Evo 1/2/3 OEM shocks+springs

[wildboar]

hi guys,

just wanted to see if anyone has used the evo1/2/3 oem absorbers + springs before? im looking to convert my wira GSR back to "comfortable-like-stock standard" cos ive got a baby on the way...been using adjustables for many yrs, and its time to change...

so i've asked around, and got mixed opinions, which got me all confused...i wanna go back to the stock standard comfort level, dont bother about performance anymore...so obviously oem is the way to go...question is, which oem shocks+springs?

my foreman suggested to go for either mitsu oem 1.6 or 1.8 (mivec/mirage or gsr) setup, and he says 1.6 & 1.8 are the same...i imagined 1.8 would have a different damping rate or spring stiffness since the engines are different in weight...blur....

then i asked a fren who sells performance parts...he recommended me to go for evo oem setup...and he says 1.8 GSR and evo1/2/3 are exactly the same in terms of the damping and stiffness...double blur....the oni concern he mentioned is that using the evo setup in wira GSR may be too high for my liking - possibly more than 4 fingers gap between wheel & fender...i've even checked the kerb weight of both GSR & evo, quite similar but evo is ~50kg heavier so i suppose evo setup can still be used...

i know the best would be to use back GSR oem setup, but it is hard to come by...evo plenty available...

im still in limbo what set to change, anyone have experience or advise?

thanx in advance...

 

[DanzEterna]

y not stick to adjustables, but go for hwl brand, try to offer ppl that are willing to swap with u.

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

stick to your adjustable...just change front spring rate into 5-4k rate and rear 4-3k rate... i saw in mudah ppl selling adjustable spring abour rm150 for 2pcs...should be pretty decent price instead of replacing the whole absorber setup...

 

[wildboar]

Thanx for the advise bro...but wouldnt that cause the absorbers to kong vr fast? I imagine it would cos of the mis-match between abs & spring rates?

 

[Izso]

Thanx for the advise bro...but wouldnt that cause the absorbers to kong vr fast? I imagine it would cos of the mis-match between abs & spring rates?

nope. If you downgrade your spring rate it won't spoil anything. It'll just make it softer. Probably would be your cheapest and easiest solution.

But if you want to revert back to stock, get Wira absorbers from Kayaba and Wira 1.6 springs. The 1.6 and 1.8 springs are the same, the absorbers are the same too, but 1.5 and 1.3 are higher. The spring cup holder is higher so don't opt for those even though damping is about the same.

If you have the budget the Wira SE springs go quite well with the Wira 1.5 absorbers. With the 1.6/1.8 abs it'll be too low.

 

[wildboar]

thanks for your comments Izso...if i change my adjustable springs to say front 5k & rear 3k, will i get stock standard comfort level?

not that im looking to change to stock oem absorbers + springs, i just wanna get back the stock comfort level...and if i can achieve that by just changing my adjustable springs, then i guess that would be much cheaper...

 

[Izso]

thanks for your comments Izso...if i change my adjustable springs to say front 5k & rear 3k, will i get stock standard comfort level?

not that im looking to change to stock oem absorbers + springs, i just wanna get back the stock comfort level...and if i can achieve that by just changing my adjustable springs, then i guess that would be much cheaper...

I used to use HLSH 6k 4k and there's no way you'll get stock comfort. It'll be comfortable but still harder than stock. Only stock is as comfortable as stock. adjustables with 5k3k might be softer than your current setup but it'll still be harder than stock, but more comfortable la. Stick with 5k3k la. Your baby might enjoy the bumpiness. Just don't let him/her get used to it, later everytime he/she cry you have burn petrol to drive the baby out. hahahaha

 

[wildboar]

Hahah...my wife isnt complaining abt my harsh ride..actually its just me worried it might not b good for the baby bouncing about in my wife's tummy..

Understand ur point dat oni stock is as comfortable as stock..im currently using hwl hlsh body shift..i think the springs r 8k 5k..the code printed on the springs are:
Front: 200-80-62/70L
Rear: 220-50-62/70L
Correct me if im wrong but i interpret the 200/220 as the spring length in mm, and the 80/50 as 8kg & 5kg, and the 62 as the spring diameter in mm...no idea wat 70L stands for tho...

I also read in another forum dat evoX stock spring is oni 3.5kg front & 2+ to 3+kg rear...so if my interpretation is right on my hwl spring code, then damn, ive got stiff springs!!

Perhaps i shud go wif 4k 3k setup to get as close as possible to stock?

 

[Izso]

Yeah that would soften the car quite significantly. What I personally found in my Wira A/B last time 5k front 3k rear is a liiiiiiiiiittle bit stiffer than normal. So if you went 4k3k I think it'll be just nice. And personally, if you do 4k3k, drive slower la. Wife pregnant mah

Congrats dude on the upcoming baby

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

Hahah...my wife isnt complaining abt my harsh ride..actually its just me worried it might not b good for the baby bouncing about in my wife's tummy..

Understand ur point dat oni stock is as comfortable as stock..im currently using hwl hlsh body shift..i think the springs r 8k 5k..the code printed on the springs are:
Front: 200-80-62/70L
Rear: 220-50-62/70L
Correct me if im wrong but i interpret the 200/220 as the spring length in mm, and the 80/50 as 8kg & 5kg, and the 62 as the spring diameter in mm...no idea wat 70L stands for tho...

I also read in another forum dat evoX stock spring is oni 3.5kg front & 2+ to 3+kg rear...so if my interpretation is right on my hwl spring code, then damn, ive got stiff springs!!

Perhaps i shud go wif 4k 3k setup to get as close as possible to stock?

yes u were correct about lettering on the springs...

last time my wife preggy my adjustable was on 6k front 4k rear on 1.6 satria....a bit hard...but not dangerously harsh...drive with more carefull

Yeah that would soften the car quite significantly. What I personally found in my Wira A/B last time 5k front 3k rear is a liiiiiiiiiittle bit stiffer than normal. So if you went 4k3k I think it'll be just nice. And personally, if you do 4k3k, drive slower la. Wife pregnant mah

Congrats dude on the upcoming baby

iszo....u still have the same setup? wanna swap with me tak??? 6k/4k setting

 

[wildboar]

thanx Izso & pomen...

Izso, were u using the 5k 3k setup on adjustables? dont know if it makes a difference between coilovers and shock+spring combo...but what i understand is adjustable coilovers will always be harder than the regular setup combo...dats why i prefer going for the paling amat terlembut sekali springs...hehehe...

also, what engine were u running on? given the exact same suspension setup, i wud imagine a 1.5 car wud react differently compared to a 1.8 cos of the different engine weight??

another question...can i swap my rear springs to the front? its 20mm longer, so i was wondering if its ok to use in the front...if can use, then i just need to buy 3kg springs for the rear...damn im stingy...heheh..

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

thanx Izso & pomen...

Izso, were u using the 5k 3k setup on adjustables? dont know if it makes a difference between coilovers and shock+spring combo...but what i understand is adjustable coilovers will always be harder than the regular setup combo...dats why i prefer going for the paling amat terlembut sekali springs...hehehe...

also, what engine were u running on? given the exact same suspension setup, i wud imagine a 1.5 car wud react differently compared to a 1.8 cos of the different engine weight??

another question...can i swap my rear springs to the front? its 20mm longer, so i was wondering if its ok to use in the front...if can use, then i just need to buy 3kg springs for the rear...damn im stingy...heheh..

yes u can...usually those adjustable have universal springs...can interchange between gab,hwl and many others as well as front-rear swap...just different length...

 

[Izso]

iszo....u still have the same setup? wanna swap with me tak??? 6k/4k setting

Dah jual la. And this was an old set from way back then.

thanx Izso & pomen...

Izso, were u using the 5k 3k setup on adjustables? dont know if it makes a difference between coilovers and shock+spring combo...but what i understand is adjustable coilovers will always be harder than the regular setup combo...dats why i prefer going for the paling amat terlembut sekali springs...hehehe...

also, what engine were u running on? given the exact same suspension setup, i wud imagine a 1.5 car wud react differently compared to a 1.8 cos of the different engine weight??

another question...can i swap my rear springs to the front? its 20mm longer, so i was wondering if its ok to use in the front...if can use, then i just need to buy 3kg springs for the rear...damn im stingy...heheh..

Erm. Why would you want to put in taller springs in front? I guess if it fits then fine. If it doesn't, you're gonna compress the springs meaning it'll be harsh.

I was using 5k3k on adjustables. Hehehe.. but final setup was 6k4k la. That's still more ideal for me. But comfort is subjective.

 

[wildboar]

Erm. Why would you want to put in taller springs in front? I guess if it fits then fine. If it doesn't, you're gonna compress the springs meaning it'll be harsh.

I was using 5k3k on adjustables. Hehehe.. but final setup was 6k4k la. That's still more ideal for me. But comfort is subjective.

cos my current rear springs are 220mm 5kg, so i just need to swap them to the front, no need to buy another set of 5kg springs lo...

my adjustables are body shift, i think 220mm will still fit without compressing the springs...this i gotta ask the shop that i bought them from to confirm...

what engine were u running on ur 5k 3k setup bro?

 

[Izso]

A much lighter 4G15 with mods bro. Front was still kinda stiff with 5k front. So your heavier engine should be 'softer'

 

[wildboar]

Hehe..bro i tot u said ur 5k 3k setup was just a liiiitle stiffer than stock?

Btw, the harshness of the ride is derived from the stiffness of the springs right? The abs r just to stop the springs fr bouncing uncontrollably?

 

[Izso]

Hehehehe.. my "stock" has always been stiffer than OEM. As a brand new car, stock suspension was swapped out after 6 months. Hehe. Never went back to stock until 9 years later when I sold the car.

And mine were h/l/s/h, the way the dampers work is in tandem with the springs, it doesn't work the way you said it. Springs carry the weight of the car, without abs the car would just swing here and there. The abs compress and rebound based on feedback of the road. The faster the rebound the firmer the ride. But if the springs were compressed or overly hard then that would further make the ride harsher. So it's kind of like a fine balance between the two if you want relative comfort and performance.

Personally I wouldn't sell the adjustables (if they are h/l/s/h. If just h/l then sell it la).

 

[wildboar]

And mine were h/l/s/h, the way the dampers work is in tandem with the springs, it doesn't work the way you said it. Springs carry the weight of the car, without abs the car would just swing here and there. The abs compress and rebound based on feedback of the road. The faster the rebound the firmer the ride. But if the springs were compressed or overly hard then that would further make the ride harsher. So it's kind of like a fine balance between the two if you want relative comfort and performance.

Personally I wouldn't sell the adjustables (if they are h/l/s/h. If just h/l then sell it la).

performance is out the window at this point bro..heheh...

understand that the shocks & springs work as a unit, but what im saying is, the harshness of the ride (in the sense that i feel every nook & cranny on the road) is caused mainly due to stiff springs or damping rate? i imagined it would be the springs...but if my dampers were alredi pre-set in the factory to a higher rate (higher pressure???) then would it make any difference by changing to softer springs?

mine are hlsh, so i was thinking i could go for the softest available springs 5k 3k setup, then if i find it too soft - meaning the car is bouncing reli bad uncontrollably, then i could compensate by adjusting the dampers harder...makes sense?

sorry for the noob questions...guess im just wondering if my current dampers are alredi set reli hard to the point where changing to softer springs will not improve my ride...

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

performance is out the window at this point bro..heheh...

understand that the shocks & springs work as a unit, but what im saying is, the harshness of the ride (in the sense that i feel every nook & cranny on the road) is caused mainly due to stiff springs or damping rate? i imagined it would be the springs...but if my dampers were alredi pre-set in the factory to a higher rate (higher pressure???) then would it make any difference by changing to softer springs?

mine are hlsh, so i was thinking i could go for the softest available springs 5k 3k setup, then if i find it too soft - meaning the car is bouncing reli bad uncontrollably, then i could compensate by adjusting the dampers harder...makes sense?

sorry for the noob questions...guess im just wondering if my current dampers are alredi set reli hard to the point where changing to softer springs will not improve my ride...

if the damping was same... change into softer springs means less absorber work to do...the absorber control the spring movement up-down easier because spring soft so it doesnt fight back the absorber too much......

so if now damping set to hard level...change into softer spring means u can change damper setting into softer setting as well...


changing into softer spring will makes your ride like euro/proton lotus handling....soft spring+high damping suspension.... slightly harsh on really2 uneven surface but very nice to drive... :proud:

 

[Izso]

mine are hlsh, so i was thinking i could go for the softest available springs 5k 3k setup, then if i find it too soft - meaning the car is bouncing reli bad uncontrollably, then i could compensate by adjusting the dampers harder...makes sense?

That is exactly what I would do.

Overly hard springs will affect ride comfort. That's a given. And stiffening the abs would stiffen the ride obviously, the thing you need to find out is what type of abs you are using. My previous Hyperflex II H/L/S/H was progressive, anything below 10 clicks was really bad in absorbing bumps on the road. 11 clicks was just nice (for me la) and it was a good compromise between soft and hard road handling (front absorbers). For my rear I put it to 8 clicks to match the front. It handled road bumps quite decently and wasn't too "magic carpet-ish" when going straight. But if I loaded with 2/3 adults at the rear I would stiffen it up to 11 or 12 clicks since it would sink. Obviously it made it bumpier but at least I wouldn't scrape speed bumps or sink too much.