Nissan Cefiro A32 3.0 Fuel Consumption - Advice Needed
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sychung said:
Hi Lester,
I understand you have facing the High on FC on your Cefiro. 3.0L. All the advice to you from those members are correct. Likes tyre pressure, oil change, filter change, what type of oil grade you using & etc. I am not expert but I have my experience on this. Firstly, because your car a little bit ageing. If not mistaken year 1997.right ! The engine performance definately drop a bit. Have you send your car for tuning. The fuel & air mixture ratio may be out. If not, I suggest your car to the workshop and do fine tuning on engine. I am sure it will help. !
Also, it your engine consume more fuel is because your engine less on power, thus you will facing problem like fuel acceleration problem, hill climbing difficuties, overtaking problem, sometimes you might feel your engine temperature was quite high due to less power on engine. Because you need to push your engine into maximum in order to do the task as I mentioned.
I do not know whether you hear K2N Safety Power System. I have install this product on my Nissan X-Rail 2.0L. I also faced same problem as you. incured high on FC even though the car only 2 years old. The K2N able to upgrade engine torque power up to 20%. Now after my X-Rail 2.0L upgraded and power on than X-Rail 2.5L. Even my FC reduce very much.
Its up to you.If you want to know more about it , please mail at my add. [email protected] . (Jeffrey).
jeff...honestly speaking...r u reseller for K2N???Jeffrey Lee said:
can demo 1st then buy or not??
Hello Mr Ong,ongteckweng said:jeff...honestly speaking...r u reseller for K2N???
can demo 1st then buy or not??
Honestly to answer you, yes!. I am A Manager over there, we are the International Sole Distributor.
If you interested in try it, I can made arrangement for you to test it. Please let me know why type of car you drive and I can prepare the necessary for you. The Installation center located at : No 5, Jalan PJU 3/46, Sunway Damansara, PJ ( Behind Ikea).
After test, if not satisfy with the product, we will fix back the original parts with out having you pay anything. Even If you satisfy with the product but not intend to install now, nevermind, at least you know what type of power really K2N Safety Power System can produce.
Trust me, You will find it difficult to be believe will come true.
Regards,
Jeff
p/s : I will post fews pieces photo for your viewing.
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Hi defcon1,defcon1 said:What does it do, exactly? A fuel conditioner? And how much would fitting on a ceffy cost us? Group purchase discount perhaps? After testing by a member of the club and his testimony, of course...
The K2N Safety Power System very easy to install. Just clipped on the fuel hose right before it enters to carburettor / fuel injection. Just take about less than 60 minutes. You can get the result "INSTANTLY". Well the K2N able purify & provide oxygen into fuel thus will boost up the combustion to 100%.
You can test on the : 1) Acceleration Power, 2) Hill climbing , 3) Overtaking, 4) Engine noise, 5) exhaust emmission smell, 6) Engine torque power & etc.
The price start from RM650.00 onwards. Its depend on how great the power you want to get. We have several sizes. As I mention earlier to MR Ong. I can made arrangement for you guys to install it & test run. Or I will let you to test drive on our company car before install it. The car likes Nissan X-Rail 2.0L & Honda Accord 2.0L Vtech.-i.
Sifu, as they call you ,right!. I can assure you after you tested it , you will be amaze with the high power on your car which you never get before. Believe me !. I'm not talk big of the product. You can test by yourself, the result will tell you about the true fact.
I also mentioned. " Free Testing Available". Meaning ,after you test & find out the product really perform but you decide to install later also nevermind. At least you know where to get the powerful product in future.
Talking about group discount. ! Please come to find out the product perfomance first. then we discuss further. If I give you 100% discount but the product doesn't work, no point right !.:regular_smile:
Sifu, may be you can arrange with few members to come to our Installation Center to get a feel on it . Dont miss the chance to get the powerful product.
Till then, decision is yours.!
Thanks & Regards.
Jeff
p/s : Email me or call me to made arrangement .:phone:
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Tempting...I have to do a bit of research first into the material you are using...
I doubt that it adds O2...maybe loosen up and allign the individual hydrocarbon chains to promote combustion, maybe adding some trace elements to increase burn time...but let's see... :)
Your offer to test first then pay is much appreciated, Jeff. I WILL take you up on the offer. Will let you know when I can be available...
I doubt that it adds O2...maybe loosen up and allign the individual hydrocarbon chains to promote combustion, maybe adding some trace elements to increase burn time...but let's see... :)
Your offer to test first then pay is much appreciated, Jeff. I WILL take you up on the offer. Will let you know when I can be available...
Hi defcon1,defcon1 said:Tempting...I have to do a bit of research first into the material you are using...
I doubt that it adds O2...maybe loosen up and allign the individual hydrocarbon chains to promote combustion, maybe adding some trace elements to increase burn time...but let's see... :)
Your offer to test first then pay is much appreciated, Jeff. I WILL take you up on the offer. Will let you know when I can be available...
I glad you intrested to try out. I appreciate it. You can do the research first . Its OK. ! I can guarantee you that you will not waste on your time when you come over. You will definately amaze & excited about the power you get on your car.
defcon1 !. You can mark my words " NO POWER & NO MONEY". Meaning is , If you didn't get the power on your engine , you no need to pay anything. ok! Fair Enough. !
Do call me when you plan to come .
My H/P : +6012-3086382.
Jeffrey Lee said:
Just wonder how you calculate the increasing of torque and horsepower ? dyno test ?
In fact the K2N Safety Power System already tested at University Malaya. And we have the certificate to attest with the product. Not only that, the product also going the dyno test which we equiped the K2N Safety Power onto the Mitsubishi Storm 2.5 D 4x4 Intercooler.A329878 said:
Believe me, the dyno test & UM test not so important. The practical test is the most important. The report only can see but if you go for real pratical test, then you will feel it by yourself.
As I mentioned, we will provide the "Free Testing" on the product. Infact I can let you to test drive on our company car. Like Nissan X-Rail 2.0L. You will be amaze with the power that the K2N Safety Power System can produce. Even now the X-Rail 2.5L cannot fight with the power with X-Rail 2.0L .
I am very confident to say that, you cannot find others product which can produce the super power onto your car.!!!:shades_smile:
jeff...i think butt feel n dyno test are 2 diff cases. both serve a purpose. if dyno is not important...why would ppl send thousand of ringgit to tune their rides n send for dyno? coz they wanna if they the mods work or not. thats the best indication...Jeffrey Lee said:
most of the aftermarket mods say they increase power...save fuel...better aceeleration and etc etc...but most never work. its the human brain say, "Ahh, i have spent some much money on it. IT SHOULD WORK!"
but anyway, lets not jump into conclusion. we shall let sifu deffy test it and come back with the report. if it pass with flyin colours, i am sure more feilos will go for it. cheers
Hi Mr Ongteckweng,ongteckweng said:
I agree as what you said. Thanks for your comment anyway. Since you already spent so much money on the modifications. I should invite you and Sifu to come along. I will install 1 set to you & 1 set to Sifu. Then both of you & I go for a test drive. !! You will find out all those money you already spent can't compare with it. Trust me on that. !!.
As you said , dont't jump to conclusion first. After the test, if the K2N Safety Power System do not produce the super power onto your car. Then you can made your judgement on it, OK!
Lets hear from you guys. I should say again " NO POWER or NO MONEY". Meaning is, If K2N didn't perform then no need singles cent involve. ! OK.:regular_smile:
Thanks & Regards.
Jeff
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...ehemm...cough...cough...gasp...wheeze.... (sifu clearing throat)... 
Actually, all you guys are neither right nor wrong...
Dyno testing is the absolute method of determining if more or less power or torque is produced by an engine. BUT Jeffrey is right in the sense that practical performance is sometimes more important. Because dyno tests are done under controlled conditions, where many parameters are constant. In practical applications, ALL parameters are constantly changing, hence, the question here should be,"Can the K2N system accomodate these variables?"
Ong is also right to say that a lot of people get conned by all sorts of improvement systems with negligible effect, but people are so convinced by the pure marketing of the product...something I know well as my marketing, or "structured bs" as I call it has been my career for a long time (a side activity since everyone knows that my primary activity in life is playing with engines...)
But, Jeffrey has made the best and most honest offer yet ever made to this club, that is..."NO POWER or NO MONEY". On the basis of his position, and the conviction with which he writes, I would argue to give him and his product a fair hearing and review.
I have many reasons for this. The most important being that whilst the internal combustion engine has been around for close to a century now, we hardly understand it. Companies have researched making the hardware more and more efficient by different means. Petroleum companies will swear by their additive formulas, researching into different ways to modify the burn rate, burn efficiency, and flame front by the addition of other chemicals.
But lately, people have been saying that there are other ways to improve fuel i.e. magnets, fuel catalysts, etc. Whilst I hardly understand (at this time) how these things work, there is enough evidence to merit some investigation.
These products work on the theory that fuel can be "modified" on a molecular level. Magnets are supposed to allign the hydrocarbon chains in such a way as to improve combustion efficiency i.e. the simple combination of O2 with fuel (oxidation) and the breaking of the native carbon to carbon bonding. This is clearly possible. Imagine setting fire to a ball of thread...as opposed to setting fire to a long strand of thread. Clearly, the ball will not burn, nor release it's energy as cleanly as a length of thread.
"Catalysts" have different ways of working. The problem here is that the "marketeers" tend to use scientific words as it suits them and not to any real degree of accuracy. A catalyst is a material that speeds up chemical reactions by "bridging" but in itself is not affected by the reaction that it affects. But, marketeers tend to call EVERYTHING a catalyst. Some magnet applications are even called catalysts...just sheer marketing bs. To be a true catalyst, the material has to be present in the middle of the chemical reaction.
This product, like many products like it, is basically a "conditioner". They affect the fuel before it reaches the combustion chamber. Whether by allignment of hydrocarbon chains (perfectly possible) or by the addition of some material into the fuel (also possible). I will need to look at the technology, and see the test results before I can even venture a guess as to how it works.
So...next steps. I'll give Jeffrey a call and see what develops...
Actually, all you guys are neither right nor wrong...
Dyno testing is the absolute method of determining if more or less power or torque is produced by an engine. BUT Jeffrey is right in the sense that practical performance is sometimes more important. Because dyno tests are done under controlled conditions, where many parameters are constant. In practical applications, ALL parameters are constantly changing, hence, the question here should be,"Can the K2N system accomodate these variables?"
Ong is also right to say that a lot of people get conned by all sorts of improvement systems with negligible effect, but people are so convinced by the pure marketing of the product...something I know well as my marketing, or "structured bs" as I call it has been my career for a long time (a side activity since everyone knows that my primary activity in life is playing with engines...
)But, Jeffrey has made the best and most honest offer yet ever made to this club, that is..."NO POWER or NO MONEY". On the basis of his position, and the conviction with which he writes, I would argue to give him and his product a fair hearing and review.
I have many reasons for this. The most important being that whilst the internal combustion engine has been around for close to a century now, we hardly understand it. Companies have researched making the hardware more and more efficient by different means. Petroleum companies will swear by their additive formulas, researching into different ways to modify the burn rate, burn efficiency, and flame front by the addition of other chemicals.
But lately, people have been saying that there are other ways to improve fuel i.e. magnets, fuel catalysts, etc. Whilst I hardly understand (at this time) how these things work, there is enough evidence to merit some investigation.
These products work on the theory that fuel can be "modified" on a molecular level. Magnets are supposed to allign the hydrocarbon chains in such a way as to improve combustion efficiency i.e. the simple combination of O2 with fuel (oxidation) and the breaking of the native carbon to carbon bonding. This is clearly possible. Imagine setting fire to a ball of thread...as opposed to setting fire to a long strand of thread. Clearly, the ball will not burn, nor release it's energy as cleanly as a length of thread.
"Catalysts" have different ways of working. The problem here is that the "marketeers" tend to use scientific words as it suits them and not to any real degree of accuracy. A catalyst is a material that speeds up chemical reactions by "bridging" but in itself is not affected by the reaction that it affects. But, marketeers tend to call EVERYTHING a catalyst. Some magnet applications are even called catalysts...just sheer marketing bs. To be a true catalyst, the material has to be present in the middle of the chemical reaction.
This product, like many products like it, is basically a "conditioner". They affect the fuel before it reaches the combustion chamber. Whether by allignment of hydrocarbon chains (perfectly possible) or by the addition of some material into the fuel (also possible). I will need to look at the technology, and see the test results before I can even venture a guess as to how it works.
So...next steps. I'll give Jeffrey a call and see what develops...
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Hi deffcon1 or Sifu,defcon1 said:...ehemm...cough...cough...gasp...wheeze.... (sifu clearing throat)...
Actually, all you guys are neither right nor wrong...
Dyno testing is the absolute method of determining if more or less power or torque is produced by an engine. BUT Jeffrey is right in the sense that practical performance is sometimes more important. Because dyno tests are done under controlled conditions, where many parameters are constant. In practical applications, ALL parameters are constantly changing, hence, the question here should be,"Can the K2N system accomodate these variables?"
Ong is also right to say that a lot of people get conned by all sorts of improvement systems with negligible effect, but people are so convinced by the pure marketing of the product...something I know well as my marketing, or "structured bs" as I call it has been my career for a long time (a side activity since everyone knows that my primary activity in life is playing with engines...
But, Jeffrey has made the best and most honest offer yet ever made to this club, that is..."NO POWER or NO MONEY". On the basis of his position, and the conviction with which he writes, I would argue to give him and his product a fair hearing and review.
I have many reasons for this. The most important being that whilst the internal combustion engine has been around for close to a century now, we hardly understand it. Companies have researched making the hardware more and more efficient by different means. Petroleum companies will swear by their additive formulas, researching into different ways to modify the burn rate, burn efficiency, and flame front by the addition of other chemicals.
But lately, people have been saying that there are other ways to improve fuel i.e. magnets, fuel catalysts, etc. Whilst I hardly understand (at this time) how these things work, there is enough evidence to merit some investigation.
These products work on the theory that fuel can be "modified" on a molecular level. Magnets are supposed to allign the hydrocarbon chains in such a way as to improve combustion efficiency i.e. the simple combination of O2 with fuel (oxidation) and the breaking of the native carbon to carbon bonding. This is clearly possible. Imagine setting fire to a ball of thread...as opposed to setting fire to a long strand of thread. Clearly, the ball will not burn, nor release it's energy as cleanly as a length of thread.
"Catalysts" have different ways of working. The problem here is that the "marketeers" tend to use scientific words as it suits them and not to any real degree of accuracy. A catalyst is a material that speeds up chemical reactions by "bridging" but in itself is not affected by the reaction that it affects. But, marketeers tend to call EVERYTHING a catalyst. Some magnet applications are even called catalysts...just sheer marketing bs. To be a true catalyst, the material has to be present in the middle of the chemical reaction.
This product, like many products like it, is basically a "conditioner". They affect the fuel before it reaches the combustion chamber. Whether by allignment of hydrocarbon chains (perfectly possible) or by the addition of some material into the fuel (also possible). I will need to look at the technology, and see the test results before I can even venture a guess as to how it works.
So...next steps. I'll give Jeffrey a call and see what develops...
Thanks for your call anyway.And also your lenghty explaination regarding the engine operation & fuel molecules changed & etc. I am very much appreciated it.!!!
Till then, to see you soon & Ong also. Please let me know the date & time when you guys will come over. At least one day earlier. Ok!.
I will be able to show it to you & how great power can K2N Safety Power System be produce.!!!
Thanks for your call anyway.! I will not let you down on your confident. OK!:shades_smile:
Regards,
Jeff
Hello Mr OngTeckWeng & Sifu...!:shades_smile:
Just drop by to whishing you guys "HAPPY NEW YEAR"...May the coming year will bring more success & happiness.
Oh..ya..! Almost forgot..! How about the plan on "Test Power" on the K2N Safety Power System.!!!
Any planning.. please ring me....!! :phone: Okay.
Thx
Jeff
Just drop by to whishing you guys "HAPPY NEW YEAR"...May the coming year will bring more success & happiness.
Oh..ya..! Almost forgot..! How about the plan on "Test Power" on the K2N Safety Power System.!!!
Any planning.. please ring me....!! :phone: Okay.
Thx
Jeff
I can arrange Dyno session at RS Impressive.
we can all do one round of Dyno, then do the before & after comparing.
If the K2N can't work, we put the RM 650 and get fuel regulator or upgrade our Fuel Pump instead! hhhh
we can all do one round of Dyno, then do the before & after comparing.
If the K2N can't work, we put the RM 650 and get fuel regulator or upgrade our Fuel Pump instead! hhhh
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