Good & Bad about Evo vs Subaru

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I know this topic had been discussed for age, but I want to know more, as in Malaysia market.
What good feature or bad thing about Evo vs Subaru, not in performance, or outlook, but other then that.
1. As I know , Subaru part are expensive then Evo in Malaysia market, how true is that ? They should be almost equal price, but some say Evo are cheaper, why?
2. Gear box reliability ? Subaru using Boxer engine, reliable if compare to Evo engine ?
3. Resell value - Subaru resale value is a lower compare to Evo, I had no idea why ?
4. Turbo lag ? Subaru or Evo which have more turbo lag ?
5. Other ?

Remark : Subaru Ver 8 or above, Evo 7 or above
 

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i believe u can gather info in all that already been discussed topics...spend some time to search and read. i believe u will get all yr answers there...happy searching...cheers
 

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Subaru parts more expensive? Probably due to its boxer engine which is rather unconventional compared to the usual 4 banger found in Evo. Besides, many of Evo's parts are compatible with other cars which might be the reason why its parts are cheaper because they are available in larger quantities compared to parts for Subaru?
 

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Don't have a good impression towards Impreza heart once my friend had it burnt conrod, car was only 20k mileage.
 

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Comparing Evo and Subaru is like comparing a pair of twin sisters who are characteristically different from one another. On the surface, it appears both are the same.. traits like AWD system, turbocharged engine.. like twins having a pair of big eyes, small lips..

But when you go in depth you will see the differences.. makes the saying same same but different rings true.

The answers you seek lies here.

For people in ZTH, Evo vs Subaru is irrelevant, they are both good cars, what matters is... which do you see in your dream. Because given enough money, time and effort, one can easily be modified to be better than the other. And the battle goes on...
 

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Comparing Evo and Subaru is like comparing a pair of twin sisters who are characteristically different from one another. On the surface, it appears both are the same.. traits like AWD system, turbocharged engine.. like twins having a pair of big eyes, small lips..

But when you go in depth you will see the differences.. makes the saying same same but different rings true.

The answers you seek lies here.

For people in ZTH, Evo vs Subaru is irrelevant, they are both good cars, what matters is... which do you see in your dream. Because given enough money, time and effort, one can easily be modified to be better than the other. And the battle goes on...
But lately Evo seems to have lost or pulled out from the battle. New WRX STI has been launched already but Mitsubishi is still stuck with Evo X. And there are rumors that they will stop the production of the Evo lineup soon...

Well, among the major difference in Evo VS WRX STI would be the engine layout, Straight 4 VS Boxer. The 4WD drivetrain, AYC VS DCCD. Newer Evo have valve timing technology, MIVEC but I think WRX STI doesn't have such feature isn't it?
 

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But lately Evo seems to have lost or pulled out from the battle. New WRX STI has been launched already but Mitsubishi is still stuck with Evo X. And there are rumors that they will stop the production of the Evo lineup soon...

Well, among the major difference in Evo VS WRX STI would be the engine layout, Straight 4 VS Boxer. The 4WD drivetrain, AYC VS DCCD. Newer Evo have valve timing technology, MIVEC but I think WRX STI doesn't have such feature isn't it?
Subaru AVCS technology... similar to MIVEC.

Stuff like straight 4 vs boxer.. AYC vs DCCD.. is the things I meant by..same same but different...
 

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But lately Evo seems to have lost or pulled out from the battle. New WRX STI has been launched already but Mitsubishi is still stuck with Evo X. And there are rumors that they will stop the production of the Evo lineup soon...

Well, among the major difference in Evo VS WRX STI would be the engine layout, Straight 4 VS Boxer. The 4WD drivetrain, AYC VS DCCD. Newer Evo have valve timing technology, MIVEC but I think WRX STI doesn't have such feature isn't it?
Don't be naive bro. People are starting Hybrid research. Subaru is still stuck.
Evo is clever to pull out instead of making losses.
 

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Don't be naive bro. People are starting Hybrid research. Subaru is still stuck.
Evo is clever to pull out instead of making losses.
Subaru selling better than Mitsubishi in the world's #2 largest car market - USA. The Subaru XV selling like hot cakes.

Ditto about the Impreza. Cars like Evo & WRX STi don't sell in huge volumes.
 

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Subaru selling better than Mitsubishi in the world's #2 largest car market - USA. The Subaru XV selling like hot cakes.

Ditto about the Impreza. Cars like Evo & WRX STi don't sell in huge volumes.
Yeah, but about the Evo and Impreza, not much anymore.
I would like to see how the Hybrid Evo turn out. :biggrin:
 

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Hopefully still got manual transmission... Lately everything also gone double clutch... :banghead:
The younger generations are pussies. They celebrate and jump in joy when they can take license test with automatic transmission.
 

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The younger generations are pussies. They celebrate and jump in joy when they can take license test with automatic transmission.
Can see that. I'm among the younger generations but I still support manual transmission. Some friends around my age even laughed at me for saying that I prefer manual over auto as they claimed that manual are for stupid people. In fact, never driven auto before. Din't feel like want to try.

Its really fun to drive stick but paddle shift eliminates mistakes and get faster shift times!!!
Maybe I'm really a pussy.
Sometimes it is more about feel than pure figures or shift times. The feeling of depressing and releasing the clutch while shifting the gearstick with your hands. You should try more if can.
 

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Can see that. I'm among the younger generations but I still support manual transmission. Some friends around my age even laughed at me for saying that I prefer manual over auto as they claimed that manual are for stupid people. In fact, never driven auto before. Din't feel like want to try.

Sometimes it is more about feel than pure figures or shift times. The feeling of depressing and releasing the clutch while shifting the gearstick with your hands. You should try more if can.
The fact that im talking about shift times and mistakes means Im talking about racing.

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Can see that. I'm among the younger generations but I still support manual transmission. Some friends around my age even laughed at me for saying that I prefer manual over auto as they claimed that manual are for stupid people. In fact, never driven auto before. Din't feel like want to try.



Sometimes it is more about feel than pure figures or shift times. The feeling of depressing and releasing the clutch while shifting the gearstick with your hands. You should try more if can.
I also prefer manual than auto, as I was used to the stiffness of racing clutch, now im on auto, my left leg tends to get numb haha....kinda boring driving auto even in jams too.
 

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Its really fun to drive stick but paddle shift eliminates mistakes and get faster shift times!!!
Maybe I'm really a pussy.
Personally I think it is more challenging for stick driving. The possibility of making mistakes, makes racing all more the fun.

Nobody is arguing about dual clutch vs manual that from a performance standpoint that DSG is indeed faster, but it disconnects the driver to machine.

For what its worth, I do not have any manual cars at home. Oh wait, I don't have cars at home, I sail a boat.

they claimed that manual are for stupid people. In fact, never driven auto before. Din't feel like want to try.
Manual is harder to drive than auto, and manual are for stupid people? You better stop hanging out with them, they must be some special kind of stupid.
 

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Subaru parts more expensive? Probably due to its boxer engine which is rather unconventional compared to the usual 4 banger found in Evo. Besides, many of Evo's parts are compatible with other cars which might be the reason why its parts are cheaper because they are available in larger quantities compared to parts for Subaru?

mainly because proton was based from mitsubishi...and that people recognize the evo series more than subie....

plus....most parts are compatible/interchangeable with proton = relatively cheaper parts...


meanwhile subie parts limited to their own...even their wheel pcd was 5x100 which is quite rare..including several car like volvo/ford
 

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Personally I think it is more challenging for stick driving. The possibility of making mistakes, makes racing all more the fun.

Nobody is arguing about dual clutch vs manual that from a performance standpoint that DSG is indeed faster, but it disconnects the driver to machine.

For what its worth, I do not have any manual cars at home. Oh wait, I don't have cars at home, I sail a boat.



Manual is harder to drive than auto, and manual are for stupid people? You better stop hanging out with them, they must be some special kind of stupid.
I like to drive MT as well don't get me wrong. Whenever theres a chance I drive my friend's Alfa MT. :biggrin:
Dude, your turbo autooo mehhh
 

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their left hand got other usage mah... since driving hot car with hot chick =P
inb4 enjoice left hand roaming passenger seat while driving manual :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::driver:
 

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Maybe I'm really a pussy.
I didn't catch anything else other than this. :biggrin: *ahem*

their left hand got other usage mah... since driving hot car with hot chick =P
Actually, that really is one thing I don't miss about driving a manual. Having a free hand to drink or hold my sandwich while driving. Could never do that with my manual. Damn inconvenient.
 

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Actually, that really is one thing I don't miss about driving a manual. Having a free hand to drink or hold my sandwich while driving. Could never do that with my manual. Damn inconvenient.
Sure, hold a sandwich. What's your definition of sandwich? Your hand sandwiched somewhere?
 

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I also prefer manual than auto, as I was used to the stiffness of racing clutch, now im on auto, my left leg tends to get numb haha....kinda boring driving auto even in jams too.
Your bimmer got manual also on other markets. But I was wondering whether is it possible to convert it to manual over here or has anyone you know or heard of doing such conversion? It was a nice sporty car to begin with, but the transmission somehow hinders the car's true potential.

Personally I think it is more challenging for stick driving. The possibility of making mistakes, makes racing all more the fun.

Nobody is arguing about dual clutch vs manual that from a performance standpoint that DSG is indeed faster, but it disconnects the driver to machine.

For what its worth, I do not have any manual cars at home. Oh wait, I don't have cars at home, I sail a boat.



Manual is harder to drive than auto, and manual are for stupid people? You better stop hanging out with them, they must be some special kind of stupid.
True, manual requires more skill to operate.

As for those people that I'm talking about, some of them said auto is good because they can sms and drive at the same time. Another even said, if he drive manual, he can't even concentrate to chat with passengers. :stupid:

mainly because proton was based from mitsubishi...and that people recognize the evo series more than subie....

plus....most parts are compatible/interchangeable with proton = relatively cheaper parts...


meanwhile subie parts limited to their own...even their wheel pcd was 5x100 which is quite rare..including several car like volvo/ford
Only old Evo stuff are compatible with Proton isn't it? Those new 4G63T terbalik is not compatible with Perdana, Satria, Wira anymore isn't it? But I think those can fit Waja, Gen 2, Satria Neo, Persona....
 

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Is boxer engine reliable ?
If talking about boxer engine themselves, should be okay. Look at Porsche sports car (Boxster, Cayman, 911) and those old VW Beetle. They've are also using boxer engines. As far as I know, they are reliable enough.
 

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Your bimmer got manual also on other markets. But I was wondering whether is it possible to convert it to manual over here or has anyone you know or heard of doing such conversion? It was a nice sporty car to begin with, but the transmission somehow hinders the car's true potential.

True, manual requires more skill to operate.

Manual might be fun but it's not competitive. Everything is more to semi-auto now in order for the driver to concentrate on driving rather than anything else.

Manual is a beeyatch since u cant have your hotdog if there's intermittent congestion..:biggrin:
 

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Is boxer engine reliable ?
Yes. The only unreliable engines I know of is rotary.

Manual might be fun but it's not competitive. Everything is more to semi-auto now in order for the driver to concentrate on driving rather than anything else.

Manual is a beeyatch since u cant have your hotdog if there's intermittent congestion..:biggrin:
I don't even want to know what [strike]man sausage[/strike] hotdog you are having.