4AFE Turbo vs 4AGE Blacktop

[Veloc]

Guys... I have plans for future upgrade for my AE111... But I always fight between these 2 options... Hmm... And I guess many couldn't give a definite answer till now. Soem argue that 4AFTE is beter and some say the rev hungry Blacktop. Let this be a place where we can discuss and share experiences. If you do not have experience in playing these 2 beautiful engines, please feel free to share opinions too!

How does these 2 compare in:

1. Reliability
2. Maintenance Cost
3. Streetability & Fuel Consumption
4. "Max-out" tuned power
5. Cost of Modifying
6. etc etc...

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Can anyone share experience? My aim is to get good moderate power and good FC. Like the blacktop, 165 bhp and still can manage 400kms per full tank in my area. I love it a lot. But I am just wondering if turboing the 4AFE can yield me 160 - 170 bhp like the BT. I plan to use just light boost. Max 0.4 bar for good fuel economy and low-mid range torque. I don't really aim for high end power.

So my question is,
1. So if I stick to 0.4 bar boost, can I get 160 - 170 bhp?
2. If we talk about max-out tune (i.e 4AFTE vs BT turbo), which engine can give more?

 

[xtremeleo]

my 4efte outperforms a 4age 20v, in terms of performance and fc. a 4afte wud be better, since it has the same capacity as the 4a. charge that 4afe up sir, let me be the first to welcome u to the dark side..

once u feel boost (evil substance, lol), u will never look back to na.. hihi

 

[wilm3]

y not go for 16v 4agte? still a good figure in FC...

 

[nappx]

SUPERCHARGE...why not into consideration..just question...

 

[xtremeleo]

easier to turbocharge it sir

 

[n0th1n]

How does these 2 compare in:

1. Reliability
2. Maintenance Cost
3. Streetability & Fuel Consumption
4. "Max-out" tuned power
5. Cost of Modifying
6. etc etc...

Can anyone share experience? My aim is to get good moderate power and good FC. Like the blacktop, 165 bhp and still can manage 400kms per full tank in my area. I love it a lot. But I am just wondering if turboing the 4AFE can yield me 160 - 170 bhp like the BT. I plan to use just light boost. Max 0.4 bar for good fuel economy and low-mid range torque. I don't really aim for high end power.

So my question is,
1. So if I stick to 0.4 bar boost, can I get 160 - 170 bhp?
2. If we talk about max-out tune (i.e 4AFTE vs BT turbo), which engine can give more?

20v factory dyno'ed at 165. and i believe in controlled environment, ron more than ron97 that we have here and at flywheel, not at wheel. we did couple of dyno session, with engine stage 1 modification, the result should be 110-ish to 130-ish. with dyno dynamics machine.

20v user here. 0.57 bar gave me 200++whp. with leak at manifold.
FC wise, same with NA if you don't full boost all the time. 1 liter = 10km. 10liters = 100km, 100liters estimate 1000km if mix driving. if long distance (no frequent throttle changes) should be more i.e 30liters = 400km.

once u feel boost (evil substance, lol), u will never look back to na.. hihi

disagree. i still miss my NA engine, because below than full boost rpm's range, my turbo equipped engine sucks!!!

 

[xtremeleo]

disagree. i still miss my NA engine, because below than full boost rpm's range, my turbo equipped engine sucks!!!

mine are all set up for response, off boost also sedap, on boost lagi sedap woo.. many of my frens returned to the dark side, turbo > na, mostly VTECs > turbo, missing NA isnt in my book sir. i guess iam a boost junkie den, lol

 

[n0th1n]

thread discussing BOT weh!!!! balance of high comp system with turbo and characteristic is also different.

 

[xtremeleo]

charging a vtec? its cheaper to change car sir, hehe.. BOT and original turbo, similar ler tu.. they are both in the dark realm imo, lol

 

[n0th1n]

rasa dulu, baru cakap boss

 

[xtremeleo]

rasa what? vtec turbo? na power? i do my cars myself sir, supercharge, turbocharge, na.. seme ade kat rumah nuu.. motor pun penah turbo kan, err.. so?

err, where are headed wit all dis anyway? did any of my input bothered u in any way ke?

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

disagree. i still miss my NA engine, because below than full boost rpm's range, my turbo equipped engine sucks!!!

Wait until u see my car off boost,its the slowest car in the world,even myvi can potong,and full boost also not that fast...

But in this case,i vote for 4AFE Turbo...

 

[xtremeleo]

Wait until u see my car off boost,its the slowest car in the world,even myvi can potong,and full boost also not that fast...

alamak, naper teroks sangat? what engine are u using sir? how long has dis problem been troubling u? pm for more detail, tq sir

 

[nappx]

Wait until u see my car off boost,its the slowest car in the world,even myvi can potong,and full boost also not that fast...

weiii..ur car diff...can't tahan wooo...if free tonight..come sex7..have tt overthere..

 

[wilm3]

haha...both got pros n cons....of course turbo got more feel but if u talking bout high capacity NA then diff story liao.... better u try 1st then oli decide lor....ask for a ride for both...

 

[n0th1n]

Wait until u see my car off boost,its the slowest car in the world,even myvi can potong,and full boost also not that fast...

But in this case,i vote for 4AFE Turbo...

takpe, asal dari 'jauh bunyi bunyik berdentum-dentum'
translate: nevermind, as long the sound 'dentum-dentum' can be heard from far awayyyyyyyy

 

[xtremeleo]

takpe, asal dari 'jauh bunyi bunyik berdentum-dentum'
translate: nevermind, as long the sound 'dentum-dentum' can be heard from far awayyyyyyyy

lol, i like dat sir, i like dat a lot

 

[nappx]

cusco...diff level..diff brand..but...monster la..like u said..baru beli best..suda lama bawak suda tarak best..mau upgrade lagi..he he

 

[cuscostrutbrace]

takpe, asal dari 'jauh bunyi bunyik berdentum-dentum'
translate: nevermind, as long the sound 'dentum-dentum' can be heard from far awayyyyyyyy

haha...siap ada translate

itu bunyi kalu awak mau pun bole,kasi tukar muffler sajer...tp bunyi dentum2 tak laju nak wat ape,sedih betul..minyak pun kuat,aduhai sendiri cari penyakit..

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cusco...diff level..diff brand..but...monster la..like u said..baru beli best..suda lama bawak suda tarak best..mau upgrade lagi..he he

biasa la,ape ape keta pun macam tu kalau dah kaki ada batu,hehe...unless 500hp ke atas,baru rasa puas kot

my car tak monster mana pun,body berat bro,silap2 kena tapau ngn 4afte or 4efte ke nnt buat malu jer,tp kalau 20v n/a tu bleh la layan lagi,tp its not fair la compare n/a dgn turbo ye tak...huhu

 

[BLANk]

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