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The 2020 City goes to town with new everything, including the much torqued about 253nm i-MMD hybrid engine. Looks pretty good in its RS trim as well.

Honda Malaysia hasn't revealed much else until its official launch in Q4 but judging from the teaser car, showing off its lanewatch cam and prominent windshield cam, the City seems set to get Honda Sensing which will likely include adaptive cruise control, lane keeping, auto emergency braking and such autonomous driving stuff, all in a Honda City. Sounds like a game changer if true, let's see.

 

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I wonder how long the battery can last and how much to replace tbh. Great tech & idea, not sure how reliable.
They've not mentioned the lithium ion battery capacity as well, I hope it gets a good fat e range
 

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Watched the video. So hot. I want.
 
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Well as long as u have petrol to generate the electricity hahahaha
Actually looking forward to a particular drive mode that brakes and regens when throttle is off, so a driver technically doesn't need to use the brake pedal to stop.

Not sure if it'll be in the new city, like this one:

 

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I can envision this car trying to cucuk behind other bigger cars on highway. Lol Tailights kinda like BMW G30?

Sexy lady btw!
 

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I can envision this car trying to cucuk behind other bigger cars on highway. Lol Tailights kinda like BMW G30?

Sexy lady btw!
In Malaysia, no chance, the legendary Myvi is the king of the road.
 

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very interesting tech.... the fella might not have much power at higher speeds tho since its got no gearbox

in a conventional car, the gearbox is a means to manipulate torque yea?
 

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In Malaysia, no chance, the legendary Myvi is the king of the road.
Bro, even now with the older City, I already saw quite often they drive like they own the road already wor! Maybe trying to dethrone Myvi.
 

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very interesting tech.... the fella might not have much power at higher speeds tho since its got no gearbox

in a conventional car, the gearbox is a means to manipulate torque yea?
Sorta, you can say that. I am more curious how all the naysayers will come and say the battery will spoil la, the motor will spoil la, blah blah blah.

HONESTLY, the real thing that kill batteries is heat. But in this implementation the battery is so small, ~1kWh if not mistaken. But it is in constant state of charge/discharge.

@Tom I couldn't find any information about this technology's battery cooling, may be a worthwhile article to readers worldwide on the lifespan & cooling of the battery. Provided its not a white elephant that Honda is trying to avoid. The Nissan Leaf is a complete disaster with no battery cooling lol.
 
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very interesting tech.... the fella might not have much power at higher speeds tho since its got no gearbox

in a conventional car, the gearbox is a means to manipulate torque yea?
This City don't need a gearbox coz the wheels are driven by electric motor and has no connection with the engine. The engine only has a single ratio 1:1 when it cuts in to help during the high speed mode. Correct me if im wrong. There's only a mechanism to make the connections switch between the wheels and electric motors and engine. Even for this city the Reverse is powered by the electric motor also.
 
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Sorta, you can say that. I am more curious how all the naysayers will come and say the battery will spoil la, the motor will spoil la, blah blah blah.

HONESTLY, the real thing that kill batteries is heat. But in this implementation the battery is so small, ~1kWh if not mistaken. But it is in constant state of charge/discharge.

@Tom I couldn't find any information about this technology's battery cooling, may be a worthwhile article to readers worldwide on the lifespan & cooling of the battery. Provided its not a white elephant that Honda is trying to avoid. The Nissan Leaf is a complete disaster with no battery cooling lol.
I think they be using liquid cooling the battery and this city is on Lithium Ion
 

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This City don't need a gearbox coz the wheels are driven by electric motor and has no connection with the engine. The engine only has a single ratio 1:1 when it cuts in to help during the high speed mode. Correct me if im wrong. There's only a mechanism to make the connections switch between the wheels and electric motors and engine. Even for this city the Reverse is powered by the electric motor also.
yea i get that, what i mean is, at lower gears, our torque is 'multiplied'.... without a gearbox what you have is one ratio

what im assuming is, if it has even a 3 or even 2 speed it would be able to accelerate faster (theoretically?)

only strange thing (from what i have read) is that the electric motor and ice doesnt seem to be able to run at the same time
 

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yea i get that, what i mean is, at lower gears, our torque is 'multiplied'.... without a gearbox what you have is one ratio

what im assuming is, if it has even a 3 or even 2 speed it would be able to accelerate faster (theoretically?)

only strange thing (from what i have read) is that the electric motor and ice doesnt seem to be able to run at the same time
electric motor working speed range don't need gearbox, you use an inverter to control it, in the city i believe it is also the same working method, the accelerator is like the adjuster knob for speed modulation, then the ECU tells the electric motor to speed up or slow down. Much like how we play with the speed variation of an electric motor via an inverter. The best example is electric forklift. You can cap the max speed or the electric motor or you can crank it up to the max.

Putting a 3 or 2 speed gearbox for the electric motor is redundant and it adds weights and also power lost.
 

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electric motor working speed range don't need gearbox, you use an inverter to control it, in the city i believe it is also the same working method, the accelerator is like the adjuster knob for speed modulation, then the ECU tells the electric motor to speed up or slow down. Much like how we play with the speed variation of an electric motor via an inverter. The best example is electric forklift. You can cap the max speed or the electric motor or you can crank it up to the max.

Putting a 3 or 2 speed gearbox for the electric motor is redundant and it adds weights and also power lost.
inverter drive make sense to me. Been puzzling me too like bro @lsm1991
factory using lots of inverter to control pump flowrate (can read motor rpm, frequency, amps..etc)
 

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electric motor working speed range don't need gearbox, you use an inverter to control it, in the city i believe it is also the same working method, the accelerator is like the adjuster knob for speed modulation, then the ECU tells the electric motor to speed up or slow down. Much like how we play with the speed variation of an electric motor via an inverter. The best example is electric forklift. You can cap the max speed or the electric motor or you can crank it up to the max.

Putting a 3 or 2 speed gearbox for the electric motor is redundant and it adds weights and also power lost.
hmmm have alot ot understand bout electric motors
 

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inverter drive make sense to me. Been puzzling me too like bro @lsm1991
factory using lots of inverter to control pump flowrate (can read motor rpm, frequency, amps..etc)
Yes, its easy you make changes at the inverter simple also. It also saves electric during motor start up as you don't get spikes
 

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hmmm have alot ot understand bout electric motors
The PCU (Power Control Unit) is the inverter in case of the city. The electric motor itself is just a motor, is the ECU and PCU are the brains that does all the signal receiving, calculation, controls, communications and send signal out to the electric motors, engines, clutch mechanism on what to do and when to do it.
 

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This City don't need a gearbox coz the wheels are driven by electric motor and has no connection with the engine. The engine only has a single ratio 1:1 when it cuts in to help during the high speed mode. Correct me if im wrong. There's only a mechanism to make the connections switch between the wheels and electric motors and engine. Even for this city the Reverse is powered by the electric motor also.
yeah after some research, the immd system is indeed very next gen.

To understand the immd and the no transmission idea, one must not assume it to be a regular hybrid car. it's quite the opposite, at least mostly when driven in the city.

here are my findings, which i hope will make it easy for all to understand

- It is more like an electric car with a petrol engine
- the petrol engine assists the electric drive
- the petrol engine runs in the background until car hit highway speeds
- Motor 1 does the regen like an alternator
- Motor 2 drive the wheels
- The petrol engine runs to either, or at the same time:
- - power motor 1, to charge battery, to power motor 2, to drive the front wheels
- - power motor 1, to charge battery
- - kick in at highway speeds
- there's no transmission because:
- - the car is driven primarily by an electric motor
- - the engine runs at a constant 6th gear metaphorically



Not sure if the upcoming Honda City immd's version matches but I found this video very helpful, it's not on the 1.5L immd specifically but provides a good idea

 

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yeah after some research, the immd system is indeed very next gen.

To understand the immd and the no transmission idea, one must not assume it to be a regular hybrid car. it's quite the opposite, at least mostly when driven in the city.

here are my findings, which i hope will make it easy for all to understand

- It is more like an electric car with a petrol engine
- the petrol engine assists the electric drive
- the petrol engine runs in the background until car hit highway speeds
- Motor 1 does the regen like an alternator
- Motor 2 drive the wheels
- The petrol engine runs to either, or at the same time:
- - power motor 1, to charge battery, to power motor 2, to drive the front wheels
- - power motor 1, to charge battery
- - kick in at highway speeds
- there's no transmission because:
- - the car is driven primarily by an electric motor
- - the engine runs at a constant 6th gear metaphorically



Not sure if the upcoming Honda City immd's version matches but I found this video very helpful, it's not on the 1.5L immd specifically but provides a good idea

Yup, honda make it a bit simpler for the mass to understand so that it doesn't sound so confusing to them so they still called the gear mechanism e-cvt. In the ads and the much spoken 253Nm is actually the torque generated by the electric motor and it has a small workable range for low speed. Much like short burst of power to get things moving up to speed a bit quicker.
 

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hmm did some homework... ur right... end of the day they dont really need a gearbox...
 

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My question is, what’s the warranty on this? If ANYTHING goes wrong, you’ll have to pay Honda Malaysia prices for this out of warranty.

5 years, ok fine. 8 years would be amazing and a winner. Then there’s the price. If it’s much higher than the current full spec City, I’ll rather use the same amount of money to get the X70. Get more car for the money.
 

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My question is, what’s the warranty on this? If ANYTHING goes wrong, you’ll have to pay Honda Malaysia prices for this out of warranty.

5 years, ok fine. 8 years would be amazing and a winner. Then there’s the price. If it’s much higher than the current full spec City, I’ll rather use the same amount of money to get the X70. Get more car for the money.
more electrical parts will be costly to fix. I don't think any outside mechanic can fix it... then, this car has to pakai buang like our other home electrical products.
 

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My question is, what’s the warranty on this? If ANYTHING goes wrong, you’ll have to pay Honda Malaysia prices for this out of warranty.

5 years, ok fine. 8 years would be amazing and a winner. Then there’s the price. If it’s much higher than the current full spec City, I’ll rather use the same amount of money to get the X70. Get more car for the money.
I think in this city case, probably the bearings on the electric motors, the clutch packs for the direct drive switch gear for the switching mechanism, the batteries but since it's a Li battery it will be better than the older batteries used in older hybrid, and the usual engine parts

Let's wait and see how things unfold
 

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more electrical parts will be costly to fix. I don't think any outside mechanic can fix it... then, this car has to pakai buang like our other home electrical products.
Still can repair, but by changing parts as a whole, like whole motor, whole this and that.......haha
 

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more electrical parts will be costly to fix. I don't think any outside mechanic can fix it... then, this car has to pakai buang like our other home electrical products.
I would treat cars with such tech like a premium brand front load washing machine. The motor that turns the drums, belting, body, doors, power cords, soap/detergent loader will definitely last.
What dont last is the control board...and cost a bomb to replace.
Batteries definitely needs to be replaced at certain point and the cost is key.

Remember our younger days playing with battery powered RC cars? One day it just stopped running even when the motor is still fine if we test it and we replaces the battery. We just cant figure out whats wrong and just throw it away.

Still, i would love to own a Tesla if i can afford it.
 
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We gotta start somewhere. As much as I hate to admit it - electric cars are the way of the automotive future unless someone commercializes hydrogen fuel cell or nuclear power.

However having said that I'd do what Ixeo do and let those who can afford it make it commercially viable for the rest of us normal folks. So in the meantime I'll keep buying petrol.
 
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We gotta start somewhere. As much as I hate to admit it - electric cars are the way of the automotive future unless someone commercializes hydrogen fuel cell or nuclear power.

However having said that I'd do what Ixeo do and let those who can afford it make it commercially viable for the rest of us normal folks. So in the meantime I'll keep buying petrol.
Wasn't electric looked into because they are afraid crude will soon run out..... :smokin:
 

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Wasn't electric looked into because they are afraid crude will soon run out..... :smokin:
not really.
As other people switch to electric, demand for dinosaur juice will drop, more juice for us!
 
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Actually crude oil has so much reserves, still have alot.
"There are 1.65 trillion barrels of proven oil reserves in the world as of 2016. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 46.6 times its annual consumption levels. This means it has about 47 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves). "
 
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Well with Euro clamping down on emissions, vehicle fuel usage will definitely drop. China also realises it cannot allow pollution to fog up Beijing, so the government would also steer it away from dino juice. Shenzhen for example, can only have EV cabs. So all cabs there are EV.

Which means... don't worry about dino juice!
 

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but to produce electricity, you need fossil fuel/coal to burn.
 

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More cheaper dino juice, more boosting, yayyy!
then kena out-paced, out-accelerated, out-everything by a electric vehicle......

Burn fuel directly like our car is 2/3 less efficient than using a pure EV that takes electricity.
Word is efficiency. But in Malaysia most powerplants using coal sadly. Malaysia lacking alot lol
well - someone wanted nuclear at one time and that was shot down kaokao. We do have windfarms but the scale is laughable.

and 49 years of fossil fuel isn't a lot leh.
 

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then kena out-paced, out-accelerated, out-everything by a electric vehicle......


well - someone wanted nuclear at one time and that was shot down kaokao. We do have windfarms but the scale is laughable.

and 49 years of fossil fuel isn't a lot leh.
at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves
 

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Burn fuel directly like our car is 2/3 less efficient than using a pure EV that takes electricity.
Word is efficiency. But in Malaysia most powerplants using coal sadly. Malaysia lacking alot lol
ya. coal and diesel to generate electricity

then kena out-paced, out-accelerated, out-everything by a electric vehicle......


well - someone wanted nuclear at one time and that was shot down kaokao. We do have windfarms but the scale is laughable.

and 49 years of fossil fuel isn't a lot leh.
Nuclear most countries who had nuclear are ramping down nuclear as they are unable to handle the waste.
and Windfarms is a no no due to the nature of recycling/dispose of spoilt turbine blade. EU is trying to not use it for future (maybe replace with something can be recycled)

still hydro, solar may be future to generate electricity but to which extend until fossil fuel or coal is not needed to create electricity?
 
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then kena out-paced, out-accelerated, out-everything by a electric vehicle......


well - someone wanted nuclear at one time and that was shot down kaokao. We do have windfarms but the scale is laughable.

and 49 years of fossil fuel isn't a lot leh.
Well we can definitely be noisier than the electric vehicle. Since it makes no sound. Nuclear is actually viable IMO, especially in Malaysia where we have no natural disaster to deal with. Then we eject the waste into space using SpaceX rockets.

Please don't say flood I'll slap you. Flood is just not enough money poured into engineering and gotten song lap by politicians.

but to produce electricity, you need fossil fuel/coal to burn.
Solar.
 

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ya. coal and diesel to generate electricity


Nuclear most countries who had nuclear are ramping down nuclear as they are unable to handle the waste.
and Windfarms is a no no due to the nature of recycling/dispose of spoilt turbine blade. EU is trying to not use it for future (maybe replace with something can be recycled)

still hydro, solar may be future to generate electricity but to which extend until fossil fuel or coal is not needed to create electricity?
If solar panels can take up sun power, it will be great. Now its taking up a lot of space. Solar is best really.
 

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If solar panels can take up sun power, it will be great. Now its taking up a lot of space. Solar is best really.
cars with solar roof?
 

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then kena out-paced, out-accelerated, out-everything by a electric vehicle......


well - someone wanted nuclear at one time and that was shot down kaokao. We do have windfarms but the scale is laughable.

and 49 years of fossil fuel isn't a lot leh.
It's ok la, I am not racing ma, I just want a fun car to drive myself. Now also already confirm in Malaysia that Myvi is king ma and Vios is God's car. Anyway if driving electric cars is like the experience I have playing those electric hypercars in Gran Turismo Sport then I don't want le, feels weird.
 

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If solar panels can take up sun power, it will be great. Now its taking up a lot of space. Solar is best really.
Not really, the output in our country is too low for it to be a reliable energy source. For very2 small scale maybe.
IMHO, in Malaysia hydro is the best. can double up as water reserve too until a very edfficient solar panel come up.
 

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Not really, the output in our country is too low for it to be a reliable energy source. For very2 small scale maybe.
IMHO, in Malaysia hydro is the best. can double up as water reserve too until a very edfficient solar panel come up.
Solar is best overall i mean. Hydropower is too destructive to the environment.