Roll Cage in a Road Car - Legal/Illegal

[arturo]

i think what xtremeleo n the other sifus r saying is that a rollcage in a road car isnt going to be as safe as in a track car as a roll cage works in unison with a helmet and 4point harness to keep the driver away from the steel bars. when yr in an accident and the car flips, the standard seatbelt isnt going to keep you from flying all over the place and hitting yrself on those toughend steel tubes is worse than hitting all the glass n plastic panelling. yes the roll cage will improve rigidity and there will be less chance of the car cumpling when theres a flip with a roll cage but it still boils down to you flying around in a road car hitting the steel rollcage. besides, a real roll cage would make it really hard getting in and out of the car since there is normally a bar across the door too...not very sensible. if they somehow incorporate a roll cage into the chasis and ABC pillars without it intruding into the cabin space, it might be feasible but then that would then boil down to costs. r u willing to pay an additional 5k for a rollcage option when airbags would suffice for protection?

i remember a video of fifth gear taking a smart fortwo and crashing it into a concrete barrier at speeds...the damage didnt intrude into the cabin area but the occupants wouldnt have survived due to the massive g force imparted onto on impact. sometimes even if the car survives, the occupants dont. we are after all just meat bags!

 

[xtremeleo]

safety belts are 70% safer then air bags, plus u wont get injured when hitting it, lol

 

[JINEIL2EN]

wearing helmet(FIA) + seat belt are 130% safer than airbags as well..

 

[akuma]

I'd like 2 ask sum questions.I did ask sum frens in certain authority organizationa bt d legality of roll cage on road cars..they too sed it's illegal but whn i ask specifically whc part/law/rule stating it's illegal..they can't answer....1 of them holds a "Director" post sum more wei!hahahahha
but it is kinda true,w.out proper helmet n race suit n if ur roll cage has no padding,it IS indeed more dangerous thn not having a roll cage.....
i understand sum cars do haf roll cage frm d factory but dis r mostly half cage actually...so in d event of an accident,chances of d occupants hitting d cages r minimal,right?
but thn,wat abt d Neo Clubsport?it has a full cage n AFAIK,they dun come w padding,right?n dis r completely road legal car,no?now,how 2 explain dis ar?coz those cages r effectively "add-ons" too,right?
n since roll cages can b legalized in Japan or even certain part of d US,y not here in M'sia?

 

[bera]

IMHO...this argument falls in the same case with spot welding your chassis...yes it will increase the structural rigidity of the car and chassis and what not...same result can be obtain if we weld roll cage to our car... but then again...by saying that...i have to point out that every car (even F1 cars) have what they call crumple zone (the means to absorb force of impact)...if a car is built as rigid and hard as possible...all the forces if were to involve in an accident (god forbids) have to be absorb by the driver...which even with all the safety feature (multi point sealbelt...helmets airbag) will be useless...

 

[JINEIL2EN]

i just can said, i do not support Roll-Cage Legalize....

 

[tofu_manic]

without multi-point harnesses to strap u down and a helmet to jaga ur head...the rollcage itself is a safety hazard

 

[xtremeleo]

the thing with safety helmet is they limit ur vision, a safety hazard also tu..

 

[arturo]

the thing with safety helmet is they limit ur vision, a safety hazard also tu..

...and also interferes with the chick-dar reception.

 

[xtremeleo]

...and also interferes with the chick-dar reception.

hahaha, i have to strongly agree with dat one sir, hahaha....

 

[HKS-GT2835R]

rollcage in racecar: in accident, save car n save driver.
rollcage in road car: in accident, save car n kill driver

i like how you put it.
funny how that works huh?

 

[xtremeleo]

yes sir, funny indeed.. in a twisted kinda way..

 

[tofu_manic]

the thing with safety helmet is they limit ur vision, a safety hazard also tu..

the yellow helmet for contruction use ok kot

 

[xtremeleo]

the yellow helmet for contruction use ok kot

haha, funny.. can kot

 

[chaser288]

Guys, Just my views on this topic.

There are different types of roll-cages. There are roll cages for race car and there are roll-cages for road cars.

When i had my wira saloon, i had it installed with a street roll cage. This type of cage only has bars covering the A,B & C pillars only.

In the JPJ, it is not stated if roll-cage is legal or illegal or not. The only rule they said if that passengers must be able to get in and out of the car thru the doors without any obstruction.

Yes, i got stopped usually at road blocks, but after i told them about the ruling, they let me go.

 

[tecque]

Guys, Just my views on this topic.

There are different types of roll-cages. There are roll cages for race car and there are roll-cages for road cars.

When i had my wira saloon, i had it installed with a street roll cage. This type of cage only has bars covering the A,B & C pillars only.

In the JPJ, it is not stated if roll-cage is legal or illegal or not. The only rule they said if that passengers must be able to get in and out of the car thru the doors without any obstruction.

Yes, i got stopped usually at road blocks, but after i told them about the ruling, they let me go.

Wat kind of road block?? Polis or JPJ? U tell JPJ officer about the ruling?

 

[chaser288]

both....

 

[xtremeleo]

Guys, Just my views on this topic.

There are different types of roll-cages. There are roll cages for race car and there are roll-cages for road cars.

When i had my wira saloon, i had it installed with a street roll cage. This type of cage only has bars covering the A,B & C pillars only.

In the JPJ, it is not stated if roll-cage is legal or illegal or not. The only rule they said if that passengers must be able to get in and out of the car thru the doors without any obstruction.

Yes, i got stopped usually at road blocks, but after i told them about the ruling, they let me go.

thank you for the info sir, but i wud stay away from things dat give me unnecessary attention.. i have secrets, lol

 

[[PIMPIN]]

When I was in Australia, full roll cages are illegal but half cages weren't BUT if you had a 180sx or S15 for example then you're car is designated 2 seater similarly if you want to have a cage in a 4 door then you cannot carry rear passengers anymore. This IIRC because it's been awhile - old lah now.

But harnesses were legal to have in the car but illegal for road use because if you crashed say outside of the city area and needed to be saved as car burns etc, the average person may not know how to free you. Although its straight forward, their laws don't allow for taking chances.

NOS was also illegal for use on the street but you can have the system hooked up while running on the road but the tank must either be removed or empty (usually remove is best).

At the end of the day, the laws are made to protect the majority of road users driving normal cars in normal conditions at normal speeds etc.

 

[jamesweh]

Thank you for such detailed replies. I guess the argument that what is safe on track vs road is logical. Fireman extracting an accident victim may have problem handling a safety harness also have problems cutting up the car using "Jaws of Life".
But still in this case the R3 Club Sport with a full roll cage is deemed illegal.
My grouse as with a lot of forum members is the inconsistent JPJ policies!