Mitsubishi Turbo specifications.

veilsideboyz

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no power..... Or U get big turbo.... If not.... after 5k rpm..out of breath...the power drop to redline rpm.....
 

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Garrett Turbos:

Garrett basically has two lines of turbos. The ancient, inefficient T series turbos and the new, modern, ball bearing GT series turbos.

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T family has T22, T25, T3, T350, To4B, To4E, TS04, To4R ...These are 50 year old, WWII generation turbos.
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The newer line of GT turbos are ball bearing on journal and thrust bearing. The turbine and compressor wheels are improvely aerodynamically to flow more air. GT20, GT22, GT25, GT30, GT35, GT40, GT45, GT50... GT turbos produce slightly more hp then older T series turbos with the same number designation. A GT Garrett turbine wheel wil flow more air than similar sized Greddy turbine wheel. Thus GT turbos are able to boost higher and flow more.

Turbonetics and many domestic makers turbos based on T series turbos. A T3/To4E 60 T .63A/R is a hybrid turbo with T3 turbine, To4E compressor, 60 Trim compressor wheel and .63 A/R turbine housing.

Wheel "trim" refers to the squared ratio of the smaller diameter divided by the larger diameter times 100. Generally, the larger the trim number the more flow the wheel has.

For compressor wheels , larger trim tends to mean slightly lower efficiency.

For "families" of turbine wheels (those with the same inducer diameter), larger trim usually means better flow with less backpressure but longer spool time.

A/R is a ratio of the exhaust discharge area vs the distance from the center of turbine wheel to the center of the cross sectional area. Smaller A/R housing has faster spool up. Bigger A/R housing has less back pressure, more flow for the top end.

The so called "T-series': T60, T61, T66, T70, T72, T76... are T4 turbos as well. The number means the compressor inducer size. ie: T76 means it has 76mm compressor inducer.

HKS uses Garrett turbos. HKS GT series turbos use Garrett GT's turbine with GT's compressor.

For example, HKS GT 2835 is GT28 turbine with GT35 52 trim compressor.

The newer line of Garrett GT-R turbos are hybrid turbos. For example, GT30R is a hybrid of GT30 turbine mated to 56 trim GT37 compressor.
 

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wanna ask can a aftermarket TD05 downpipe fit to TD04...?
 

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I hope someone can reply me on this. Already done with some search and readings but still cant find the exact answer. I plan to upgrade TD0409 but didnt sure whether it will go as I plan as im looking to make this turbo build up boost quicker and better torque. Currently im using 660T engine and lets say I already upgrade the internals such as fuel line, piston, manifold etc. What happen if I fit in 13T compressor wheel in the TD0409? More lag? Threshold? Torque? Boost build up? Really appreciate if someone can clear this things up for me.
 
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bebolagalas T

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bigger turbo will increse it inertia so wat i can say it will be more lag then ur previous setup..if u already upgrade ur engine..then it become diff story la...wat hapen if u put 13t wheel? nothing hapen bro..hehe...u will get more top end...and power a bit aggresive at high rpm...how about low rpm...dont worry..u can handle it..lag is just a myth..

so...
more lag?...argghh...who cares?
threshold? ...did u charge ur turbine side? if no...the diff is minimal dont worry la..
torque? turbo make torque, torque makes HP..absolute torque with good tuning..
boost build up?...still worry ka...haha..no pain no gain...
 

penagihdadih

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bigger turbo will increse it inertia so wat i can say it will be more lag then ur previous setup..if u already upgrade ur engine..then it become diff story la...wat hapen if u put 13t wheel? nothing hapen bro..hehe...u will get more top end...and power a bit aggresive at high rpm...how about low rpm...dont worry..u can handle it..lag is just a myth..

so...
more lag?...argghh...who cares?
threshold? ...did u charge ur turbine side? if no...the diff is minimal dont worry la..
torque? turbo make torque, torque makes HP..absolute torque with good tuning..
boost build up?...still worry ka...haha..no pain no gain...
thanx bebolagalas for the reply. TD0409 in 660T engine quite impressive so far. Yes, some will say lag and threshold but i dont have any problem so far with it. Boost build up at around 3.5k and reach full boost ( 1 bar) before 5k i guess. So now i need to find a way to shift the torque to kick in a little earlier. Early for 500rpm than before. Knowing the TD0409 turbine is 6cm2, do you know any MHI turbine is a little bit smaller than this? ( Thinking of TD035 because its bigger than TD025 eterna and smaller thn TD0409). Sorry for asking too much.
 

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thanx bebolagalas for the reply. TD0409 in 660T engine quite impressive so far. Yes, some will say lag and threshold but i dont have any problem so far with it. Boost build up at around 3.5k and reach full boost ( 1 bar) before 5k i guess. So now i need to find a way to shift the torque to kick in a little earlier. Early for 500rpm than before. Knowing the TD0409 turbine is 6cm2, do you know any MHI turbine is a little bit smaller than this? ( Thinking of TD035 because its bigger than TD025 eterna and smaller thn TD0409). Sorry for asking too much.
r u sure bro td04 09 with 6cm2?... big woo..o thought 4cm2
yes bro..td03, tf035 will be more responsive than td04..dont choose td025 coz u will downgrade 2 stg..:smokin:
 

penagihdadih

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r u sure bro td04 09 with 6cm2?... big woo..o thought 4cm2
yes bro..td03, tf035 will be more responsive than td04..dont choose td025 coz u will downgrade 2 stg..:smokin:
I refer to some website lastnite but cant recall its name. Yeah it states TD0409 have same turbine with TD04L 13G with 6cm2 and i think its right.. I dont have many resource on this. Plus, TD0409 is quite old turbo already and so hard to find data..
 
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penagihdadih

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I refer to some website lastnite but cant recall its name. Yeah it states TD0409 have same turbine with TD04L 13G with 6cm2 and i think its right.. I dont have many resource on this. Plus, TD0409 is quite old turbo already and so hard to find data..
after searching and asking from local forum, they said TD0409 have 4cm2 turbine.. you were right bro..
 

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sory for brought up dis old thread..i've used this td04-09 before but from different engine..from my digging up in the internet my previous td04-09 is from mitsubishi lancer 1.8 turbodiesel..difference from penagihdadih turbo was my turbine housing only 3cm2(based on code written on the turbo)..mine start spooling around 400rpm earlier than penagihdadih unit..

from there i got this idea off running the biggest td04 i can get my hand on and i got my "new" td04hl-15G from volvo 850..still not the biggest td04 but for me that thing about twice bigger than my previous td04-09..for my 1st experiment i just port my old 3cm2 turbine housing to fit the new turbo and the result is spool time become much2 sooner..in fact almost 1000rpm earliear than before..with this setup i was able to spooling around 2200rpm and reach full boost around 5k rpm..but the output is a bit dissapointing becos with this setup ,my engine only produce 90hp instead off 104hp while i was using that td04-09..but my torque seeing a good 2kg increasement..from 11kg to a 13kg..this was achieve with the same boost level around 1.2-1.3 bar of boost..

this setup seem the best setup for city driving but i sacrifice too much when driving on hiway..so for my next project i was thinking to upsize my turbine housing from 3cm2 to 5cm2 from mitsubishi 1.8 gsr..and all this question keep pop up in my mind...

1. what rpm will my turbo start spooling?3k,3.5k or 4k rpm?i targetting to spool around above 3k but not as late as above 4k rpm..

2. will my torque number increase or decrease with the same boost level before?honestly i scared with high number torque as i find out that higher torque do stress out my drivetrain(gearbox,driveshaft etc..)

3. i planning to use tubular exhaust manifold(banana)..will this effect anything?spool time,output,flow?will this thing be affected?

4. i also plan to run the highest boost as i can and from there set the optimum boost for my daily use..will my full boost rpm be affected as well?

5. do i need an ic upgrade?now using that ugly jasma thin intercooler..do i need to change them and use bigger or thicker oem intercooler?

hope someone can enlight me a little..tq
 

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sory for brought up dis old thread..i've used this td04-09 before but from different engine..from my digging up in the internet my previous td04-09 is from mitsubishi lancer 1.8 turbodiesel..difference from penagihdadih turbo was my turbine housing only 3cm2(based on code written on the turbo)..mine start spooling around 400rpm earlier than penagihdadih unit..

from there i got this idea off running the biggest td04 i can get my hand on and i got my "new" td04hl-15G from volvo 850..still not the biggest td04 but for me that thing about twice bigger than my previous td04-09..for my 1st experiment i just port my old 3cm2 turbine housing to fit the new turbo and the result is spool time become much2 sooner..in fact almost 1000rpm earliear than before..with this setup i was able to spooling around 2200rpm and reach full boost around 5k rpm..but the output is a bit dissapointing becos with this setup ,my engine only produce 90hp instead off 104hp while i was using that td04-09..but my torque seeing a good 2kg increasement..from 11kg to a 13kg..this was achieve with the same boost level around 1.2-1.3 bar of boost..

this setup seem the best setup for city driving but i sacrifice too much when driving on hiway..so for my next project i was thinking to upsize my turbine housing from 3cm2 to 5cm2 from mitsubishi 1.8 gsr..and all this question keep pop up in my mind...

1. what rpm will my turbo start spooling?3k,3.5k or 4k rpm?i targetting to spool around above 3k but not as late as above 4k rpm..

2. will my torque number increase or decrease with the same boost level before?honestly i scared with high number torque as i find out that higher torque do stress out my drivetrain(gearbox,driveshaft etc..)

3. i planning to use tubular exhaust manifold(banana)..will this effect anything?spool time,output,flow?will this thing be affected?

4. i also plan to run the highest boost as i can and from there set the optimum boost for my daily use..will my full boost rpm be affected as well?

5. do i need an ic upgrade?now using that ugly jasma thin intercooler..do i need to change them and use bigger or thicker oem intercooler?

hope someone can enlight me a little..tq
 

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this turbo this TD04-11B single blade,is very good for low rpm like 2.5k will full boost already,it very response turbo,but untill 5k rpm will drop power band,many diesel car is use this turbo
this turbo from which engine/car?
 

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i have one friend that uses TD04 (gsr) mated with TD04-09 exhaust housing. as we all know that TD04 from gsr is a hybrid so the characteristic is there even mated to td04-09 housing. boost might be abit late and not as sharp as the riginal TD04-09 BUT the higher your rpm the harder the boost kicks. it is very good for racing/time attack on a high speed track setup as it gives a lot of power at around 4000 rpm to 7000+ rpm.
 
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penagihdadih

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sory for brought up dis old thread..i've used this td04-09 before but from different engine..from my digging up in the internet my previous td04-09 is from mitsubishi lancer 1.8 turbodiesel..difference from penagihdadih turbo was my turbine housing only 3cm2(based on code written on the turbo)..mine start spooling around 400rpm earlier than penagihdadih unit..

from there i got this idea off running the biggest td04 i can get my hand on and i got my "new" td04hl-15G from volvo 850..still not the biggest td04 but for me that thing about twice bigger than my previous td04-09..for my 1st experiment i just port my old 3cm2 turbine housing to fit the new turbo and the result is spool time become much2 sooner..in fact almost 1000rpm earliear than before..with this setup i was able to spooling around 2200rpm and reach full boost around 5k rpm..but the output is a bit dissapointing becos with this setup ,my engine only produce 90hp instead off 104hp while i was using that td04-09..but my torque seeing a good 2kg increasement..from 11kg to a 13kg..this was achieve with the same boost level around 1.2-1.3 bar of boost..

this setup seem the best setup for city driving but i sacrifice too much when driving on hiway..so for my next project i was thinking to upsize my turbine housing from 3cm2 to 5cm2 from mitsubishi 1.8 gsr..and all this question keep pop up in my mind...

1. what rpm will my turbo start spooling?3k,3.5k or 4k rpm?i targetting to spool around above 3k but not as late as above 4k rpm..

2. will my torque number increase or decrease with the same boost level before?honestly i scared with high number torque as i find out that higher torque do stress out my drivetrain(gearbox,driveshaft etc..)

3. i planning to use tubular exhaust manifold(banana)..will this effect anything?spool time,output,flow?will this thing be affected?

4. i also plan to run the highest boost as i can and from there set the optimum boost for my daily use..will my full boost rpm be affected as well?

5. do i need an ic upgrade?now using that ugly jasma thin intercooler..do i need to change them and use bigger or thicker oem intercooler?

hope someone can enlight me a little..tq

Can we all know ur engine and specs?
 

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l2s 660t with current setup:

72mm myvi pistons
metal head gasket
390 injectors
1jz fuel pump
38mm tial wastegate
td04hl-15g-3cm2 turbine housing
fuel reg
emanage blue

dis is my current setup and i'm planning to do some engine works becos my piston rings have worn out..and this a few thing i would like to add on:

some cyclinder head works (make dome to lower my CR)
change conrod (will ask my tuner first how much this stock conrod can handle..will work thing out from there)
tubular exhaust manifold
5cm2 turbine housing
change gearbox (currently using 660 gb..would love to try 850 gb)
full 2.5" exhaust piping (currently using about 90% 2.5" piping)

i've seen my fb fren that is using about the same setup(except he is using high cam,slightly bigger throttle body) except he using td04l from subaru mated with 5cm2 turbine housing...his engine produce 2++hp with almost 23-24kg torque..i've seen his dyno result and it seem like he start seeing power produce at 4000rpm and peaking around 6500rpm..and that result done on a very humble workshop with "kampung" style modification..and what amazed me most that his car was a daily driven car with ocassionally drag race..that started me to do this new project aiming about 150-170hp...

could this can be done?
 

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Anybody here use td05 from mudah?td05 tag Jasma.they claim it as td0518g..is it worth to buy and install to my vr4 engine?but actually not pure vr4 la,only block,others still mirage wiring and turbo..anybody have an idea what is the pro's and contra's if im using this turbine?
 

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mudah jasma turbo?better no
pay slightly more and have a piece of mine.
I doubt mudah jasma turbo undergone crucial material selection and balancing.If they can give warranty maybe you can try and feedback here.


Anybody here use td05 from mudah?td05 tag Jasma.they claim it as td0518g..is it worth to buy and install to my vr4 engine?but actually not pure vr4 la,only block,others still mirage wiring and turbo..anybody have an idea what is the pro's and contra's if im using this turbine?