Satria evo or vtec???

[KeeSeong]

Hi all sifus,

I’m in a dilemma in btw wad car to buy hehe given my budget is tight.. ard 20k..
All the while i have been eyeing on satria gti convert to evo since I’m turbo fans hehe

My questions are, satria gti converted to Evo is it reliable? I mean is it fun to drive in terms of performance n handling? Is it problematic? Bcoz some of my friends advise to go for vtec.

The reason I seek for sifus advice is bcoz I’m afraid I will regret :( if things turn out is not wad I expected...

 

[ixeo]

Buy it if you're ready to spend time in workshop. Day in day out.

Easiest modified car to maintain is a Kelisa/Kenari with a K3VET YRV inside. Since its "plug and play", with the whole subframe swapped in.

 

[KeeSeong]

Buy it if you're ready to spend time in workshop. Day in day out.

Easiest modified car to maintain is a Kelisa/Kenari with a K3VET YRV inside. Since its "plug and play", with the whole subframe swapped in.

 

[KeeSeong]

Wah... scary man!!!
Given my tight budget, reli can’t afford for the scary maintenance...
Is it the engine tat cause problem or the conversion?? Will it cause problem if I Maintain low boost.. enjoying the touge haha

 

[ixeo]

Wah... scary man!!!
Given my tight budget, reli can’t afford for the scary maintenance...
Is it the engine tat cause problem or the conversion?? Will it cause problem if I Maintain low boost.. enjoying the touge haha

Wiring and the mechanical problems due to the transplant.

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

well... if u plan to have it as weekend car... then evo3 gti is better fun...


if u rely only that car for daily, then vtec...


mind u vtec part price (rarenesss) is so damm high and fast moving item....


atleast for evo3 is slightly lower in the market price...


both evo and vtec no problem to find workshop later on...

 

[KeeSeong]

well... if u plan to have it as weekend car... then evo3 gti is better fun...


if u rely only that car for daily, then vtec...


mind u vtec part price (rarenesss) is so damm high and fast moving item....


atleast for evo3 is slightly lower in the market price...


both evo and vtec no problem to find workshop later on...

thanks for the comments.. tat would definitely be my weekend car as I already have a daily car.

Basically jus for fun drive.. my concern is the availability of parts as Evo 3 (normally transplant in gti) is quite old.

And the engine transplant issue /wiring as wad ixeo mentioned. Tats y I hope any owner of Satria evo can giv their 2cents.. hehe

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

thanks for the comments.. tat would definitely be my weekend car as I already have a daily car.

Basically jus for fun drive.. my concern is the availability of parts as Evo 3 (normally transplant in gti) is quite old.

And the engine transplant issue /wiring as wad ixeo mentioned. Tats y I hope any owner of Satria evo can giv their 2cents.. hehe

if you worry about wiring issue.. then just do full check on the car conversion history especially on wiring side... (usually they just joint wiring starting from driver seat area joint to rear of satria wiring.. (front wiring using full set from evo3 halfcut) <--- this method usually pretty reliable....


if transplant was done with merged wiring in driver footwell/dahsboard area... need to open up the loom at ecu and at driver footwell see the wiring job quality...if done properly...no worries...


because on engine, the mounting and everything is plug n play to wira/satria chassis...


only another key area to check is if there any chassis crack near the front suspension tower and around them especially near the firewall/windscreen wiper there...if got stress crack mark...then u were looking for proper chassis repair/strengthening job later on..

i think thats it... as evo3 parts can kacuk between vr4,gsr1.8t,evo1,evo2,proton,perdana 4g63sohc to name a few..

 

[KeeSeong]

if you worry about wiring issue.. then just do full check on the car conversion history especially on wiring side... (usually they just joint wiring starting from driver seat area joint to rear of satria wiring.. (front wiring using full set from evo3 halfcut) <--- this method usually pretty reliable....


if transplant was done with merged wiring in driver footwell/dahsboard area... need to open up the loom at ecu and at driver footwell see the wiring job quality...if done properly...no worries...


because on engine, the mounting and everything is plug n play to wira/satria chassis...


only another key area to check is if there any chassis crack near the front suspension tower and around them especially near the firewall/windscreen wiper there...if got stress crack mark...then u were looking for proper chassis repair/strengthening job later on..

i think thats it... as evo3 parts can kacuk between vr4,gsr1.8t,evo1,evo2,proton,perdana 4g63sohc to name a few..

Thanks for the advise ☺, will look into the areas u mentioned above.

Hopefully after the above issue been tackled, I will have a fun ride haha

 

[vr2turbo]

Satria with Evo engine legal?

 

[6UE5t]

Maybe just get Satria GTI then swap in low compression pistons and turbo from the Lancer GSR, so it's much easier, 100% still legal coz still using the same 4G93 engine, no electrical issues coz no swapping, and stock power already 200HP which is enough to beat VTEC Civics plus much easier to extract even more power since it's turbo.

 

[vr2turbo]

Vtec need to drive in high rpm range.....

 

[lsm1991]

Vtec need to drive in high rpm range.....

all hail the torqueless wonder!!

seriously, low down nothing much, then again evos also kene build boost

 

[mADmAN]

from my profile picture.....u can tell that im a honda guy.....love them to bits and have had my fun with EF and EG hatches.

so my answer to the question is.... satria EVO or GSR.

u think VTECs no do cut n splice wiring for transplants? same thing ler... oso got cut n paste issues. only if u get the original chassis like EF9, DA6, EG6, EG9, DC2, DB8, EK4, EK9 (which are still using B series engines) may not have the issue. and these chassis tends to be above TS's RM20k budget.....bcoz original mah.

so considering TS's budget, no real choice but to go for satria. and a well maintained satria turbo will have maintenance roughly the same as a standard NA car. whatever car it is... the harder u drive it.. the harder u maintain it. simple as that.

satrias are also very good platforms and the handling is pretty damn good. plus being a local car, and having such a HUGE market in malaysia, parts are in abundance, and cheap...aftermarket and original....plus u can also use mitsubishi alternatives for certain parts. also almost any mechanic under any tree will know how to maintain the car (maybe not the evo engine, but the rest of the car). while hondas on the other hand...will have expensive parts which can be hard to find...even brand new.

u think hondas reliable? the engine's VTEC system itself generally is... but the parts surrounding the engine and its implementation deserves a huge facepalm. distributor issues, TPS issues, IACV issues...syncro issues.. bla bla bla.... and like all things honda.... everything is expensive. if u blow a b series engine, expect to pay a hefty bill cosidering they are getting lesser and lesser which are causing prices to sky rocket.

dont get me wrong...i still love hondas...but i just dont think they are worth it anymore...especially the risk of theft. this got so bad that i rarely ever took my car out of my house for fear of being stolen....to a point i only drive it to the car wash to wash it after it got soooo dusty after sitting still for a long time.

another thing with hondas... ull have to deal with the hate. this brand community is the most hated brand in the world....not just malaysia ya.. the WORLD. and the thing i hate most with hondas, are the people that drive them.... they think coz they drive hondas they are so high n mighty... they are a real man's man... handsome, macho etc... but when someone post "fuck vtec/honda" on FB.... they start whining like a bunch of pussies. for years i was embarassed to admit i am a "honda guy" even though i loved driving my honda.

seriously... go with what u like... since u like the turbo... go with it...

turbos are a different beast altogether. more power to begin with... and much easier to gain more power than VTECs.

EDIT: holy crap... thats a long post! hahahahahha

 

[Izso]

VTEC vs Evo Satria... I'd say neither since you want turbo. BMW E36 1jz for the turbo!

But all options if incorrectly modded or swapped, it'll be a workshop queen. I bloody hate that

 

[vr2turbo]

all hail the torqueless wonder!!

seriously, low down nothing much, then again evos also kene build boost

I drive the Evo great grand father and quite happy with the low end lugging around town. Is the build up of boost to go to higher speed which is slow.....lol

 

[stupidcar]

If u are tight. NA is always less worries.

 

[6UE5t]

all hail the torqueless wonder!!

seriously, low down nothing much, then again evos also kene build boost

Don't boost too high so can still use relatively higher compression piston and less lag using smaller turbo. Anyway it's a small FWD car so 200hp is more than enough or else you'd chew up the front tires fast!

 

[ixeo]

from my profile picture.....u can tell that im a honda guy.....love them to bits and have had my fun with EF and EG hatches.

so my answer to the question is.... satria EVO or GSR.


EDIT: holy crap... thats a long post! hahahahahha

Surely Honda won't generate as much hate as Myvi in Malaysia. Effing Myvi drivers.

 

[mADmAN]

Surely Honda won't generate as much hate as Myvi in Malaysia. Effing Myvi drivers.

Nolah...myvis are awesome ler....amazing lil cars....absolute beauties...very powerful....n a real joy to drive

P/s- im a myvi driver now hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

 

[ixeo]

Nolah...myvis are awesome ler....amazing lil cars....absolute beauties...very powerful....n a real joy to drive

P/s- im a myvi driver now hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

You ahole. I have one parked right in front of me, in my house. The 1.5L manual damn stupid fast versus Vios I-made-it-in-life TRD version.

 

[mADmAN]

Waaaaaahahahahahahahahahha

 

[Izso]

Nolah...myvis are awesome ler....amazing lil cars....absolute beauties...very powerful....n a real joy to drive

P/s- im a myvi driver now hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha

SAY IT AINT SO! You sold Banshee for a Myvi? Which generation?

 

[vr2turbo]

Don't boost too high so can still use relatively higher compression piston and less lag using smaller turbo. Anyway it's a small FWD car so 200hp is more than enough or else you'd chew up the front tires fast!

Yup, Last time when I told my friends I change 2 tyres every 15k or so, they say what?

 

[mADmAN]

SAY IT AINT SO! You sold Banshee for a Myvi? Which generation?

it is so my friend... big change in life so kinda need to

first gen 1.3 auto..... and pink

hahahahahhahahahahahaha.....

n yes... im serious about the pink... wakakakakakakanasai

 

[4gbanger]

i have 1 myvi as well. its a 1.5l auto, fat mid torque, going up genting with full passenger and aircond like a boss. no wonder so many myvi chasing other car like hell.

 

[Izso]

it is so my friend... big change in life so kinda need to

first gen 1.3 auto..... and pink

hahahahahhahahahahahaha.....

n yes... im serious about the pink... wakakakakakakanasai

you... you... disappoint me. I expect to see a large exhaust, a BOT or K3VET transplant and recaros. And 16" rim with BBK.

 

[KeeSeong]

I prefer Evo over gsr bcoz I heard some owner of gsr changed to lower compression piston in order to boost higher to get abt 300hp.. when speed is fun but when u wan to have a slower ride, due to low compression the car is slow. in short, is either u damm fast or damm slow haha. If u remain stock condition, boosting @ 0.5bar, macam bawa mivec. Lolzz

As compare to evo, displacement is bigger (2.0) so it won’t have such problem...

I have found a gti converted to Evo1 (stock condition) selling 26k.. is it worth buy?

 

[mag9556]

I prefer Evo over gsr bcoz I heard some owner of gsr changed to lower compression piston in order to boost higher to get abt 300hp.. when speed is fun but when u wan to have a slower ride, due to low compression the car is slow. in short, is either u damm fast or damm slow haha. If u remain stock condition, boosting @ 0.5bar, macam bawa mivec. Lolzz

As compare to evo, displacement is bigger (2.0) so it won’t have such problem...

I have found a gti converted to Evo1 (stock condition) selling 26k.. is it worth buy?

if you feel ok on the body then go ahead since parts still can find outside on the ware and tare parts.
I really like Satria, even i regret to sold off my Satria vr4 engine.
let me tell you the pro and cons

pro
if you dont have elephant legs, the FC is superb for long and short distance
parts are easy to get and maintained since it is still proton
engine part also easy to get
easy increase hp by a bit boost up
the sound is superb rather than those cutting tree machine sound (sorry ya, i am not saying vtec ya :p)
very nice to drive

cons
old tech, a lot of maintenance need to do and refurbish
manual trans.. stuck in jam, good for exercise
heavy engine at front, front suspension are stiff become bumpy like riding motorboat
need to be very friend with wireman and also foreman since you dont know when you might need them since the wiring and also engine already old

*** standby extra money and prepare for emergency in case your lover in ICU (means your car.. hahaha) ***

I ended maintaining my Kancil L5 (planing to sell off) and now driving Alza with low boost better, no need headache when roadblock also easy to maintain..

Good Luck


Add on edit : Prepare some cash when you want to boost up, if not later your lover will sleep at ICU for long.. Got a lot of friends E3 engine blown when they boost to 1 bar..

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

i have 1 myvi as well. its a 1.5l auto, fat mid torque, going up genting with full passenger and aircond like a boss. no wonder so many myvi chasing other car like hell.

untill the speed stopped increasing at around 160km/h or so