Too much Negative Offset Wheels = Slight Wheel Vibration ?

[Mitevo7]

this is likely since he only sees the issue at quite high speeds.


what...? What is a nut space and 20 pieces of what? I'm confused. Show pics pls

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Something like this, my stock 318ci lug nut is M12, while the wheels itself is M14, i have to custom a lug nut spacer just to make sure the lug nut fit in the holes completely. Those spacers actually eliminated 90% of the vibration issue but my mechanic pre-amped me the tyres are too far out, almost stick out of the fender, so i will definitely feel some vibrations.

 

[lsm1991]

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Something like this, my stock 318ci lug nut is M12, while the wheels itself is M14, i have to custom a lug nut spacer just to make sure the lug nut fit in the holes completely. Those spacers actually eliminated 90% of the vibration issue but my mechanic pre-amped me the tyres are too far out, almost stick out of the fender, so i will definitely feel some vibrations.

ahh so its a spacer for the studs, makes sense.....

a centric ring would have been good, that is what actually centres the rim

 

[Mitevo7]

ahh so its a spacer for the studs, makes sense.....

a centric ring would have been good, that is what actually centres the rim

BMW doesn't have studs sticking out from the wheel hub, it uses nut to hold the wheels, so i think this is more like a lug nut spacer then stud, mine is totally custom make to cater my current wheels.

 

[alcyon]

Yes but when we tried with regular hub centric ring, the wheels couldn't fit. The difference between the wheel bore is only by 2 mm so we have to manually shave off the extra metal to fit the wheels in completely.

You shouldnt be shaving off, you should use a lathe. these need to be precise.

 

[Mitevo7]

You shouldnt be shaving off, you should use a lathe. these need to be precise.

It was done without my knowledge and approval, i am going to other tyre shop that specializes in wheels and look for the specific hub centric ring for my case. Before i suspect my suspension components, might want to check cheaper fixes first.

 

[alcyon]

It was done without my knowledge and approval, i am going to other tyre shop that specializes in wheels and look for the specific hub centric ring for my case. Before i suspect my suspension components, might want to check cheaper fixes first.

This is the scary part, these people are supposed to be professionals. This is why I prefer DIY, at least I know its done right. I feel very hard to trust these so called profesionals with their "bolehlah" "cukuplah" "apalumaulagilah" attitude.

 

[Mitevo7]

This is the scary part, these people are supposed to be professionals. This is why I prefer DIY, at least I know its done right. I feel very hard to trust these so called profesionals with their "bolehlah" "cukuplah" "apalumaulagilah" attitude.

Well he kept the other unshaved ring for just in case, may be i should put that up and forcefully mount it on. Have to put some grease first before putting it up.

 

[lsm1991]

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Something like this, my stock 318ci lug nut is M12, while the wheels itself is M14, i have to custom a lug nut spacer just to make sure the lug nut fit in the holes completely. Those spacers actually eliminated 90% of the vibration issue but my mechanic pre-amped me the tyres are too far out, almost stick out of the fender, so i will definitely feel some vibrations.

i think they are generally called 'stud spacers', stud is the extended bit, doesnt matter if its on the hub or bolt (the studs can just be screwed off the hub btw)

 

[marsha1l_v6]

Dear All,

A Wheel hub is still using stock and standard which sits quite inside the fender. Current wheels are OEM 17" with ET37 offset.

OEM e46 bmw rim or? do u face any issue before you change wheel/put spacer?

 

[Mitevo7]

OEM e46 bmw rim or? do u face any issue before you change wheel/put spacer?

It looks like BMW OEM 166 style rim, but in 17 inch size. Previously before conversion was on BMW OEM 70 style with the wheels sit nicely within the arch and no vibration issues. The BMW OEM 166 supposing has ET28 offset which pushes the tyres further out from the wheel hub.

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

Dear All,

As mentioned above, i want to know the whether too much negative offset in OEM wheels can cause tire vibrations. Current car is an E46 318ci with stock undercarriage. Wheel hub is still using stock and standard which sits quite inside the fender. Current wheels are OEM 17" with ET37 offset. My mechanic already gave me a preamp that i will experience slight vibration and on-wheel balancing can only reduce it but not cure it completely. As he said, i did feel slight vibrations randomly at any speed depending on road conditions.

Should i change back to wheels within my 318ci spec or there's something wrong with my car ? For guys who didn't know my car, its running on 1JZGTE engine with custom driveshaft using Toyota Crown's and E46 flange to rear axle with 3.46 differential.

Yes but when we tried with regular hub centric ring, the wheels couldn't fit. The difference between the wheel bore is only by 2 mm so we have to manually shave off the extra metal to fit the wheels in completely.

there goes your answer...

there is bullshit reason wrong wheel offset = vibrate... nope.. dont ever believe that...


the reason wheel vibrate:
-damaged wheel (bent/wobble)
-damaged tyre (wire inside broken/out of balance)
-damaged wheel bearing
-wrong hubcentric fitment hub area to fit...making it even worse....dont pour money somewhere else... settle this properly, then the vibration issue will be gone for good

 

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Something like this, my stock 318ci lug nut is M12, while the wheels itself is M14, i have to custom a lug nut spacer just to make sure the lug nut fit in the holes completely. Those spacers actually eliminated 90% of the vibration issue but my mechanic pre-amped me the tyres are too far out, almost stick out of the fender, so i will definitely feel some vibrations.

u really need hubcentric

either like this to convert from bolt in M12 screw into M14 stud to fix the wheel

or use 1 big center cone to keep the wheel center in the hub along with those "m12 to m14 lugnut bushing"

 

[Mitevo7]

there goes your answer...

there is bullshit reason wrong wheel offset = vibrate... nope.. dont ever believe that...


the reason wheel vibrate:
-damaged wheel (bent/wobble)
-damaged tyre (wire inside broken/out of balance)
-damaged wheel bearing
-wrong hubcentric fitment hub area to fit...making it even worse....dont pour money somewhere else... settle this properly, then the vibration issue will be gone for good

My issue is there's no hub centric ring suitable for either the car or rim. The vibrations happened on 160-180 km/h (electronic limited)

I am currently loaning a properly spec rim to fit on the E46 and test it again. High chances are the vibrations will go away. Hope for the best.

 

[Mitevo7]

u really need hubcentric

either like this to convert from bolt in M12 screw into M14 stud to fix the wheel

or use 1 big center cone to keep the wheel center in the hub along with those "m12 to m14 lugnut bushing"

This is also my consideration, however, my wheels are already very far out and align with fender, if further away from the car body and i will need wide body kit

 

[Izso]

This is also my consideration, however, my wheels are already very far out and align with fender, if further away from the car body and i will need wide body kit

I think you can get the center cone for your rim.

 

[lsm1991]

or last resort... look for some proper fitting rims

 

[Mitevo7]

I think you can get the center cone for your rim.

And also the nut size ... its's incorrect. Better change the damn rim.

 

[Mitevo7]

or last resort... look for some proper fitting rims

I am doing this now, traded rims and tyre for another set of 18' rims and tyres. I am lucky enough to get it loan first before purchasing. Will be fitting it this month, wish me luck.

 

[vr2turbo]

I think you can get the center cone for your rim.

Yup, should be able to. Mine made of aluminum. If no size, the tyre shop can measure and get machine shop to machine a set for him. Earlier days I did that, nowadays most are ready made....

 

[Mitevo7]

Yup, should be able to. Mine made of aluminum. If no size, the tyre shop can measure and get machine shop to machine a set for him. Earlier days I did that, nowadays most are ready made....

Even 1.5 mm diameter hub centric ring can be made ?