Driven: The new Proton Inspira 1.8 manual

[advangt]

which country using taxpayers money to start a car manufacturer?
so now u pls tell me wats the good living here over SG? whack ppl don need to be jailed?
u using ppl money failed in a business, n u demand everyone to shut the fck up?
don under y u ever want drag Sg into dis, Sg is one of the TOP 3 COUNTRY of WHOLE WORLD, ppl who wanted to migrate to...

u think all car manufacturers start with their own company money ka?aiyoo..
my sister was a sg pr because she married with a sg person and i know how's the living expenses there.everyday need to struggle living and compete with each others there.maybe if u got time can take a look here www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Singapore&country2=Malaysia
i don't understand why u said using people money and failed ? whois failing?proton?u don't seems getting the right picture about what's proton are doing do u?because u're a negative minded person i think. p1 also pay tax .every person /company related to proton also pay tax u know.

if u wan to talk about subsidies then lot can be talk dy... better not go too far...
where is the money they made from PETRONAS? once i heard our country petro price is the most expensive, among those country which doing same like us exporting oil...

yes..there's alot that can be talk about subsidies and u can find urself if u want and i don't think u want to know because there's nothing benefit it (subsidies) to u i suppose.where's the money made from PETRONAS? u can call the person in charge with it.don't shy-shy or afraid to ask them .
we're talking about inspira and i don't want to discuss about other not related thread here.i'm not the person who incharge of managing the country.maybe u should be one of them...:proud:

 

[pakram]

Lancer guys.. dont be angry & worry. Buying a car is not gain our money.. Lancer GT still got their own 2nd hand market price, but slightly lower than we aspect before. But nevermine, after 5 year your car value will be maintained slowly decrease becoz of inspira (2nd hand market demands)... Futhermore you will find your car maintenance coz will become lower than before.. Is't right?...

Others ppl... Other cars between this price range or its class will compete some more... Maybe they will put on more discount... yehaa..

Everybody got benefits.. Is't was not a good idea?

Come on... be hepi everybody..!!

 

[honda]

u tell me which car company start with taxpayers money. don aiyoo.
10/10 ppl i knew who r malaysian lived in Sg now get better life. reason, they pay lesser for everything, cheaper food, cheaper cloth, cheaper entertainment.
yes, proton is doing bad n not better comparing to kia, hyundai, honda, Suzuki, toyota, nissan, mitsubishi, vw, fiat, alfa romeo, chevrolet, peugeot, bmw, benz.
u wan to tell me proton r so successful comparing to those country which don have their own car manufacturer?:stupid: compare with competitor la dude.
for fck u reminding me cendol shop business also pay tax ar.
ur link is rrreeeaaalllyyy a joke, 'Meal in Sg, Inexpensive Restaurant 8.34 $' the first line can stop me going through the rest dy... omg, i cant believe u post dis link.
don tell me black n white proof or ask dis n that lar, cut the crap.

if u cant accept the fact of losing in a competition, don compete.
ppl compete to get themself better n better, not lose already telling ppl atleast i qualify to be in the competition.

 

[NeuroOne]

im sorry if anyone is offended. i dont mean for anyone to migrate. its just a matter of saying.
seems like some ppl when comparing malaysia to other country, its like the other country is god-like.
its my POV.

and why people are still comparing Proton with manufacturers that have been on the scene for more than 50 years? Proton still a new kid on the block la. 25 years.
what Proton are achieving rite now is very good compared to what other new-kid-on-the-block are achieving.

almost half of the manufacturer u mentioned up there have collaboration, platform-sharing, engine-sharing.
so what is wrong with this Proton-Mitsu OEM collaboration?

 

[Charles]

The demographic is there, a few old timers ie. Miton, Tom etc etc whom i have seen from the day ZTH was born i can relate to back in our days we cant afford a new re-con AE86 or E30 M3 let alone the REAL McCoy. So whats the next best solution? find a run of the mill plain vanilla AE85, Mitsu CB or E30 and scourge the parts to make it the real thing. Back in those days did we have the internet to bitch our sorrows? nah....we dont even bitch why this was more expensive and govern bla bla bla because we were too busy trying to find jobs to fuel our passion....
Kids have it easy these days, i understand the world have changed but it gets to a ridiculous stage ppl have no idea the 'value' of working your ass off to try to finance the car of your dream. Usually the easy way out would be to just hold a hand out to their parents(those who are lucky) and just ASK.
My son asked for a RC car for his birthday last week, i was goddamn happy because he exhibits the passion for cars like his dad. I PRAY hard evernight he doesnt end up like bashers and keyboard warriors in this thread....i do NOT intend to roll to my grave.
Rants....

 

[honda]

NeuroOne,
its allright to share ur POV, only typical ppl will critisize others to migrate or watsover.
allright, back to line n cut the wat land better thingy.

segment c n segment b r the most highly demand model in market.
will u ever see toyota rebadge for vios,altis,camry? honda for city,civic,accord? mazda for 2,3,6 series? bmw for 3,5,7 series? benz for c,e,s class?

such a important segment, proton rebadge it. dis lead ppl to think its a backstep for proton.

 

[NeuroOne]

for BMW or Merc it is impossible for them to rebadge la kan.
gila la, world class manufacturer how can share. haha.
anyway, toyota are a big time manufacturer and honda is right up there too.

as for Mazda, they have this platform sharing too, with Ford, started way back in 1979..

 

[E-CB3 - 666]

development of the Inspira however cost just RM250 million. That’s about RM500 million cheaper to build a car that is leaps and bounds better than the Waja!

1) 25years this what proton think about?

2) i believe all every one here realize that even the rookie korean car maker, develop own car from scratch.

3) How old is Kia or Hyundai?

4) when will they learn that making car & selling them. they should focus on making it ( $$$$ ) Globally instead focus on local sale

5) wait. buy proton also pay custom tax duty? whaaattt??

6) im lost of proton true intention of making cars from the beginning year. shouldn't they sell rakyat affordable cars? how much is this inspira again?

7) is this what the current CEO do? save money on making on quality product cars? ermm where the quality?

8) as far as expirience of owning the hopeless proton brand. the only model i was so so ok with was iswara cares U.K export model, wira 1.8 dohc & savvy.

again proton only came out with 250mill on development on this piece of *%#$ ?
how much are they selling it for?
i most probably wait till it come out as 2nd car for sell to buy it. more $$$$$$$ saving. later opt for evo's part.

i personally lost huge amount of cash on 1st facelift model of perdana 2004 2year ownership exp. till now i curse that Stupid car. 1st year only 6time send for warranty, buy that car for proton to keep at service center? bloody H

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development of the Inspira however cost just RM250 million. That’s about RM500 million cheaper to build a car that is leaps and bounds better than the Waja!

1) 25years this what proton think about?

2) i believe all every one here realize that even the rookie korean car maker, develop own car from scratch.

3) How old is Kia or Hyundai?

4) when will they learn that making car & selling them. they should focus on making it ( $$$$ ) Globally instead focus on local sale

5) wait. buy proton also pay custom tax duty? whaaattt?? :stupid:

6) im lost of proton true intention of making cars from the beginning year. shouldn't they sell rakyat affordable cars? how much is this inspira again? :sleep:

7) is this what the current CEO do? save money on making on quality product cars? ermm where the quality? :hmmmm:

8) as far as expirience of owning the hopeless proton brand. the only model i was so so ok with was iswara cares U.K export model, wira 1.8 dohc & savvy.

again proton only came out with 250mill on development on this piece of *%#$ ?
how much are they selling it for?
i most probably wait till it come out as 2nd car for sell to buy it. more $$$$$$$ saving. later opt for evo's part.

i personally lost huge amount of cash on 1st facelift model of perdana 2004 2year ownership exp. till now i curse that Stupid car. 1st year only 6time send for warranty, buy that car for proton to keep at service center? bloody H

 

[DanzEterna]

at the begining proton should have joint venture with VW,
i think by now the persona, exora, neo etc..will have DSG gearboxes....

 

[E-CB3 - 666]

forgot to mention. mazda is ford motor inc subsidiary company.

Brands and marques

Today, Ford Motor Company manufactures automobiles under several names including Lincoln and Mercury in the United States. Ford plans to discontinue the Mercury brand at the end of 2010.[36] In 1958, Ford introduced a new marque, the Edsel, but poor sales led to its discontinuation in 1960. Later, in 1985, the Merkur brand was introduced to market Fords from Europe in the United States; it met a similar fate in 1989.

Ford has major manufacturing operations in Canada, Mexico, the United Kingdom, Germany, Turkey, Brazil, Argentina, Australia, the People's Republic of China, and several other countries, including South Africa where, following divestment during apartheid, it once again has a wholly owned subsidiary. Ford also has a cooperative agreement with Russian automaker GAZ.

Ford acquired British sports car maker Aston Martin in 1989, but sold it on March 12, 2007,[37] retaining a small minority stake,[38] and bought Volvo Cars of Sweden in 1999, selling it to Zhejiang Geely Holding Group in 2010. In November 2008 it reduced its 33.4% controlling interest in Mazda of Japan, to a 13.4% non-controlling interest.[39][40] It shares an American joint venture plant in Flat Rock, Michigan called Auto Alliance with Mazda. It has spun off its parts division under the name Visteon.

Ford sold the United Kingdom-based Jaguar and Land Rover companies and brands to Tata Motors of India in March 2008.

Ford's FoMoCo parts division sells aftermarket parts under the Motorcraft brand name.

Ford's non-manufacturing operations include organizations such as automotive finance operation Ford Motor Credit Company. Ford also sponsors numerous events and sports facilities around the US, most notably Ford Center in downtown Oklahoma City and Ford Field in downtown Detroit.

Overall the Ford Motor Company controls the following operational car marques: Ford, Lincoln and Mercury.

that why share. e.g :

VW, Audi & porsche joint platform

The first Porsche car, the Porsche 64 of 1938, used many components from the Volkswagen Beetle.

collaboration in 1969 to make the VW-Porsche 914 and 914-6, whereby the 914-6 had a 6-cylinder Porsche engine, and the standard 914 had a 4-cylinder Volkswagen engine, and in 1976 with the Porsche 912E (USA only), and the Porsche 924, which used many Audi components and was built at an Audi Neckarsulm factory. Most 944s also were built there, although they used far fewer VW components.

The Porsche Cayenne, introduced in 2002, shares its entire chassis with VW Touareg and Audi Q7, which are built at the Volkswagen factory in Bratislava


while mercedes benz & Chrysler. in which is Daimler AG formerly DaimlerChrysler
was slk & crossfire

The Crossfire shares 80%[7] of its components with other Mercedes-Benz models. The engine bay of the Crossfire is virtually identical to the Mercedes-Benz SLK320 on the R170 platform. This engine bay has now been proven capable of housing Mercedes V8 engines, which increases the car's performance considerably.[8] The wheelbase and track width are also identical to the SLK320. The seats from the SLK320 bolt directly into the Crossfire chassis.

did they copy / cut paste their model?

ssangyong did not copy mercedes? NO. they use mercedes technology? yes only engine & gear wise

fiat
did ferrari force fiat to badge fiat cars as ferrari? or other wise?

did VW force seat, skoda copy paste VW model? VW own this fellas, did they redo every model given from VW? Yes

why all this company do so? Pride of building cars.

not road moving carcass

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we did platform sharing with mitsubishi?

we didnt platform sharing, proton buy off mitsubishi's left over like long time before & proton will still continue till next 20years:stupid:

ford & mazda is parent company transfer tech deals
mitsubishi is not proton parent company maaa..


some how proton is just a company who pick up left over carcass to be re-essemble. ups sorry re-badge for max out profit.

try giving this one to TG ( BBC Topgear ) review?

 

[Starkiller]

Why are people still arguing about this? -.-

 

[xtremeleo]

try giving this one to TG ( BBC Topgear ) review?

a very good suggestion sir, i cant wait for what they have to say..

 

[Mat_Isam]

very hot topic here....in one reason i think all RUNNER up here should thanks
proton especially who always selling mitsubishi parts.....i see the market for proton
inspira for the next 5 years....yeah like now wira is converting into evo 1,2,3...etc.
how many people are making money with this method...kedai potong off course lah...
but many kecik2 runner also can make money.....thanks proton...hehehe

 

[PutraMon]

how come every forum also will have this thread...lol...can't escape..

 

[azzrizul]

arguing in here will not stop proton from selling the car..
i think the car will sell well n maybe the haters will learn to accept the new car..
u can bash all u wan but the world still keep on spinning...

 

[E-CB3 - 666]

yes it wont stop proton from selling this piece. that was not the original intention anyway

proton should realize

1) customer are always right

2) perhaps im not the only person here whose disappointed with proton. ( coz i was 1 of the hopefulls with quality proton end product )

3) no means i & i believe not only me alone. believe proton can do better, this criticism is for proton to improve matter. not make bad product. copycat to save 250mill & profits 600%

4) how would you feel if proton make quality product? me personally proud. especially if we can hear compliment on its end product.

5) have you ever heard malaysian student studying abroad proud of proton? in my case : unheard of

6) have you watch any international Auto TV mags eg: BBC TopGear, Fifth Gear, German TV show Called DMAX give compliment or test Proton ?
yes they did give compliment on Proton savvy & that was it

proton should grow up & change their typical :stupid: photostat/copy machine mentality


proton = :sleep:

 

[honda]

y would someone call another a basher/hater? becos they just support blindly.
u ask G stop supporting proton, see they still can dancing around n making fun or not.

 

[EGNINE]

[/COLOR]y would someone call another a supporter/pro?becos they just bash blindly hehehe

plz dun take my word seriously..hope u still can laugh reading this hehe

 

[khellvinne]

like or don't like, this car will be hot in selling, i'm not surprise all the so call basher or haters later also own 1...
unless they are rich to buy other car, and if is so, they wont be here in this thread. (because non of their business)

 

[standadkilang]

i sold my A31 n buy persona...2.0 turbo downgrade to 1.6 na...the biggest mistake in mylife... brand new car with old problems...fuhh...after this "say NO to PROTON"..