changes silvertop (AFM sensor) to blacktop (MAP sensor)

[feipepe]

hi bro,
currently i just transparent my seg to silvertop engine.before i purchase swap engine, some of friends told me that silvertop parts like block and head piston....and other part on silvertop are more stiffness and harden than blacktop. therefore i choose silvertop as my transparent engine now.

right now i had been used the silvertop engine more than half an yrs. so far no problem occur right now. just a few month ago facing idle problem, but it have been solve by exchange the AFM sensor at the air filter there.

due to this reason, i have plan to swap out the AFM sensor to MAP sensor on to my silvertop.
i hope that open this thread to collect all of sifu sifu experience and advice.

besides that, below are my doubt need to ask

1. is it need to exchanges fully wiring from silvertop to blacktop wiring because of using MAP sensor system?
2. have any foreman at kl or klang valley familiar with this mod? except of exchanges all the wiring? i heard that some of sifu can maintain used back wiring silvertop and just make some modication of wiring silvertop? is it possible to do?

hope all silvertop owner and sifu sifu can give me a advice. tq

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

R.N.R Autosport: Silvertop + Blacktop spaghetti....

call 012 359 8616

 

[km_chew]

1. No need to change whole wiring set.
2, Any experience mechanic in 4AGE can do it for you 'easily', ask those local pple around. I'm sure there is some recommendation.

Lastly, good luck. It is a joy to have the trumpet running without any choke.

 

[hky91]

sms me 0168589328 if u need bt wiring n ecu,tq

 

[olskool]

R.N.R Autosport: Silvertop + Blacktop spaghetti....

the sifu has spoken...

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

Olskool...long time no see,hehe

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1. No need to change whole wiring set.
2, Any experience mechanic in 4AGE can do it for you 'easily', ask those local pple around. I'm sure there is some recommendation.

Lastly, good luck. It is a joy to have the trumpet running without any choke.

No need to change wiring whole set,just change ecu to stand alone,hehehe

 

[feipepe]

thanks for all prompt action reply sifu sifu here,
i need to ask what are the part i need to prepare for this mod? how many cost will involved for this mod?
have u all having any experience after convert the afm sensor to map sensor? any attached photo for this mod silvertop engine?

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hi sifu cuscostrutbrace,
sorry miss one more question,
if i standalone with silvertop wiring, what are the part i need to changes except like what u mentioned ecu change to blacktop, map sensor and etc.
can u describe more detail for this statement?
thanks

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

Silvertop to blacktop wiring,u need ..

1.Blacktop ECU
2.Blacktop MAP sensor (or any other SEG model can be used)
3.Blacktop Air Temperature sensor (or any toyota model with similar sensor)
4.Blacktop Oxygen Sensor (engine can run with Silvertop oxygen sensor but u need blacktop oxygen sensor for complete ECU closed loop operation)

Silvertop to Stand Alone ECU,u need...

1.Stand Alone ECU (Haltech,Microtech,Adaptronic etc etc)
2.Silvertop ECU connector (If u want to do plug and play harness. If permanent ecu wire in there is no need for this)
3.MAP Sensor and Air Temperature sensor where necessary.
4.Oxygen sensor if you want to do closed loop fueling.

The cost may vary...depends on you and your luck,some got it cheap,some got it expensive,some got it for free...

I think current CHOP SHOP market price is Blacktop ecu is around RM400 for auto,RM500 for manual, MAP sensor RM80-120(or cheaper), Air temp sensor RM 50-90. USED Oxygen sensor RM100-200.

That's all i can help,also check the Toyota marketplace there is a lot of stuff for sale from forum members.

 

[feipepe]

hi cuscostrutbrace and expertise sifu sifu,
y air temp sensor and oxygen sensor can't remain used back the original silvertop? is it have significant different between silvertop with blacktop? i just wanna to share my doubt and gain some knowledge on my thread on this forum only.

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

Silvertop oxygen sensor is different from blacktop one,but your car can run without it.

Air temp sensor for silvertop is built in inside your air flow meter,unless u don't want the airflow meter anymore in the future, you can hack the airflow meter and take the air temp sensor,save you some money.

 

[feipepe]

icic...understands...thanks a lot...meant that used back the silvertop air flow meter only purpose for control air temp sensor.
i think perfer to exchange whole silvertop wiring and ecu. because i heard some frens said silvertop ecu have a lot of problem too...
if we used the ecu blacktop on the silvertop engine.. is it silvertop engine can gain the hp power similar with blacktop engine or higher than blacktop engine with blacktop ecu?

 

[km_chew]

Olskool...long time no see,hehe

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No need to change wiring whole set,just change ecu to stand alone,hehehe

Yea, you should try the 20v unrestricted potential. It is a wonder till 8k. Car is ready for your ass to try ..

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

Feipepe;...blacktop wiring also not fully plug and play to silvertop

kmchew;...is it?....will set appt wit u soon :-)

 

[n0th1n]

ai like this thread

 

[suma_]

does changing to MAP system will eliminate the idling problem?

 

[feipepe]

suma,
i think can reduce the chances like afm meter faulty, silvertop ecu faulty common found on silvertop. due to that this afm meter faulty is also one of failure affected the idle problem.
that's after to version blacktop, there toyota maker was to changes to used map system instead of the afm was found on silvertop.

this is only my 1 cents statement...if i'm wrong pls amend it

 

[levin818]

Please allow me to share some experience :)
1) AFM will not give any problem, you just need to clean it once a while will do
2) If it is Idling probelm, clean your ISCV and the entire butterfly bypassing path, & fully service your 4-throttle
3) Yes Silvertop ECU is a crap now but it can be rebuilt to last beyond 2020. Ask me how
3) Blacktop ECU soon become a crap like Silvertop, especially the 5sp ECU. It is just a matter of time. But again, you can rebuilt it to make it run beyond 2020 too
4) I don't agreed that "Any experience mechanic in 4AGE can do it for you 'easily'". I see lots of pain from my customer's face. And myself had it too before...

So if you want something cost effective, just resolve the idling problem by looking into the root cause. If you want 8k feel and run open pod once in a blue moon, Cuscostrutbrace's offer is one of the best choice in town

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Cuscostrutbrace, good blog you have

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

Please allow me to share some experience :)
1) AFM will not give any problem, you just need to clean it once a while will do
2) If it is Idling probelm, clean your ISCV and the entire butterfly bypassing path, & fully service your 4-throttle
3) Yes Silvertop ECU is a crap now but it can be rebuilt to last beyond 2020. Ask me how
3) Blacktop ECU soon become a crap like Silvertop, especially the 5sp ECU. It is just a matter of time. But again, you can rebuilt it to make it run beyond 2020 too
4) I don't agreed that "Any experience mechanic in 4AGE can do it for you 'easily'". I see lots of pain from my customer's face. And myself had it too before...

So if you want something cost effective, just resolve the idling problem by looking into the root cause. If you want 8k feel and run open pod once in a blue moon, Cuscostrutbrace's offer is one of the best choice in town

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Cuscostrutbrace, good blog you have

haha...thank you,the blog just to share with my friends,and also for other people references,i think you should have a blog too,so people can see what service you have to offer and how good your work are.Let people see to believe! You can repair ecu like factory quality,why not let other ppl see your work :-).I'm improving my level of quality as well now,using automotive grade wires(as most factory use).

 

[feipepe]

hi levin818 sifu, please red the red brancket question
1) AFM will not give any problem, you just need to clean it once a while will do [how does we can clean the AFM? because i never heard that its AFM can be clean. normally the mechanic said exchange the new AFM meter)
2) If it is Idling probelm, clean your ISCV and the entire butterfly bypassing path, & fully service your 4-throttle
3) Yes Silvertop ECU is a crap now but it can be rebuilt to last beyond 2020. ["][how to rebuit its ecu until last beyong 2020?]
3) Blacktop ECU soon become a crap like Silvertop, especially the 5sp ECU. It is just a matter of time. But again, you can rebuilt it to make it run beyond 2020 too
4) I don't agreed that "Any experience mechanic in 4AGE can do it for you 'easily'". I see lots of pain from my customer's face. And myself had it too before

 

[levin818]

haha...thank you,the blog just to share with my friends,and also for other people references,i think you should have a blog too,so people can see what service you have to offer and how good your work are.Let people see to believe! You can repair ecu like factory quality,why not let other ppl see your work :-).I'm improving my level of quality as well now,using automotive grade wires(as most factory use).

Tks for the suggestion. I have posted some photos at my zth album. Feel free to visit :)
Zerotohundred.com - levin818's Albums

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1) how does we can clean the AFM? because i never heard that its AFM can be clean. normally the mechanic said exchange the new AFM meter
>> Just use a Carb Cleaner to cleen the AFM's flap once in 30k can do.

2) how to rebuit its ecu until last beyong 2020?
>> Due to some coponents in side the ECU already reach its lifespand, SVT ECU tends to malfunction at any time from now. Identifying and replacing those components will be able to bring back the ECU's function. By selecting a higher grade materials, the reliability of the ECU can be assure.
All my rebuilt SVT ECU will under went following test before ship to customer:
- Acceleration test
- VVT functioning test
- A/F monitoring
- RPM limit test

Hope this help.