evo9 vs fd2 vs golf gti mk6

[elsm80]

Forget about the Golf, it does all things pretty well but nothing exceptionally well. That's its biggest strength and ultimately its flaw.

I've driven a Golf, MK whatever with whatever GTi mods and found the car horribly soulless. It does have a nice exhaust note due to the DSG upshifts but besides that "OMG! it was boring."

It pretty decent through the bends and even on the straights but when asked what I thought about it. The first thing that came to mind was "Boy! I did not know LMFAO had so much bass in the song" or "Oh! what nice dials you have"

I was left with no impression of the car as the owner looked at me expectantly. I did whatever I could to look enthusiastic and told him, " Interior damned nice wei!"

The drive was so-so, handling was so-so, interior was typically german built, pricing also not bad la.

Nett nett = So-so car = Why would you spend 200k to feel so-so?

I'd rather spend it on an FD2R, which would rattle my teeth to powder but at least leave me smiling while I go get dentures.

OR even the RICE AH BENG MAX POWER 4WD TURBO FAST AND FURIOUS Evo 9, at least it'll corner your face off and have those Ah Lians shake their booty for ya.

Nett nett = For 200k = You are off better getting something that represents a purity of purpose.

Btw, a Scirroco or however you spell it, is an even bigger disaster. Its like a mutated Satria that came back from the grave but pumped up by Arnie's genes.

 

[feezdya]

Forget about the Golf, it does all things pretty well but nothing exceptionally well. That's its biggest strength and ultimately its flaw.

I've driven a Golf, MK whatever with whatever GTi mods and found the car horribly soulless. It does have a nice exhaust note due to the DSG upshifts but besides that "OMG! it was boring."

It pretty decent through the bends and even on the straights but when asked what I thought about it. The first thing that came to mind was "Boy! I did not know LMFAO had so much bass in the song" or "Oh! what nice dials you have"

I was left with no impression of the car as the owner looked at me expectantly. I did whatever I could to look enthusiastic and told him, " Interior damned nice wei!"

The drive was so-so, handling was so-so, interior was typically german built, pricing also not bad la.

Nett nett = So-so car = Why would you spend 200k to feel so-so?

I'd rather spend it on an FD2R, which would rattle my teeth to powder but at least leave me smiling while I go get dentures.

OR even the RICE AH BENG MAX POWER 4WD TURBO FAST AND FURIOUS Evo 9, at least it'll corner your face off and have those Ah Lians shake their booty for ya.

Nett nett = For 200k = You are off better getting something that represents a purity of purpose.

Btw, a Scirroco or however you spell it, is an even bigger disaster. Its like a mutated Satria that came back from the grave but pumped up by Arnie's genes.

bro do you own Golf MK5/6? or you just test drive only?

 

[ixeo]

Forget about the Golf, it does all things pretty well but nothing exceptionally well. That's its biggest strength and ultimately its flaw.

i disagree.. between these 3..the Golf does creature comfort and lousy drivers extremely well.
it'll be the most comfortable among the 3, and it'll also accomodate the lousiest driver.

in a Type R the lousy driver won't be able to keep the car in the power band around the corner, with the Evo the lousy driver probably wrap the Evo around the tree.

disclaimer: I'm a lousy driver, the DSG in the Golf GTi Mk5 rocks. I just need to control steering and brake+accel.

 

[deacon]

elsm80 has a very harsh take on the Golf, but it's hard not to see it his way if you had to get down to the finer details. In its defence, with the suspension set to track, or whatever it is, it was quite a rough ride, felt duly sporty.

Maybe that's why they made the Golf and Scirocco R. Inject some soul?

Oh and i disagree with elsm80 on the Scirocco, i love the shape, especially in black with ABT 19 inch rims = sex.

 

[sti-yookuza]

more details would help,

Which do you prefer in preferential order:

• Daily driven or weekend drives
• manual or automatic
• Highways or Hill roads or Circuit
• Huge Power, More than stock or stock

well mainly the car will be driven during the weekends not as often as parking is kinda expensive in hong kong. i would prefer manual. in hong kong roads r pretty stiff and narrow here. power wise maybe a lil more than stock.. highly modded cars in hong kong is like a po^po attractor...hahahaa....

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elsm80 has a very harsh take on the Golf, but it's hard not to see it his way if you had to get down to the finer details. In its defence, with the suspension set to track, or whatever it is, it was quite a rough ride, felt duly sporty.

Maybe that's why they made the Golf and Scirocco R. Inject some soul?

Oh and i disagree with elsm80 on the Scirocco, i love the shape, especially in black with ABT 19 inch rims = sex.

i have seen a really nice scirocco here in hong kong before...met grey...19`s .....fullbodykit...super loud exhaust...fully tinted...it was sexy...n the owner is a korean lady...i use to hav the picture in my phone...got drunk 1 day and lost it...damnnnn...

 

[deacon]

Was the Korean lady sexy too? Cos that's what i like to call a "double sexy", when just one "sexy" isn't enough.

 

[sti-yookuza]

Was the Korean lady sexy too? Cos that's what i like to call a "double sexy", when just one "sexy" isn't enough.

hahaha....the lady was a frd`s frd....errr...depends lar bro...diff ppl diff taste...typical korean girl look i would say...i remmember she like 19 or 20 bck then...this was 1 year ago..

 

[deacon]

Noice! Double sexy ftw!

 

[elsm80]

bro do you own Golf MK5/6? or you just test drive only?

bro, errr....I'm not rich enough to buy cars without test driving. Sorry.

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i disagree.. between these 3..the Golf does creature comfort and lousy drivers extremely well.
it'll be the most comfortable among the 3, and it'll also accomodate the lousiest driver.

in a Type R the lousy driver won't be able to keep the car in the power band around the corner, with the Evo the lousy driver probably wrap the Evo around the tree.

disclaimer: I'm a lousy driver, the DSG in the Golf GTi Mk5 rocks. I just need to control steering and brake+accel.

That's not what the evidence seem to point towards.

Just ask the R35 GTR owner (whose car got burnt to a crisp) who got side swiped by an irreverent GTi.

More like, the more forgiving the car; the more chances a lousy driver would take. THUS the more dangerous that car becomes.

Just logical deduction, no need to get feisty after this k.

 

[ixeo]

bro, errr....I'm not rich enough to buy cars without test driving. Sorry.

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That's not what the evidence seem to point towards.

Just ask the R35 GTR owner (whose car got burnt to a crisp) who got side swiped by an irreverent GTi.

More like, the more forgiving the car; the more chances a lousy driver would take. THUS the more dangerous that car becomes.

Just logical deduction, no need to get feisty after this k.

I am clueless as to what happened as I don't know the full story, for all you know could have been the R35 GTR owner was the one at fault. no idea. if you know the entire story for a fact do share. i am a curious one.

modern cars are becoming more forgiving, traction control, abs, ebd, radars and what not. so those cars become more dangerous by your logic? Volvo, Mercedes, BMW, VW.. they are all becoming more forgiving and compensating for lousy driving. so all of it is getting more dangerous and we are going backwards?

so let me get this right, basically you are saying a lousy driver will go faster and will be less dangerous in the FD2R and EVO against the VW?

personally I will bet the EVO will be the first to wrap around a tree cause the lousy driver will think he is driving an EVO and he is KING OF THE ROAD..and take his chances. I drove an Evo 8 once and masuk salah gear, lucky never letup.. If I had that car longer I would have wrapped myself around a tree. true story. hahaha.. I thought I was king then. cabutz

EDIT: I did hear about the VW open day @ Sepang and a lousy driver managed to glue the Scirocco against the barrier. I ain't saying it's safer, just that relatively when compared to the FD2R and EVO it'll take more stupidity and lousiness to overcome the car's compensation to avoid wrapping itself on a tree.

 

[sti-yookuza]

well use to drive a sti ver8...i get wat u mean...well i think..sometimes we as humans we like to push our boundaries way over the limit...tat is when shit happens...i wrapped my sti into a divider...arrested..had my blood check for drugs and alcohol..attended court...paid a hefty fine for damaging public property...hahaha...tat was a lesson well learnt...well i guess...i wouldnt do what i use to do wit my car now...learned my lesson...hence this discussion on which car to get...lets get bck to the topic guys...thanks for the info

 

[Ernest]

I thinks that fd2r looks the best while golf gti is the most comfort and easy driven, but comes with good performance too. The DSG has a smooth shifting. But since the thread starter wanted a manual, i suggest fd2r.

 

[Tom]

well mainly the car will be driven during the weekends not as often as parking is kinda expensive in hong kong. i would prefer manual. in hong kong roads r pretty stiff and narrow here. power wise maybe a lil more than stock.. highly modded cars in hong kong is like a po^po attractor...hahahaa....

If a fun manual weekend car is what you're looking for, i'd recommend the FD2R. Out of the box, it is probably the funnest car of the 3. The FD2R's got a good suspension setup, has 8000rpm to play with, shifts through the gears really well, gear ratios suited for city and hill roads. It's not going to cruise well on highways especially not without you wanting the invisible 7th gear, but Hong Kong isn't exactly big and draped with long distance roads anyway. If my impression of HK is similar to Singapore, i'd say the FD2R is a perfect weapon for you.

though you may want to consider road conditions and if your spouse is comfortable with such discomforts.

try borrowing one for a couple of days to judge.

The MK6 GTI is a great car, DSG is great, handles well especially with the EDC and XDS built in. but like elms80 and some says, it is also its biggest drawback for picky drivers. Great daily pocket rocket, yes. Inspiring, maybe not.

 

[mizunori77]

stupidity is just plain stupidity... it has got nothing to do with the car...

don't blame the car as it is people who often drive beyond their capabilities...

a dumbass driver will kill himself and other road users whether he is driving an evo or a civic or a golf or a trolley cart...

going back on topic, if it is going to be a weekend car with just a little more juice than standard, all 3 cars fit into your preference.

however, i have another question. since its going to be a weekend car, why not go for a 2-door car instead?

 

[Tom]

Here's an interesting picture of the 3 choices. but a few generations behind :)

 

[kimoka]

Type R and comfort in the same sentence? :P

Mk6 gets my vote :D

 

[elsm80]

Oh, I smell a few Golf heads in here...

Look no offense taken please. I, personally just have an issue with cars which are a result of gimmicky marketing ploys.

The VW GTi Mk 1 was legendary because it combined a revvy engine with a nippy chassis. It made for fun, cheap and reliable motoring.

Subsequent GTi/Golfs were pig ugly and grew in weight with each evolution, the entire spirit of what made the MK1 great was thus lost.

A small amount of that essence found itself in the Mk5 and possibly, Mk6. This is a good thing but this is just because Mk2,3 and 4 were pigs.

Compare its drive and aggression against the Ford Focus RS. If you're a motorhead, you'll immediately get what i'm talking about.

People who talk about comfort/economy should not bother with any car remotely to do with performance. You are wasting your time and more importantly the time of others when you ask fundamentally flawed and "I'm thinking about...." kinda questions.

 

[redridinghood86]

VW Golf GTi MK1 is built with the passion for driving, light weight, no extra safety GIZMOs, great handling, looks decently good and lots more. I am a fan.

MK5, 6 are good cars from what I heard, but mainly because it's German and it has the ever wonderful DSG gearbox and those reviews/articles, are from the general public(friends who aren't really driving enthusiasts), journalists and sponsored drivers on facebooks/magazines/internet. Drove it once during a test drive, it did not attract me to get one, bear in mind that I am an owner of an FD2R for a year.

Reason being, it is no longer the Golf GTi that I used to love, it deviates too far from the original rabbit. Twin clutch gearboxes are great, when I drove it, perhaps I had expected it to be too responsive, the slight lag put me off a bit. Taking corners, they aren't bad at it, but it will be an insult to compare it to the Type R's, no f*cking where near. Engine was good and that's the only thing that impressed me, however, it doesn't differ much from the high revving K20A, perhaps only a little. And for that kind of price, I expect better brakes, but they decided to put the money into those GIZMOS. These few factors made me think, this is no longer a car for driving pleasure, no longer a car where only real drivers love, this is a car that VW wants to sell, "screw those passionate drivers, we wanna sell cars to the general public"

I know it's harsh, but that's my exact opinion. I like the car, but not as a track/weekend rider, it's a perfect daily driver, however, I can live with the FD2R so there's no more selling point.

Just to point out, the safety features are good, but why do you want to bring it beyond its capabilities on the street? Even a car with electronics as good as a GTR will not help you if you
take turn 9 at 200KPH, you will still crash into the barrier.

Just my 5 cents

 

[ACQ2305]

If im rich..MK6 - GF / Wife
Evo HP king - Me
FD2R - everyday car..Don't mind the "harsh" ride..i can live wit it..I think..
hahahaha..

 

[deacon]

People who talk about comfort/economy should not bother with any car remotely to do with performance. You are wasting your time and more importantly the time of others when you ask fundamentally flawed and "I'm thinking about...." kinda questions.

Though i've not owned many cars in my life i believe you're wrong about taking into consideration the option of comfort and economy within the confines of a performance car.

A performance car doesn't just exist to tear up the track. In this case the cars mentioned here are more sport compacts than anything else. Having comfort and reliability should be an integral part of each car, after all, all 3 were initially to be daily drivers.

Granted the FD2R isn't very comfortable in terms of ride quality but the interior trim isn't exactly F40 spartan style.

What these cars attempt to do is bridge the gap between the casual car enthusiast and the absolute nutter that finds a race track on all pieces of tarmac.

Asking a fundamentally flawed question can lead to a number of interesting arguments as well as insights about people. But it is true, threads like these aren't always the most fun to read, as a lot of people just gives two line answers, but for those who care to give semi-detailed accounts of their experiences in either owning, test driving, or personal opinion on 1 of the 3 cars mentioned, it would almost be worth the time and effort spent to read.