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In most cases, manufacturers know rims are important but as long as they offer rims that is strong enough then it already fit the purpose. But like IXEO said, nice cars usually comes with nice rims also. Just look at those Ferraris & Lambos, most of them are still using original rims unless the owners really want to be more unique or even better rims so then still change.
Standard or boring looking rims are probably cheaper which helps to cut costs for the manufacturer. Besides, this allows customization opportunities for the consumers as they can change into different rims that they prefer.

For supercars, I think those are more like a complete package right out of the box since the buyer already paid a huge sum for the car. Buyers don't really need to customize or add in any aftermarket parts into it as everything that comes along is already good enough. But nonetheless, there are still those supercar owners who wanted to be different which is where companies like Techart, Novitec Rosso, Hamann comes in.

Correct, that is what I posted.....:driver:
Yeah, I din't saw your post yesterday. Hehe, thanks. :biggrin:
 

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Standard or boring looking rims are probably cheaper which helps to cut costs for the manufacturer. Besides, this allows customization opportunities for the consumers as they can change into different rims that they prefer.

For supercars, I think those are more like a complete package right out of the box since the buyer already paid a huge sum for the car. Buyers don't really need to customize or add in any aftermarket parts into it as everything that comes along is already good enough. But nonetheless, there are still those supercar owners who wanted to be different which is where companies like Techart, Novitec Rosso, Hamann comes in.



Yeah, I din't saw your post yesterday. Hehe, thanks. :biggrin:
Supercars rims are designed for the car, not the same as our P cars.....:banghead::banghead:
 

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Supercars rims are designed for the car, not the same as our P cars.....:banghead::banghead:
But manufacturers often do still manage to come out with 'better' rims for the supercar when they have an enhanced version of it. Like F430 Scuderia, 458 Speciale, Gallardo Superleggera, R8 GT, GT-R Nismo...
 

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Supercars rims are designed for the car, not the same as our P cars.....:banghead::banghead:
P cars I dunno. But my Nissan used to have 195/65/15 and that was "tuned" to the cars overall driving experience. Changing to 215/45/17 made the ride really noisy and really bumpy. Huge huge difference.

Fugly but functional.
 

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P cars I dunno. But my Nissan used to have 195/65/15 and that was "tuned" to the cars overall driving experience. Changing to 215/45/17 made the ride really noisy and really bumpy. Huge huge difference.

Fugly but functional.
But handling and stability sure improved after going for 17". Not to mention, bling factor too, haha. Don't be humble and only say out the cons of 17" :biggrin:
 

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P cars I dunno. But my Nissan used to have 195/65/15 and that was "tuned" to the cars overall driving experience. Changing to 215/45/17 made the ride really noisy and really bumpy. Huge huge difference.

Fugly but functional.
the problem with current market where people focusing on rim size...

i remember seeing nissan interview in youtube..
engineer versus marketing department in up sizing the wheel which engineers didnt agree due to affecting comfort and others...they need to come up with engineering solution to support the request, such as new suspension and so on, which is costly..

at the end customer/marketing wins...but bad for the development of the car...

see the current trend 17inch (civic, suprima), 18inch wheel (lancer, 508)...

P1 Premium spec have harsher ride than Exec spec due to this....:banghead:
thinking of downsizing...



the myth regarding bigger wheel have better handling are not true partially...
it mostly due to stiffer tyre sidewall...
 

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P cars I dunno. But my Nissan used to have 195/65/15 and that was "tuned" to the cars overall driving experience. Changing to 215/45/17 made the ride really noisy and really bumpy. Huge huge difference.

Fugly but functional.
That is tyre size, not rim design as in looks....hahaha:biggrin:

Anyway, that is your choice. Car build for comfort comes with comfort tyre size. You want performance then only change to 17 mah!....:driver:

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the myth regarding bigger wheel have better handling are not true partially...
it mostly due to stiffer tyre sidewall...
Depends on what is looked at. Bigger wheel with lower aspect ratio can have wider tyres that is why the handling is better....:driver:
 

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But handling and stability sure improved after going for 17". Not to mention, bling factor too, haha. Don't be humble and only say out the cons of 17" :biggrin:
Not really. On my car, it looks small especially since the car isn't lowered. So not much bling really.

the myth regarding bigger wheel have better handling are not true partially...
it mostly due to stiffer tyre sidewall...
That's true. 45 profile vs a 60 profile would be significantly stiffer and the wider track helped a lot too. 195 to 215. So you're right about handling. I recall my old wira was running on 205/50/15 and that was phenomenal.

Regarding your other comments, Nissan Sylphy has a few models and their suspension parts are the same, but the rims are different. It has 15"/16" so the comfort and all that does have some differences if what you're saying is right? But that doesn't seem to be the case though.
 

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Not really. On my car, it looks small especially since the car isn't lowered. So not much bling really.



That's true. 45 profile vs a 60 profile would be significantly stiffer and the wider track helped a lot too. 195 to 215. So you're right about handling. I recall my old wira was running on 205/50/15 and that was phenomenal.

Regarding your other comments, Nissan Sylphy has a few models and their suspension parts are the same, but the rims are different. It has 15"/16" so the comfort and all that does have some differences if what you're saying is right? But that doesn't seem to be the case though.
The new Sylphy is using 17 also with tires 205/50/17. I took a ride in my friends one and it's surely firmer than the old one but still not too bad. For you instead of using 215/45, you should use 225/45 then it will be a tad more comfort similar to 205/50 with even wider footprint.
 

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Not really. On my car, it looks small especially since the car isn't lowered. So not much bling really.



That's true. 45 profile vs a 60 profile would be significantly stiffer and the wider track helped a lot too. 195 to 215. So you're right about handling. I recall my old wira was running on 205/50/15 and that was phenomenal.

Regarding your other comments, Nissan Sylphy has a few models and their suspension parts are the same, but the rims are different. It has 15"/16" so the comfort and all that does have some differences if what you're saying is right? But that doesn't seem to be the case though.
between 15 and 16 rims might be to little for a difference...so you have tested both and the comfort are similar? kudos to nissan..
need to check on sidewall height and tyre model..

btw the vid i see last time is for teana i think..

205/50/15 are just spot on...perfect for 1600cc sepang..lol..
 

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That is tyre size, not rim design as in looks....hahaha:biggrin:

Anyway, that is your choice. Car build for comfort comes with comfort tyre size. You want performance then only change to 17 mah!....:driver:

Depends on what is looked at. Bigger wheel with lower aspect ratio can have wider tyres that is why the handling is better....:driver:
But wider then on wet have more aquaplanning hehe!
 

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The new Sylphy is using 17 also with tires 205/50/17. I took a ride in my friends one and it's surely firmer than the old one but still not too bad. For you instead of using 215/45, you should use 225/45 then it will be a tad more comfort similar to 205/50 with even wider footprint.
Ha? Not 215/50? Why would a wider footprint be more comfortable? It technically should be louder. And I don't think 225 will fit on my car.

The new one sits on 17"? I gotta go look see. Perhaps new car the suspension is a bit stiffer than usual until it settles in?

between 15 and 16 rims might be to little for a difference...so you have tested both and the comfort are similar? kudos to nissan..
need to check on sidewall height and tyre model..

btw the vid i see last time is for teana i think..

205/50/15 are just spot on...perfect for 1600cc sepang..lol..
Yeah man! Perfect indeed! The 15 and 16 rims, one profile is 60 (15") and the other 50 (16") so in term of comfort, perhaps you're right about the insignificant difference. But looks wise 16" looks so much betterrr...
 

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Ha? Not 215/50? Why would a wider footprint be more comfortable? It technically should be louder. And I don't think 225 will fit on my car.

The new one sits on 17"? I gotta go look see. Perhaps new car the suspension is a bit stiffer than usual until it settles in?

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Nope, it's 205/50/17. The 225/45 will have about 10.1cm of sidewall which is almost the same as the 10.25cm sidewall of 205/50 used in the new one. If 215/45, then you only have sidewall 9.7cm, so a bit thinner and stiffer tire in general. In terms fo noise, yes might be more noisy but the feel should be a bit softer than your current 215/45. I also don't really pay much attention to tire noise since I always listen to loud music in the car! :biggrin:

In terms of fit, should depend on your rim offset. Is the clearance now already very tight when doing full lock turns?
 

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But wider then on wet have more aquaplanning hehe!
Yes, but to a limit. If using 215 to 225 still quite safe and also depends on car weight too. Of course going like 245 and above the tendency to aquaplane is there....:driver:

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Nope, it's 205/50/17. The 225/45 will have about 10.1cm of sidewall which is almost the same as the 10.25cm sidewall of 205/50 used in the new one. If 215/45, then you only have sidewall 9.7cm, so a bit thinner and stiffer tire in general. In terms fo noise, yes might be more noisy but the feel should be a bit softer than your current 215/45. I also don't really pay much attention to tire noise since I always listen to loud music in the car! :biggrin:

In terms of fit, should depend on your rim offset. Is the clearance now already very tight when doing full lock turns?
Bro. 6UE5t, basically 205/50 and 225/45 have almost same sidewall height but 225 is 20mm wider and more road surface contact will feed bumps to the car especially bumpy road. 45 series tyres also have harder sidewall construction then 50 series and tyre model again comes into play, so got many many aspect to this....:driver:

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Ha? Not 215/50? Why would a wider footprint be more comfortable? It technically should be louder. And I don't think 225 will fit on my car.

The new one sits on 17"? I gotta go look see. Perhaps new car the suspension is a bit stiffer than usual until it settles in?



Yeah man! Perfect indeed! The 15 and 16 rims, one profile is 60 (15") and the other 50 (16") so in term of comfort, perhaps you're right about the insignificant difference. But looks wise 16" looks so much betterrr...
Wider footprint actually more bumpy as more surface contacts.

17" will look best, 16" in between and 15" for comfort only lah!:driver:
 

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Yes, but to a limit. If using 215 to 225 still quite safe and also depends on car weight too. Of course going like 245 and above the tendency to aquaplane is there....:driver:

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Bro. 6UE5t, basically 205/50 and 225/45 have almost same sidewall height but 225 is 20mm wider and more road surface contact will feed bumps to the car especially bumpy road. 45 series tyres also have harder sidewall construction then 50 series and tyre model again comes into play, so got many many aspect to this....:driver:

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I'm using 245 at the rear and still ok la, can still do 120+ in the wet.

Yes, but compared to 215/45 that Bro Izso is using now, then the 225/45 will be a bit better in general (or provided using the same tires just different size) due to thicker sidewall by >0.4cm. From my experience, I feel sidewall thickness plays a bigger factor than tire width in terms of ride comfort, again provided the tires have about the same sidewall stiffness.
 

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I'm using 245 at the rear and still ok la, can still do 120+ in the wet.

Yes, but compared to 215/45 that Bro Izso is using now, then the 225/45 will be a bit better in general (or provided using the same tires just different size) due to thicker sidewall by >0.4cm. From my experience, I feel sidewall thickness plays a bigger factor than tire width in terms of ride comfort, again provided the tires have about the same sidewall stiffness.
If you have 245 in front different story brother......:biggrin:

Usually the lower the aspect ratio the harder the sidewall becomes. You are on the Mark X, right? Totally different from Izso STD.....:biggrin:
 

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If you have 245 in front different story brother......:biggrin:

Usually the lower the aspect ratio the harder the sidewall becomes. You are on the Mark X, right? Totally different from Izso STD.....:biggrin:
Hehe my front is still 215 only but next change I will use 225 instead.

True, Mark X obviously different than Sylphy but I still believe his tire is too thin already hence becomes a bit uncomfortable. Based on my experience with many other cars, I will never buy tires thinner than 10cm sidewall height as a general rule in the first place. For me, I feel that sidewall around 10.5-11.5cm is the best compromise between performance, comfort, and looks.
Or if worry about 225/45 then just follow the current std size which is 205/50, provided his rims are not too wide (max 7jj).
 

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Hehe my front is still 215 only but next change I will use 225 instead.

True, Mark X obviously different than Sylphy but I still believe his tire is too thin already hence becomes a bit uncomfortable. Based on my experience with many other cars, I will never buy tires thinner than 10cm sidewall height as a general rule in the first place. For me, I feel that sidewall around 10.5-11.5cm is the best compromise between performance, comfort, and looks.
Or if worry about 225/45 then just follow the current std size which is 205/50, provided his rims are not too wide (max 7jj).
That is why he looking for 215/50......:driver: but I love my 215/45R17, many many sets already, actually main reason, this size very common, many choices and best is the cheapest size. Going 225 price increase a lot......:biggrin:
 

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That is why he looking for 215/50......:driver: but I love my 215/45R17, many many sets already, actually main reason, this size very common, many choices and best is the cheapest size. Going 225 price increase a lot......:biggrin:
215/50 is nice and quite comfy, I'm using that size now for my front.
I'll never use 215/45 coz just too thin even though got tons of choices. 225/45 is about as thin as I'm willing to go for. (10cm sidewall is my limit).

Hey this thread is about rims, now talking about tires again! Should come back to the tire thread. :biggrin:
 

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215/50 is nice and quite comfy, I'm using that size now for my front.
I'll never use 215/45 coz just too thin even though got tons of choices. 225/45 is about as thin as I'm willing to go for. (10cm sidewall is my limit).

Hey this thread is about rims, now talking about tires again! Should come back to the tire thread. :biggrin:
Because tyre fit to rims mah!:smokin:.......hhahahhahaha:rofl:
 

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Serious? This one is your car? Never seen before pictures of it.
No la just photo from google. Same car but not like this one...but stock though haha!
 

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Haha, so how your 'Jetta' looks like is still a mystery to me. I've seen photos of your Kelisa though... On 14 inch Myvi rims isn't it? Quite nice.
Yup, totally love the rims and totally matches the car. Looks better than having it on myvi se haha!

Ya, stock rims sold off to a friend who is also driving kelisa but using ugly black steel rims.
Then bought mine after friend confirmed.

Last time not many. Now getting more common seeing kelisa with the same Myvi SE rims that I have haha! :bawling:
 

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Yup, totally love the rims and totally matches the car. Looks better than having it on myvi se haha!

Ya, stock rims sold off to a friend who is also driving kelisa but using ugly black steel rims.
Then bought mine after friend confirmed.

Last time not many. Now getting more common seeing kelisa with the same Myvi SE rims that I have haha! :bawling:
I think is because the tyre profile is lower in your Kelisa plus your car looks smaller which somehow made the rims look larger. The same rims can give a different feel in different cars. Like sometimes I saw some Wira with large rims and it looked good to me. When I have a look at it, it is only 17 inches. But if you put the same 17 inches on something like Skyline GT-R or Supra, I'm sure the rims will look small and weird for the car. :rofl:

Eh, your stock rims are 13 inch?

Kancil with Myvi rims also looks okay. BTW, show you guys something. First time I have seen such size.

 

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I think is because the tyre profile is lower in your Kelisa plus your car looks smaller which somehow made the rims look larger. The same rims can give a different feel in different cars. Like sometimes I saw some Wira with large rims and it looked good to me. When I have a look at it, it is only 17 inches. But if you put the same 17 inches on something like Skyline GT-R or Supra, I'm sure the rims will look small and weird for the car. :rofl:

Eh, your stock rims are 13 inch?

Kancil with Myvi rims also looks okay. BTW, show you guys something. First time I have seen such size.

Ya tyre wall thinner. 55 series but doesnt look too low also....215/45/17 even thinner wall.

Stock is 14". Kancil is 12". So the Myvi rims is PnP. No need increase tyre size.
 

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sometimes, even good rims oso ppl change....they say it is boring looking at them year after year.....
 

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sometimes, even good rims oso ppl change....they say it is boring looking at them year after year.....
True, I got one friend change the rims because his design became too popular and most cars have it on. Maybe just find a reason.....:banghead:
 

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Ya tyre wall thinner. 55 series but doesnt look too low also....215/45/17 even thinner wall.

Stock is 14". Kancil is 12". So the Myvi rims is PnP. No need increase tyre size.
But yours is 55 out of what width? 165? If 165/55 VS 215/45, I think still 165's sidewall is thinner....

You don't like mah! if not why you looking to change them.....:biggrin:

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On the Classic Mini?
Haha, yeah. It is on Mini. And it surprised me because it is actually a Yokohama Advan tyre. I din't know they have 10 inch performance tyres.
 

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But yours is 55 out of what width? 165? If 165/55 VS 215/45, I think still 165's sidewall is thinner....



Haha, yeah. It is on Mini. And it surprised me because it is actually a Yokohama Advan tyre. I din't know they have 10 inch performance tyres.
Yup, 165/55 is thinner.

Oh! have performance tyres in small sizes. Even formula 1 is like 12 and 14 inch only. 10 inch for mini is olden days sizes....:driver:
 

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You don't like mah! if not why you looking to change them.....:biggrin:

On the Classic Mini?
Cuz I have no choice. The stock rims do not come in 17" and yet I want to increase to 17". If not I would keep :biggrin:

True, I got one friend change the rims because his design became too popular and most cars have it on. Maybe just find a reason.....:banghead:
Who ask him to use Vossen rims la :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Vossen Rims everywhere...

 

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Yup, 165/55 is thinner.

Oh! have performance tyres in small sizes. Even formula 1 is like 12 and 14 inch only. 10 inch for mini is olden days sizes....:driver:
But formula 1 have high profile tyres. Looks really thick to me.

Oh, so last time 10 inch is common... I can tell that rim size is increasing as time goes by. Last time during the 90s, standard C segment sedan cars like Corolla SEG, Civic EG, Wira, old Saga mostly are using 13-14" as their standard rims. Today? Things have jumped to 16-17" as the standard size. :adore:

Vossen Rims everywhere...
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Very true. Imitation Vossen with small diameter.
 

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Cuz I have no choice. The stock rims do not come in 17" and yet I want to increase to 17". If not I would keep :biggrin:



Who ask him to use Vossen rims la :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Vossen Rims everywhere...
205/55R16 is good for comfort and performance 50/50. 215/45R17 toward performance 25/75.....:driver:

Nope his was not Vossen....:rolleyes:

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But formula 1 have high profile tyres. Looks really thick to me.

Oh, so last time 10 inch is common... I can tell that rim size is increasing as time goes by. Last time during the 90s, standard C segment sedan cars like Corolla SEG, Civic EG, Wira, old Saga mostly are using 13-14" as their standard rims. Today? Things have jumped to 16-17" as the standard size. :adore:



Very true. Imitation Vossen with small diameter.
Small rim sure must have higher profile mah! small rims low profile how to clear the bottom from the road....hahhahha

Yup, those days most cars were standard 12", 80 series tyres, then low profile started in 13", then slowly 14" then 15", now even 19" is standard....:smokin:
 

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True, I got one friend change the rims because his design became too popular and most cars have it on. Maybe just find a reason.....:banghead:
my boss has 3 sets of lighweight rims at home. Suka-suka go swap rims.....
He is eyes for another set of rims these few days....Ordered online

Last time, went business trip in Thailand, the car came back with new rims, etc.

This doesn't include tyres expenses....


Boss mah....:adore:
 

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my boss has 3 sets of lighweight rims at home. Suka-suka go swap rims.....
He is eyes for another set of rims these few days....Ordered online

Last time, went business trip in Thailand, the car came back with new rims, etc.

This doesn't include tyres expenses....


Boss mah....:adore:
What to do, too much $$$$......:rolleyes:
 

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205/55R16 is good for comfort and performance 50/50. 215/45R17 toward performance 25/75.....:driver:

Nope his was not Vossen....:rolleyes:

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Small rim sure must have higher profile mah! small rims low profile how to clear the bottom from the road....hahhahha

Yup, those days most cars were standard 12", 80 series tyres, then low profile started in 13", then slowly 14" then 15", now even 19" is standard....:smokin:
215/45 is performance? Standard FD2 is using that I think?

Higher profile also provides better comfort. That's why I see those older Mercedes from 10 to 20 years ago have small rims but very high profile. But on today, I don't know how they manage to retain and improve their comfort even with large rims low profile tyres. Better suspension setup?
 

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215/45 is performance? Standard FD2 is using that I think?

Higher profile also provides better comfort. That's why I see those older Mercedes from 10 to 20 years ago have small rims but very high profile. But on today, I don't know how they manage to retain and improve their comfort even with large rims low profile tyres. Better suspension setup?
45 series aspect ratio is Ultra low profile dy, so meant more for performance. Of course mowadays many brands of tyres and models, so if you are going like towards China made then the performance is not there, or choose the lower end models....:driver:
 

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45 series aspect ratio is Ultra low profile dy, so meant more for performance. Of course mowadays many brands of tyres and models, so if you are going like towards China made then the performance is not there, or choose the lower end models....:driver:
Hmm, then those Myvi on 17" that I've seen before must be crazy as they are using 40 series. Not to mention, damn bumpy ride as well.
 

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Hmm, then those Myvi on 17" that I've seen before must be crazy as they are using 40 series. Not to mention, damn bumpy ride as well.
Well, their original tyres are not that big so they have to reduce the aspect ratio further to be able to use 17"
 

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sure ada gaya of Myvi with 17inch rim.....but buttock sure pain-pain after long hour ride...

GF might komplen....
 

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Well, their original tyres are not that big so they have to reduce the aspect ratio further to be able to use 17"
Same like Wira and Satria. OEM rims are 13" and some went until 17". An increase by 4 inches.

sure ada gaya of Myvi with 17inch rim.....but buttock sure pain-pain after long hour ride...

GF might komplen....
Haven't seen any Myvi using branded 17 inch... Tyres also not really good ones...
 

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looks like ce28. Ori rims and some good rubber would cost a bomb....