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Prepare 3k to run low boost... high boost, around 5-6k.

A lotta workshops can do it... just the parts could be quite expensive. Installation and Tuning also is a hefty job.
 

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actually myself almost done this bolt-on before...n i think it is not worth your money...coz u haf to spend a lot of $$$ to get the minimal boost...better go for engine conversion instead...
tq...
 

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hi,
u r going to bolt on turbo? let me explain simple thing. When u bolt on ur car there is no guarantee that ur engine will be perfect... more or so called "white mice" it's better to prepared some money to play around coz it will be not that cheap. maybe first conversion 3k then later this cannot that cannot then change this change that will cost u more $$$$$$$$. frankly speaking think before u do. coz i did a few conversion but NA still the best. if u wanna 2 experiment then welcome hahaha...

next month i supercharge a wira 1.6
and a honda prelude too.

if intrested or wanna 2 get any consult pls contact me at the number below.

Originally posted by contreasjun27@Mar 23 2005, 11:02
may i know which workshop can do a great job of fixing a low boost on my car...???is a 1.5 engine
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n your na machine kenot stand with that pressure too long...kabommm :P
 

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if blow then change engine........... hahahahaha
dun change engine it will tell u when to change if engine blow then
thats the time to change engine....


Originally posted by noeyedeer@Mar 23 2005, 15:39
n your na machine kenot stand with that pressure too long...kabommm :P
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Originally posted by mxsteven+Mar 23 2005, 13:12 --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mxsteven @ Mar 23 2005, 13:12 )</div><div class='quotemain'>hi,
u r going to bolt on turbo? let me explain simple thing. When u bolt on ur car there is no guarantee that ur engine will be perfect... more or so called "white mice" it's better to prepared some money to play around coz it will be not that cheap. maybe first conversion 3k then later this cannot that cannot then change this change that will cost u more $$$$$$$$. frankly speaking think before u do. coz i did a few conversion but NA still the best. if u wanna 2 experiment then welcome hahaha...

next month i supercharge a wira 1.6
and a honda prelude too.

if intrested or wanna 2 get any consult pls contact me at the number below.

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can u do a supercharged civic 1.6efi
 

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Originally posted by noeyedeer@Mar 23 2005, 12:02
actually myself almost done this bolt-on before...n i think it is not worth your money...coz u haf to spend a lot of $$$ to get the minimal boost...better go for engine conversion instead...
tq...
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"almost" means didn't lar... Worth it or not in my opinion is a personal preferance... Some mods might seem stupid and pointless to someone... where as to others, they might give them the satisfaction they craved. I've seen a couple 4G13 turbo kitted dudes that are happy to own them... where as i believe to most of you, 4G13 turbo kitted engines are a waste of time and money. I've driven one before... DAMN does it kick ass (compared to other 4G13s that is)!! I think that car can match up a 1.6 performance... maybe better.

Whether a turbo kit will be satisfying to you or not... depends on what you expect out of it.

HOWEVER, I strongly agree with mxsteven.... N/A will always be the best!
 

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Originally posted by blower+Mar 24 2005, 09:46 --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(blower @ Mar 24 2005, 09:46 )</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by mxsteven@Mar 23 2005, 13:12
hi,
u r going to bolt on turbo? let me explain simple thing. When u bolt on ur car there is no guarantee that ur engine will be perfect... more or so called "white mice" it's better to prepared some money to play around coz it will be not that cheap. maybe first conversion 3k then later this cannot that cannot then change this change that will cost u more $$$$$$$$. frankly speaking think before u do. coz i did a few conversion but NA still the best. if u wanna 2 experiment then welcome hahaha...

next month i supercharge a wira 1.6
and a honda prelude too.

if intrested or wanna 2 get any consult pls contact me at the number below.

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can u do a supercharged civic 1.6efi
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havent try on civic EFI yet but it can be done... urs is VTEC version or what?
anyhow there is a risk if u convert...

think first.
 

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Rather than mod this and that, I think better save money for stickers, bodykits and GT wing is better.

At least will make car looking more fierce and intimidating.

Last time my car Wira 1.5 carburator with full EVO3 bodykit. Other road users see my car coming from behind quickly move aside to make way for me. GRAND OR NOT?

Then I using boost meter (even though my car no turbo).

So when they see my boost meter and EVO3 bodykit, they already scared and say "FUIYOOO FAST CAR OHHHH!!!"

I want to change turbo engine but I scared fuel like drinking water like tat.
 

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Originally posted by alvin24+Mar 24 2005, 12:31 --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(alvin24 @ Mar 24 2005, 12:31 )</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-noeyedeer@Mar 23 2005, 12:02
actually myself almost done this bolt-on before...n i think it is not worth your money...coz u haf to spend a lot of $$$ to get the minimal boost...better go for engine conversion instead...
tq...
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"almost" means didn't lar... Worth it or not in my opinion is a personal preferance... Some mods might seem stupid and pointless to someone... where as to others, they might give them the satisfaction they craved. I've seen a couple 4G13 turbo kitted dudes that are happy to own them... where as i believe to most of you, 4G13 turbo kitted engines are a waste of time and money. I've driven one before... DAMN does it kick ass (compared to other 4G13s that is)!! I think that car can match up a 1.6 performance... maybe better.

Whether a turbo kit will be satisfying to you or not... depends on what you expect out of it.

HOWEVER, I strongly agree with mxsteven.... N/A will always be the best!
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yeah i prefer NA but what can we say.... we are humans ... sometimes we will change our mind from time to time.... when we get bored on our NA cars then everywhere started to gatal already and thats the time stupid idea or experiments come to our mind bolt on turbo lah, change cam lah, port and polish lah, balance engine lah...... and etc etc..... till the end the most important is u r happy with it....
dont care what people say, dont care what people think.... if u think it is right then just do ur own deciesion and go ahead...

bolt on turbo is fun just the sake of kepishhhhh kepishhhh sound :lol: but some people got kepishhhh kepishhhh and krong krang booommmm (time for halfcut :lol: )..

but in a real reality.... supercharger is still more worth 2 play if u want coz the power is so linear and so smooth and the wear and tear is very less..

what can i say :huh: hahaha... NA got its own characteristic and turbo own its own too..
 

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Mr MXSteven,

Can i ask for some info?

THis supercharger using wat management for fueling and ignition?

How many boost can run without touching internals?

Lets say engine is Wira 1.6?

And lastly, after Supercharging, how many hosepower on wheel will gain?

Thanks so much in advance!
 

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Originally posted by Joeker@Mar 24 2005, 15:54
Mr MXSteven,

Can i ask for some info?

THis supercharger using wat management for fueling and ignition?

How many boost can run without touching internals?

Lets say engine is Wira 1.6?

And lastly, after Supercharging, how many hosepower on wheel will gain?

Thanks so much in advance!
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There are many components that go into making a complete supercharger system - mounting brackets, ignition controller, fuel pump, etc. okay now we look at only one component of a supercharger system - the supercharger itself (sometimes called a "head unit", "compressor", or "blower"or whatsoever people called lah). All superchargers, except turbochargers, are driven via a pulley that is connected either to the engine's accessory belt, or to its own belt that goes directly to a crank pulley. This is where the similarities between the different supercharger technologies end.

supercharge has a mere 5 to 20% power increased over the standard vehicle engine. it is designed to give managable increase power and torque to the standard engine over wider driving range (speed 80kph / 2,000 rpm to 6,500 rpm)

super charger does not need to alter the internal engine parts. There are two reasons for this. First, the roots supercharger does not compress air - it only moves from the intake port to the discharge port (i.e. it is the only supercharger design with no internal compression ratio). All of the compression is done in the intake manifold. Laws of thermodynamics kick in in favor of supercharger designs with an internal compression ratio (centrifugal and twin screw) because they do less work on the incoming air charge. We will leave the mathematics of this phenomenon to a later (much more boring) discussion. Another reason roots superchargers create higher amounts of heat is because they tend to carry some of the compressed air in the intake back into the supercharger because it gets trapped by the rotating lobes that are exposed to the hotter air in the intake manifold.

i hope you understand what im saying, i just share my 2cents of experience
 

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Mm....I understand wat you are saying but I think it has nothing related to what I'm asking.

Lets assume u have a customer with 1.6 SOHC Proton engine who want to be Supercharged with stock internals.

1. When the engine is supercharged, you will need more fuel and to advance or retard the ignition. How will u alter the ECU's maps? piggyback or standalone?

2. How much boost will this supercharger generate without sending the engine to hell.

3. How will u regulate the boost pressure?

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First, the roots supercharger does not compress air - it only moves from the intake port to the discharge port (i.e. it is the only supercharger design with no internal compression ratio). All of the compression is done in the intake manifold
:blink: 4GZEs are Roots Superchargered engines and they can generate shit loads of boost......I'm lost.
 

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Originally posted by Joeker@Mar 24 2005, 21:48
Mm....I understand wat you are saying but I think it has nothing related to what I'm asking.

Lets assume u have a customer with 1.6 SOHC Proton engine who want to be Supercharged with stock internals.

1. When the engine is supercharged, you will need more fuel and to advance or retard the ignition. How will u alter the ECU's maps? piggyback or standalone?

2. How much boost will this supercharger generate without sending the engine to hell.

3. How will u regulate the boost pressure?

PS :
First, the roots supercharger does not compress air - it only moves from the intake port to the discharge port (i.e. it is the only supercharger design with no internal compression ratio). All of the compression is done in the intake manifold
:blink: 4GZEs are Roots Superchargered engines and they can generate shit loads of boost......I'm lost.
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accually supercharged stock standard dont need any feul management but make sure ur fuel pump pressure is sufficent.

supercharger does not generate as much boost as Turbo does, this is depend of what supercharger you are going to use therefore supercharger boost and air compress is a total diffrent thing please dont get lost....

supercharger normally boost at minimal, even a great centrifugal supercharger will only generate less than 1 bar.... as what i heard there is people around doing the supercharger boost as good as turbo. Well it is depend on how u play the games. The higher boost u takes, the more things u have to put eg: piggyback controller to manage feul, wastegate , blow off, bigger intercoller and so on.

So the best is to understand basic things. how supercharger works? what makes supercharger? and how it got the pressure? and so on........

need to know more well.... this website i found could be infomative
http://www.superchargersonline.com/superchargers.asp

Happy veiwing and hope u learn something.
and thanks for quetioning me.
 

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supercharger does not generate as much boost as Turbo does
If a Supercharger does not generate as much boost as Turbo, can u tell us how much boost does a Supercharger generate?


boost and air compress is a total diffrent thing
I thought Boost pressure is pressurized air and Pressurized air is Compresed air.

If there is no compressed air, how come boost meter register positive manifold pressure?

as what i heard there is people around doing the supercharger boost as good as turbo. Well it is depend on how u play the games. The higher boost u takes, the more things u have to put eg: piggyback controller to manage feul, wastegate , blow off, bigger intercoller and so on.
Do you mean if Supercharger boost is very high, have to use wastegate? Normally wat diameter wastegate? 60mm Greddy enough ah?

So the best is to understand basic things. how supercharger works? what makes supercharger? and how it got the pressure? and so on........

need to know more well.... this website i found could be infomative
http://www.superchargersonline.com/superchargers.asp
The is no explanation about how Superchargers work in the link you posted. Its only about the different Superchargers which are available in the market.

supercharger normally boost at minimal, even a great centrifugal supercharger will only generate less than 1 bar
SUpercharger normally boost at minimal? How come Toyota 4AGZE Superchargers can boost more than 1 bar? A "Great" centrifugal supercharger generate less than 1 bar?


And you still have not answered how to regulate the boost pressure with supercharger.

If I not mistaken, I think Superchargers are spun by the engine's pulley belts rite. So if the engine speed increases higher and higher, boost will be getting higher and higher as well.

If the boost is getting higher and higher, the risk of self destruction is increasing dangerously.

So how does your supercharger control the amount of boost entering the engine?

And how much boost is safe boost without fuel piggyback, etc?
 

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Dear Joeker:

i think there is nothing to argue when u still wanna 2 stick 2 ur point.

Frankly speaking i dont think u are really understand what is supercharger.
you are keep sticking to quetion. And i had already answer you but u still coun'nt understand what can i say.

theres nothing between me and u ok!

if u still wanna 2 stick to the point thats up to u. i just share my experience.
no harm no enemy

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projection,
where was this done... cool man...

mxsteven,
where ur location? how much u doing ur SC? any prereq needed before installing the SC? care to explain more on ur setup?
I think there's 1 offered by turbo sang, but recommended to do up exhaust n open pod... else will have slight hiccup...
 

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Originally posted by zronix@Mar 26 2005, 11:15
projection,
where was this done... cool man...

mxsteven,
where ur location? how much u doing ur SC? any prereq needed before installing the SC? care to explain more on ur setup?
I think there's 1 offered by turbo sang, but recommended to do up exhaust n open pod... else will have slight hiccup...
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u the 1 called me yesterday? from JB?
temporary this month quite pack..... let me settle all those cars in my workshop first....
 

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try checking the forced-induction thread... there's a few topics regarding SC...
 

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ermm...guys
let say we have installed bolt on turbo in our car
do we need a jpj inspection or approval or something?
 

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Originally posted by mxsteven+Mar 26 2005, 14:00 --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mxsteven @ Mar 26 2005, 14:00 )</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-zronix@Mar 26 2005, 11:15
projection,
where was this done... cool man...

mxsteven,
where ur location? how much u doing ur SC? any prereq needed before installing the SC? care to explain more on ur setup?
I think there's 1 offered by turbo sang, but recommended to do up exhaust n open pod... else will have slight hiccup...
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u the 1 called me yesterday? from JB?
temporary this month quite pack..... let me settle all those cars in my workshop first....
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nup this is the 1st tiem... quite tied up eh, awit for ur reply then,...
 

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thanx, I've PMed him... hope to hear from him soon...
wanna know on reliability , service, maintenance, prereq, what to expect...n etc
 

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hmm so u guys din not agree me to put a low boost on my car isit..hmm i very confused lerr...coz i saw a black satria which is 1.6 put a low boost on it but without intercooler...and got da turbo sound dam chun man....jus wondering whether my car can be like dat...coz boring of driving my wira lerr...tak syok
 

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joeker, can find some tech stuff from the site he provided,

part1 of their supercharger article

got 3 parts in total, very informative... but i fell asleep after reading the first line :lol: ... :unsure:

btw mxsteven, i'm not sure if you read it but...

"You've probably already figured out that this is exactly what a supercharger does - it compresses air to pressures above atmospheric pressure (boost), thus packing more air into the engine"


supercharger works alot like a turbo, only diff is how it gets its energy... turbos recycle the exhaust gasses, superchargers uses belts and pulley. GOGO turbo!
 

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B) Installation :( and car tuning :angry: will cost u alot!!!!! :o
haha..... good luck man :lol:
 

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Originally posted by dolly@Mar 31 2005, 09:24
joeker, can find some tech stuff from the site he provided,

part1 of their supercharger article

got 3 parts in total, very informative... but i fell asleep after reading the first line :lol: ... :unsure:

btw mxsteven, i'm not sure if you read it but...

"You've probably already figured out that this is exactly what a supercharger does - it compresses air to pressures above atmospheric pressure (boost), thus packing more air into the engine"


supercharger works alot like a turbo, only diff is how it gets its energy... turbos recycle the exhaust gasses, superchargers uses belts and pulley. GOGO turbo!
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Hahaha... dolly, I think the fella 'cut and paste' from some website, where as he himself dunno whut he's reading or writing.

I myself was waiting to hear from his replies towards joeker's questions... coz' some of them I'm also curious to find out.... but sadly they were never answered.
 

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as in how much will the cost be? wats the pros and cons i dun need 2 do a transplant or anything rite? newbie in this stuff :)
 

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Tech Articles from http://www.sporttruck.com/techarticles/1436/

Supercharger Basics
Nothing looks more radical and shouts "bad to the bone" louder than a monster 6-71 supercharger sticking out of the hood of a Pro Street pickup. And there’s no doubt that superchargers are cool, but...

By Kevin Wilson
Photography: The Sport Truck Files

Nothing looks more radical and shouts "bad to the bone" louder than a monster 6-71 supercharger sticking out of the hood of a Pro Street pickup. And there's no doubt that superchargers are cool, but the science of forced air induction goes way beyond just looking cool. Basic knowledge of the principles and practices of supercharging will go a long way in helping you select the right blower for the job.

How It Works
To understand how a supercharger works, you have to think of the engine as a giant air pump. The motor’s four-stroke cycle first allows the pistons to draw air in through the carburetor, the intake manifold and the intake valves. The air is then compressed by the piston while all the valves are closed and ignited by the spark plug. The resulting explosion forces the piston down in the power stroke. The final stage of the four-stroke cycle is when the piston comes back up and forces the spent gases out of the exhaust valve.

In theory, a denser air charge (also mixed with fuel) will create a more powerful combustion explosion inside the cylinder, thus creating more downforce on the piston which translates into horsepower. Increasing this air charge is where the supercharger comes in. The mechanically driven supercharger force-feeds the combustion chamber a denser air/fuel mixture. This mechanically increases the compression ratio by forcing a boosted (pressurized) air/fuel mixture in the combustion chamber. The denser charge will increase dynamic cylinder pressure upon ignition to create more power.

Type A & B Personalities
Mechanically driven superchargers can be classified into two distinct types: basic air pumps and true compressors. While that cool-looking monster 6-71 may look like a giant air compressor, it’s actually just an air pump. The 6-71 is a classic Roots-type blower which dates back to the 1880s when the Roots brothers designed it as an air conveyor for mine shafts. General Motors later adopted the design in the 1930s as a supercharger for its GMC diesel engines, using it mainly to pump out exhaust gases. In general, Roots blowers have a two- or three-lobe rotor design, depending on the size of the case. They can move mass quantities of air which stacks up inside the intake manifold to create positive pressure, or boost. Not only do they look cool sticking through the hood, but they have higher discharge temperatures than other designs.

The second type of supercharger utilizes a more efficient design which actually compresses the air as it's drawn through the unit. Some examples of centrifugal blowers are those from Paxton, Vortech Engineering and, to some degree since the air is compressed inside the unit, the Whipple Industries screw-type supercharger. Turbos also fall into this category.

Centrifugal superchargers are basically belt-driven turbochargers (as opposed to exhaust-gas driven), with inlet air drawn to the center of the blower where the high impeller speed converts this air velocity into pressure. The high turbine speeds are generated by internally overdriving the input shaft which is also overdriven by the external drive pulley. Turbine speeds can approach 40,000 to 50,000 rpm on these types of blowers, with normal boost in the 6 to 10 pound range for street engines.

One of the most popular blowers for late-model Chevy street trucks is the Whipplecharger from Whipple Industries. The bolt-on blower is basically a twin-screw compressor that shares a case similar to a Roots-type supercharger. By design, it's an axial-flow supercharger that compresses air as it moves between the twin screws of the blower. The screw supercharger offers potential advantages over less efficient, non-compressor designs in that the outlet temperatures are normally lower.

No Free Rides
As with everything in life, nothing is free. All belt-driven superchargers need horsepower to run--sometimes as much as 20 percent of engine’s total. The good news is that the additional horsepower created by the blower will more than make up for power loss. The other concern with supercharging deals with the law of physics. High school physics taught us that when air is compressed, heat is created. The more efficiently a supercharger compresses air, the less heat added to the intake manifold. And we all know the cooler the intake charge, the denser the air and the more horsepower available.


Blower efficiency is measured by the discharge air temperature at a given pressure. For example, Blower A might have a discharge air temp of 180 degrees at 6 pounds of boost, while Blower B might have a discharge temp of 195 degrees. Blower speed also comes into play here. The higher the speed, the more heat generated. Supercharger manufacturers refer to a blower's efficiency in terms of adiabatic efficiency: how well it pressurizes air into an engine. For example, a Roots blower typically has an adiabatic efficiency of 50 percent, while a screw-type supercharger and centrifugal blowers can see up to 75 percent. Thus, higher boost levels do not necessarily mean more power. Intercoolers can lower intake temperatures by pushing the compressed air through a radiator-type device--but at the cost of boost pressure.

Other Considerations
Volumes have been written on the science of supercharging, and we’ve only hit the highlights here. Other considerations include the compression ratio of the engine, the cam profile, the spark timing and the exhaust upgrades--not to mention having room under the hood to add the blower in the first place.


Adding a supercharger to late-model-truck applications is a no-brainer since most manufacturers have taken the guesswork out of fuel augmentation under boost and spark timing management. Since the blower pressurizes the intake manifold and can make up for any minor design shortcomings, there's no need to port and polish the intake and heads on a relatively stock motor.

However, exhaust upgrades are a must since the additional air a supercharger pumps into the engine must exit quickly and efficiently. Consider smog-legal headers, a low-restriction catalytic converter and top-drawer cat-back exhaust system.

To reduce the chance of detonation (pinging), opt for a low-temperature thermostat (160 degrees) and consider a boost/retard ignition device such as one offered from Jacobs Electronics or MSD. This device will retard ignition timing as the boost pressure increases in order to prevent detonation. Also, once supercharged, plan on running the good gas: 92 octane or better to prevent detonation.

Supercharging is an easy bolt-on way to make big horsepower gains on a relatively stock engine, provided you do your homework and pick the right blower for the job.
 

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after readin all the threads here, more confused lar... tot can find answer to post... where can find SC installer in KL , haha
All i know now is gerard(turbo SAng) and mxsteven(OKR)....
anyone else????
 

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zronix said:
after readin all the threads here, more confused lar... tot can find answer to post... where can find SC installer in KL , haha
All i know now is gerard(turbo SAng) and mxsteven(OKR)....
anyone else????
very confuse here.... after all my first posting was sharing experience with other ppl but ended up stupid arguement anyway i would intro u to turbo sang.... he is very good at this things.... coz now i cant do much things coz im not enough worker here... anyway pls letme know if any senior mechanic and wireman looking for better opportunity... im giving the best offer to them... thanks
 

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mxsteven,
thanx for the reply. tot u bz till no time to surf around. i know bout turbo sang's upcoming launch on SC kits. been follwoing the thread from gerard.
hows biz?? to good till not enuf manpower... :)
 

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biz so so only lor..... now im the only one man power doing cannot lah... my worker only can do engine but not wiring... so i have to do it my self... train them also pening kepala :rolleyes: now just hoping to survive in the future..


zronix said:
mxsteven,
thanx for the reply. tot u bz till no time to surf around. i know bout turbo sang's upcoming launch on SC kits. been follwoing the thread from gerard.
hows biz?? to good till not enuf manpower... :)