need help wit my starter??

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dear sifuses,

my problem is, the starter wont stop working even when the engine already starts, even more surprisingly it's still working when I turned off the key. thought it was the relay problem, changed wit my horn relay still problem persist, spent a bit more & use a new 1 just making sure & stil same problem, it even burnt my jumper coz starter wont stop, luckily nothing severe happened, if the other car engine wasn't running bet it'll drain the batt 2. any thoughts @ this prob??:banghead::banghead:
 

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Ignition switch problem or wiring. Current still going to starter from battery direct.
 

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thx for the reply, ask mech he said sumthing inside starter maybe stuck, it moves out when starting & supposed to come back in when engine starts. if it is so, if the car edi start which wire should I disconnect but engine should still run. thx for your enlightenment sifuses:adore:
 

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maybe the solenoid got problem, thus keeping the starter motor running instead of being disengaged.
 

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maybe the solenoid got problem, thus keeping the starter motor running instead of being disengaged.
Yup, the power actually goes to the solenoid first that powers the starter. Chinese mechanic call it the mouse. This is attached to the side of the starter.....


The smaller unit is the solenoid
 

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Yup, the power actually goes to the solenoid first that powers the starter. Chinese mechanic call it the mouse. This is attached to the side of the starter.....


The smaller unit is the solenoid
if I'm not wrong, both starter & solenoid needs the batt power to runs rite, should I detach both supply or either way is possible or just take out the relay, coz I want to make sure that I can ride my car to w/shop to change the starter without having other problems on the way.
 

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if I'm not wrong, both starter & solenoid needs the batt power to runs rite, should I detach both supply or either way is possible or just take out the relay, coz I want to make sure that I can ride my car to w/shop to change the starter without having other problems on the way.
try swap the relay first
 

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try swap the relay first
You another one did not read...haha TS mentioned he switch the relay already

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if I'm not wrong, both starter & solenoid needs the batt power to runs rite, should I detach both supply or either way is possible or just take out the relay, coz I want to make sure that I can ride my car to w/shop to change the starter without having other problems on the way.
Not sure if yours is the same but basically is like this. The ignition switch trigger the power through the relay to the solenoid. This will trigger the solenoid to take power from the battery directly and trigger the starter. Here....
 

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You another one did not read...haha TS mentioned he switch the relay already

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Not sure if yours is the same but basically is like this. The ignition switch trigger the power through the relay to the solenoid. This will trigger the solenoid to take power from the battery directly and trigger the starter. Here....

forgot read it realier but still want to write that :rofl:



try ketuk2 the solenoid with spanner/plier or any metal that can reach there a bit to see it the stuck came from solenoid or switch at steering in the first place...
 

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forgot read it realier but still want to write that :rofl:



try ketuk2 the solenoid with spanner/plier or any metal that can reach there a bit to see it the stuck came from solenoid or switch at steering in the first place...
See bro. twist result after checking......:driver:
 

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if u are close to your mechanic, he could actually change the carbon brush inside it, the last time did it for RM60.
used starter costs bout RM150.
Brother, his starter running without the key, carbon brush problem?....:smokin::biggrin:
 

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forgot read it realier but still want to write that :rofl:



try ketuk2 the solenoid with spanner/plier or any metal that can reach there a bit to see it the stuck came from solenoid or switch at steering in the first place...
hmm thought the method if starter cannot run oni, give it a try than but still hasn't got the time to do yet:banghead:

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if u are close to your mechanic, he could actually change the carbon brush inside it, the last time did it for RM60.
used starter costs bout RM150.
now not much mech want to do it, why need do extra time when u can order & do other car while waiting + rm150 to repair a car can consider cheap edi.
 

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hmm thought the method if starter cannot run oni, give it a try than but still hasn't got the time to do yet:banghead:

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now not much mech want to do it, why need do extra time when u can order & do other car while waiting + rm150 to repair a car can consider cheap edi.
not what the starter...but whack the solenoid above it....maybe that stuck on position....
 

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Just to share my experience when this happen to me long ago on a diesel pajero , i was doing fuel system bleeding that require the engine to be crank for quite sometime , then the starter keep on cranking even with ignition switch in lock position til the starter started to smoking , i quickly disconnect the neg battery terminal & took the starter out to a starter motor & alternator rebuilder and they found out that the soleniod contact has welded together because of the heat of continous cranking , just got the soleniod replaced and the starter was working again ... they also said starter should be crank for maximum 10sec thn let it cool off for 20secs only continue to crank , if continue crank non stop for long time either the soleniod contact would be welded or the motor get fried .
 

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Just to share my experience when this happen to me long ago on a diesel pajero , i was doing fuel system bleeding that require the engine to be crank for quite sometime , then the starter keep on cranking even with ignition switch in lock position til the starter started to smoking , i quickly disconnect the neg battery terminal & took the starter out to a starter motor & alternator rebuilder and they found out that the soleniod contact has welded together because of the heat of continous cranking , just got the soleniod replaced and the starter was working again ... they also said starter should be crank for maximum 10sec thn let it cool off for 20secs only continue to crank , if continue crank non stop for long time either the soleniod contact would be welded or the motor get fried .
That is why when car cannot start, we crank and stop, crank and stop. Too long high current might just do what you mentioned.
Last time when working in car battery manufacturing factory many many years ago, we tested hooking up a copper cable from positive to negative terminals. Usually when the cable connects there will be sparks. What we did was connect it permanently onto the terminals. Within seconds the cable starts to warm up, then later copper cable starts to glow red, outer rubber casing starts to melt, then later the cable melted too. Just to show how strong the battery current is.....:burnout: