Mazda 13B RE in a 80's Toyota KE70 DX

[Blanc2z]

I've decided that my project for next year would be a Budget built, KE70 DX and i'm having problems deciding what engine to throw under the hood of the car. Knowing a few examples I've seen so far online which consists of the SR20DET, 3S-GTE, CA18DET, the infamous 4A-GE / 4A-GTE / 4A-GZE and some extremely insane ones carrying 1UZ's and 2JZ's, I'm just wondering if its LEGAL to put in a Mazda 13B Series 4-6 rotary engine in a innocent Corolla DX in Malaysia. And I'm talking about having a valid car to be driven when i want (doesn't have to be a daily driver) with legitimate car registration (roadtax & insurance). I'm thinking more towards an N/A rotary Bridegeport motor mated to any 5 speed box which fits (i don't really know about rotary Gearboxes... help?) and it doesn't matter if its a Carby or a fuel injected engine. I've seen to many 4A's in Rollas to know its certainly quite under powered (my personal opinion) so its a no no from me. I know its all plug and play but i'm a little mad, so yeah.
remember, it has to be LEGAL, Rotary powered and MAAAADDD! So, is it possible?

BRAPPPPPP!! BRAPPPP!!!

 

[stupidcar]

Sorry to burst your bubble but a rotary mounting will be sat differently in a KE chassis.
Although, it seems logical to do so with the lightweight and small 13b in it.
Probably a damn good track weapon but no roadtax. :\
13B REW even more powerful. A street port is probably enough for a KE chassis.
Surprise you would want to involve in the rotary world where everyone is scared of it.

brapbrapbrap

 

[ken yeang]

technically, with enough money, these wild ideas and project can be done.
The big question is do you HAVE enough money?

Heck, you could strap a rocket to a car if you have the means to do so.

 

[Blanc2z]

Lets say if a rotary can't be possibly legal in a KE chassis, what would you guys recommend I put under the hood? something out of this world which makes a hefty load of power and make you piss unicorn tears when launching? or a basic plug and play 4A unit? all in all, it has to be legal.

 

[stupidcar]

Lets say if a rotary can't be possibly legal in a KE chassis, what would you guys recommend I put under the hood? something out of this world which makes a hefty load of power and make you piss unicorn tears when launching? or a basic plug and play 4A unit? all in all, it has to be legal.

Forced induction for 4AGE.

Unker Google:
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/toyota/51849-wats-d-fastest-engine-that-can-fit-ke70.html

The Noob Starting Guide To Ke70S. - KExx Corolla Discussion - rollaclub.com

 

[Blanc2z]

Somebody once told me its possible to send a runner to complete the job for me. is that all true? i'm having my doubts.
What do you think of a 7A-GTE build?

 

[DanzEterna]

go for 3SGTE enough...

 

[stupidcar]

go for 3SGTE enough...

Wanna NA then put Beams.

 

[Blanc2z]

A 3S-GTE or a 3S-GE in a KE70... hrmmm.. is it road worthy? or do i need to get an AE70 (1.5L / 5K) instead of a KE70 (1.3L / 4K) to be able to meet the engine swap capacity regulation? :hmmmm:

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

actually since on paper the rotary engine usually stated as 1.3liter(13b) /1.2liter (12a) provided proper mounting and safe method applied during engine+transmission swap...i assume it was possible to get it legally endorsed by puspakom/jpj.....

just make sure the weld and custom mounts bracket weld were done matching factory quality and look...

 

[stupidcar]

actually since on paper the rotary engine usually stated as 1.3liter(13b) /1.2liter (12a) provided proper mounting and safe method applied during engine+transmission swap...i assume it was possible to get it legally endorsed by puspakom/jpj.....

just make sure the weld and custom mounts bracket weld were done matching factory quality and look...

I thought as long as mounting change, totally cannot be endorsed in Malaysia?

 

[Blanc2z]

hrmmm... interesting.

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actually since on paper the rotary engine usually stated as 1.3liter(13b) /1.2liter (12a) provided proper mounting and safe method applied during engine+transmission swap...i assume it was possible to get it legally endorsed by puspakom/jpj.....

just make sure the weld and custom mounts bracket weld were done matching factory quality and look...

any idea where it can be done around Petaling Jaya - Subang Jaya? sounds risky tho...

 

[vr2turbo]

I thought as long as mounting change, totally cannot be endorsed in Malaysia?

Malaysia Bolih. Heard of Illegal Legal.....Can endorse but can still be illegal.....

 

[stupidcar]

Btw. A 13B isn't that cheap no? How is this gonna be budget build?

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

hrmmm... interesting.

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any idea where it can be done around Petaling Jaya - Subang Jaya? sounds risky tho...

not risky...just need proper attention to detail especially when involving weld/cut for mounting fabrication....

and honestly i've seen with my own eyes wira with b16 vtec engine inside using oem mounting with some base fabrication....very clean install....but thats not in klang valley ;)

 

[Blanc2z]

Btw. A 13B isn't that cheap no? How is this gonna be budget build?

I've had a rough calculation on how much a Boosted 4A-GE (20v/16v) is compared to an N/A 13B and the RE is cheaper, especially if i'm going towards a Carby rotary build. not too messy with the electricals and there is no need for forged internals and turbo setups whatsoever. Power output is probably the same.... i'm just wondering, will the gearbox fit in the transmission tunnel? :hmmmm:

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not risky...just need proper attention to detail especially when involving weld/cut for mounting fabrication....

and honestly i've seen with my own eyes wira with b16 vtec engine inside using oem mounting with some base fabrication....very clean install....but thats not in klang valley ;)

I've also personally seen a VTEC Satria Neo... B18C Type R in a Neo is no easy task...
VTEC KICKED IN YO!

 

[stupidcar]

I have no idea. But the 13b sits very low and further back. I imagine the tranny is short? I have no idea. Sorry bro. But if you take fabrication into account, probably REW will cause more. Plus REW will make way way more power. Easier to get power compare to piston engines actually.

 

[Blanc2z]

I have no idea. But the 13b sits very low and further back. I imagine the tranny is short? I have no idea. Sorry bro. But if you take fabrication into account, probably REW will cause more. Plus REW will make way way more power. Easier to get power compare to piston engines actually.

Well, thanks for all the information. appreciate it. yeah, thats why i vouch to choose a Rotary. so far, i've got information that i should use a series 3-4 13B with a carburetor, mated to a 5-speed series 1 gearbox. I have no idea what this combo is about but it seems that it fits in a KE chassis according to threads on rollaclub.com .... im not sure about the mountings and where to get it fabricated but i'll have to work on that someone told me to check out R.P.S Motorsports located in USJ 1 because it seems their famous for Old school Rotaries. do you have any idea who the are and are they recommendable?

 

[Blanc2z]

Did some research and the RE engine mounts are at the front, making the original engine cross member useless. which means, i need to custom fabricate an "engine mount cum engine cross member" which is bolted onto the front of the chassis. I'm already having doubts. i've heard of getting an engineer to approve it in order for it to pass.... i don't know anything about hiring an engineer and what procedures to carry out prior to inspection... help? the transmission bracket also needs some slight fab work for it to fit... :thumpdown: is there any other way to make it look legit? or any other way to mount the RE in place?

 

[stupidcar]

Did some research and the RE engine mounts are at the front, making the original engine cross member useless. which means, i need to custom fabricate an "engine mount cum engine cross member" which is bolted onto the front of the chassis. I'm already having doubts. i've heard of getting an engineer to approve it in order for it to pass.... i don't know anything about hiring an engineer and what procedures to carry out prior to inspection... help? the transmission bracket also needs some slight fab work for it to fit... :thumpdown: is there any other way to make it look legit? or any other way to mount the RE in place?

Wah...