam. When the car moves in front, you step the pedal softly, the car won't go. A huge slam will see a delay and by the time the car moves, some idiots cut in front of you and there also where boost suddenly kicks in. I cannot imagine how many times I almost 'kiss' the idiot in front.

Airtreks with Evo upgrades like mine are PERFECT for open roads. On highway driving, cruising at 180kph is a breeze. I am not boasting but it doesn't break sweat at all. Going to 200 mark is just tap on the pedal.

In stock TD04 form, it's a bit slow after 160kph. Alright, those are all history now for me. Hahaha...

First of all, the turbo in Airtrek's 4G63T is different from those in Evo? I actually thought the 4G63T in Airtrek is very similar to the ones found in Evo VII, VIII and IX. Just that Airtrek had lower output.

About crossing the road part, I think AT and turbo really gives a lot of restrictions to the car during lower speeds. Never thought that could be a problem considering your car had 4WD equipped which supposedly aid in acceleration. In MT cars, I think it is easier to do it fast when you want to cross the road. Just time the RPM higher or release the clutch faster and off you go.

You mean during traffic jam, your Airtrek just won't move by itself even when you are in D, with brake pedal and hand brake released?

 

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First of all, the turbo in Airtrek's 4G63T is different from those in Evo? I actually thought the 4G63T in Airtrek is very similar to the ones found in Evo VII, VIII and IX. Just that Airtrek had lower output.

About crossing the road part, I think AT and turbo really gives a lot of restrictions to the car during lower speeds. Never thought that could be a problem considering your car had 4WD equipped which supposedly aid in acceleration. In MT cars, I think it is easier to do it fast when you want to cross the road. Just time the RPM higher or release the clutch faster and off you go.

You mean during traffic jam, your Airtrek just won't move by itself even when you are in D, with brake pedal and hand brake released?

Airtrek's engine is the same as Evo with internals entirely different altogether. Smaller turbo, lower CC injectors, lower cams, smaller throttle body, less durable internals, softer valve springs, non-steel LSD etc etc.... so the 40 hp difference has a huge story behind.

On D, Airtrek will move, what I mean if I want the response to move ahead to close the gap from the car in front, it's slow and sluggish in terms of response.

 

[vr2turbo]

So, during the lag period, the car will feel underpowered? As for engine response, it is still the same right? Unlike in AT where you need to wait 1 second or so before the engine started to respond after pressing the throttle?

If not mistaken, Trek engine is de-tuned Evo 7. As mentioned by Edward the bigger the turbo the more the lag because take more time to spool. The car is not under powered if you compare to another car but you feel it is because you will compare it with the boost on and off.....hhahhaha
AT is worst because after boost comes in power transferred to auto gb box need torque converter transfer the power to wheel. something like 2 times lag.....lol

 

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If not mistaken, Trek engine is de-tuned Evo 7. As mentioned by Edward the bigger the turbo the more the lag because take more time to spool. The car is not under powered if you compare to another car but you feel it is because you will compare it with the boost on and off.....hhahhaha
AT is worst because after boost comes in power transferred to auto gb box need torque converter transfer the power to wheel. something like 2 times lag.....lol

Well defined....

Airtrek is actually powerful compared to other street cars. But if compared to the performance league, it is entry level. That is why many of us just want to squeeze more out of it as we know it's easy. With almost infinite mods from Evo, you can't resist it... hehehe...

0-100 in 5.9 secs on D mode with a chassis weight of 1600kgs++, I won't complain

 

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Airtrek's engine is the same as Evo with internals entirely different altogether. Smaller turbo, lower CC injectors, lower cams, smaller throttle body, less durable internals, softer valve springs, non-steel LSD etc etc.... so the 40 hp difference has a huge story behind.

On D, Airtrek will move, what I mean if I want the response to move ahead to close the gap from the car in front, it's slow and sluggish in terms of response.

This reminds me of the old Mitsubishi RVR which uses a weaker version of the 4G63T and also the Lancer Ralliart which uses a detuned version of 4B11T from Evo X. Initially I thought the hardware differences are minimal but I din't know that so many parts are actually different. Thought it was more of a ECU tuning that makes the output lower.

So, controlling the Airtrek on lower speed is difficult? Since if you press too little on the throttle, the car responded slowly but when you press more, the car moves faster than what you wanted.

If not mistaken, Trek engine is de-tuned Evo 7. As mentioned by Edward the bigger the turbo the more the lag because take more time to spool. The car is not under powered if you compare to another car but you feel it is because you will compare it with the boost on and off.....hhahhaha
AT is worst because after boost comes in power transferred to auto gb box need torque converter transfer the power to wheel. something like 2 times lag.....lol

So, auto gearbox is the bottleneck for the 4G63T in Airtrek... Otherwise, the power could be utilized in a more efficient way. I guess that is why many manufacturers came up with semi auto or double clutch gearbox. To make an automated manual gearbox with clutch rather than sticking to torque converter due to the slow response and power sapping nature of torque converter auto box. But even with double clutch, I heard their response can be slow too in cases where the transmission software is not programmed properly.

Well defined....

Airtrek is actually powerful compared to other street cars. But if compared to the performance league, it is entry level. That is why many of us just want to squeeze more out of it as we know it's easy. With almost infinite mods from Evo, you can't resist it... hehehe...

0-100 in 5.9 secs on D mode with a chassis weight of 1600kgs++, I won't complain

5.9 seconds is very fast. If I am not mistaken, it is even faster than stock FD2R.

 

[vr2turbo]

This reminds me of the old Mitsubishi RVR which uses a weaker version of the 4G63T and also the Lancer Ralliart which uses a detuned version of 4B11T from Evo X. Initially I thought the hardware differences are minimal but I din't know that so many parts are actually different. Thought it was more of a ECU tuning that makes the output lower.

Many VRC members after married have family many changed to RVR, but some cannot tahan put in 4G63T engine....lol

 

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Yup, 5.9 secs is faster than stock FD2R.

If my engine setup is mated with manual tranny, I am sure it will be lot faster and fun to drive.

Well it's history now...

 

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Many VRC members after married have family many changed to RVR, but some cannot tahan put in 4G63T engine....lol

Racing MPV.

Yup, 5.9 secs is faster than stock FD2R.

If my engine setup is mated with manual tranny, I am sure it will be lot faster and fun to drive.

Well it's history now...

Is there any stock Airtrek turbo that comes with manual gearbox? Or they only come in auto?

 

[vr2turbo]

Racing MPV.



Is there any stock Airtrek turbo that comes with manual gearbox? Or they only come in auto?

Yah! some even convert 4WD.

I got a friend on NA Trek but auto......lol

 

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Yah! some even convert 4WD.

I got a friend on NA Trek but auto......lol

RVR not came with 4WD stock? Or only the highest spec 4G63T model is 4WD?

 

[vr2turbo]

Not sure as there are many models.....lol

 

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Is there any stock Airtrek turbo that comes with manual gearbox? Or they only come in auto?

Yes but it's Outlander in EU market. However it has only 200hp even though it's turbo. Same chassis, same engine but different frontal and rear (Outlander) with Air scoop.

 

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Yes but it's Outlander in EU market. However it has only 200hp even though it's turbo. Same chassis, same engine but different frontal and rear (Outlander) with Air scoop.

Heard before about Outlander but never seen it before here.

So, for those Malaysian Airtrek that wants to convert to manual, they need to get parts from Outlander?

 

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Heard before about Outlander but never seen it before here.

So, for those Malaysian Airtrek that wants to convert to manual, they need to get parts from Outlander?

There is Outlander in Malaysia but the non-turbo 2.4L Mivec automatic version which was produced in 2005-2006. It was more rare than Airtrek.

Most Airtrek owners that converted to manual use Evo gearbox rather than seeking for Outlander's. I think it is almost impossible to find here. However, I've seen a member here using RVR gearbox for his Airtrek.

 

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There is Outlander in Malaysia but the non-turbo 2.4L Mivec automatic version which was produced in 2005-2006. It was more rare than Airtrek.

Most Airtrek owners that converted to manual use Evo gearbox rather than seeking for Outlander's. I think it is almost impossible to find here. However, I've seen a member here using RVR gearbox for his Airtrek.

One year of production? I guess that makes it very rare.

Mechanical parts maybe can source from Evo but how about the interior parts that is exclusive to Airtrek? Like the gear console?

 

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Airtrek owner simply use the center gear console from Evo. However the gear stick will sit lower than Airtrek's original higher seat. So most of them will just install Evo Recaros into their treks....

 

[stutzedward]

Parted with my Airtrek for 2 months and 5 days now. Honestly, I don't really miss it much. However my wife misses the 'power' to overtake cars. Since I parted with my Airtrek, I noticed that it's getting lesser and lesser on the road. Where did all of them go to? Gone out of KL to other states? Hmm.. :)

 

[vr2turbo]

Same here, VR also getting less. Seldom see any on the road also.....lol

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Parted with my Airtrek for 2 months and 5 days now. Honestly, I don't really miss it much. However my wife misses the 'power' to overtake cars. Since I parted with my Airtrek, I noticed that it's getting lesser and lesser on the road. Where did all of them go to? Gone out of KL to other states? Hmm.. :)

Somehow for me, I started to notice more Airtrek lately. Last week inside my university, saw an Airtrek turbo driven by student.