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Lately I got interested in old school cars made in 1970s. Thought of starting a thread to discuss about these cars. Can be stories, own experience, discussion, photos or anything related to these old cars.

Let me start with this for the thread. Do you think that it is still possible to find a KE25/TE25/TE27 Corolla Coupe in Malaysia nowadays? Probably TE27 is almost impossible since that one is the highest spec Corolla Levin. Not KE20 2 door, but the coupe version of KE20.

Here is how they look like from rear.







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these cars are like unicorn.....However, if one like oldskool, KE70 is a good candidate.....plenty of parts, and compatible with lots of parts from other model.

price wise, depends on willing seller, willing buyer sort of thing...
 

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if you ask if you can find one... im sure you can.... question is if you have the money and can get the owner to sell it or if you have the money/time to save it!
 

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these cars are like unicorn.....However, if one like oldskool, KE70 is a good candidate.....plenty of parts, and compatible with lots of parts from other model.

price wise, depends on willing seller, willing buyer sort of thing...
KE70 is a good car to mod, but in this case, I'm more attracted towards the unique design and styling of this KE25/TE27. It has a bit of that coke bottle styling to it like TA22 or TA28 Celica or those American muscle cars. Late 70s and early 80s cars like KE70 looks very squarish.

if you ask if you can find one... im sure you can.... question is if you have the money and can get the owner to sell it or if you have the money/time to save it!
More like trying to find one that is not owned by someone who had restored it. Those restored ones cost too much and the history of the restoration work may be unknown to you.

Not sure still can find those that is still stock and old, probably driven by old uncle. But that also means a lot of money is needed to restore it.

My dad had the KE20 2 door version.....lol
2 door sedan? Sedan and coupe differs in rear quarter part and rear lamps...



They may look alike, and even has 2 doors,
but the TE25/TE27 Corolla has different heart......the famous, (almost) bullet proof 2TG engine.
2TG is for Levin or Trueno spec. Almost impossible to find over here considering not many people can afford real sports car back then. Unless imported here later on.
 

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Some old skool cars look very nice after fully restored. Question is how much owner willing to spend. I have seen few projects like ke70 and e30. Restoration cost alone easily 15k-20k. With some after market mods, it can touch 30k mark and that's not the end.

Recently I have visited few body shops to get quote for my A31 because the floor pan and underneath front both doors have rust. I remember one shop in Pj old town just behind Ford near federal highway. Many rare old skool and supercars there. Boss bring me walk around and show some of his works. A classic mini(Mr bean version) full body restored already cost 12k. Then another coupe Aston Martin classic(duno what model) full body done cost about 25k. I was like wtf!!! seriously.

Better think x10 whether want to start a project or not. Else half way waste effort and money.
 

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hmm why not a german :wink: a e30, or w115 would be nice.. though am not sure how much it would cost to get it nice and pretty....

for a clasic jap, dont think you really have that many choices (i mean if you want to keep things affordable)
http://www.mudah.my/Toyota+Corolla+Coupe+2+Doors+-50467591.htm
http://www.mudah.my/Toyota+Ke70+Corolla+1+3+M+-50453566.htm
I'm more into JDM than conti old cars. Conti cars harder to get parts also.

The KE30 2 door is nice but KE70 feels a bit overpriced at RM16k. It says Toyota 4k engine. If it is using 4A-GE swap, then this price seems okay but too bad it isn't.

Sedan, but later change to Datsun 120Y 4 door.......lol
Which 120Y? B210 or B310?

Some old skool cars look very nice after fully restored. Question is how much owner willing to spend. I have seen few projects like ke70 and e30. Restoration cost alone easily 15k-20k. With some after market mods, it can touch 30k mark and that's not the end.

Recently I have visited few body shops to get quote for my A31 because the floor pan and underneath front both doors have rust. I remember one shop in Pj old town just behind Ford near federal highway. Many rare old skool and supercars there. Boss bring me walk around and show some of his works. A classic mini(Mr bean version) full body restored already cost 12k. Then another coupe Aston Martin classic(duno what model) full body done cost about 25k. I was like wtf!!! seriously.

Better think x10 whether want to start a project or not. Else half way waste effort and money.
I think if really want to start of a good restoration project, need to expect an amount like RM40-RM50k for it. Takes a lot of time to save up to such amount. But the end result should be really good with that amount of money spent I guess?


Restored body work only??
Still not include engine and mechanical parts.
Fuhhh.....sweating. lol...
For reliability, I would prefer swapping newer engine and mechanical parts to it like stuffs from 90s such as 4A-GE engine with EFI. But such conversion might affect the value of the car since it is not using fully original parts. Old carb engines might be difficult to source spare parts or difficult to find anyone with good skills to tune the carburetors.
 

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I would love to build an E30 M3 or 190E Evo 2 at backyard with my boys....but as many other sifus pointed out edi, I'll just keep on dreaming till I die with current economics LOL :banghead:
 

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I think if really want to start of a good restoration project, need to expect an amount like RM40-RM50k for it. Takes a lot of time to save up to such amount. But the end result should be really good with that amount of money spent I guess?
My A31 comes with RB20. So far engine is smooth but can see leaking in few areas. Rough calculation body rust fix + repaint, full engine rebuild and suspension bushes replacement will be around 15k. If your project car has a lot of rust area and not in running condition, better prepare at least 20k first. Bodywork repair may take quite a while maybe 3 to 6 month due to cutting and welding depend on workshop load. Good thing is you can pay the them in monthly basis until work is done. If it take 8 month and total repair is 10k, so monthly is around 1.3k.

Best approach is avoid rusty car. Paint fade or damage is very cheap to repaint in and out. Engine not in running condition can always replace with newer unit like you have mentioned unless you want to stick with ori. Most people abandoned their project because spent so much already and yet car still lying in workshop. This will demoralize the owner.
 

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My A31 comes with RB20. So far engine is smooth but can see leaking in few areas. Rough calculation body rust fix + repaint, full engine rebuild and suspension bushes replacement will be around 15k. If your project car has a lot of rust area and not in running condition, better prepare at least 20k first. Bodywork repair may take quite a while maybe 3 to 6 month due to cutting and welding depend on workshop load. Good thing is you can pay the them in monthly basis until work is done. If it take 8 month and total repair is 10k, so monthly is around 1.3k.

Best approach is avoid rusty car. Paint fade or damage is very cheap to repaint in and out. Engine not in running condition can always replace with newer unit like you have mentioned unless you want to stick with ori. Most people abandoned their project because spent so much already and yet car still lying in workshop. This will demoralize the owner.
Oh, din't know can pay by monthly basis. Actually thought is like paying at one go or pay deposit first.

Rust problem is hard to avoid in old cars. There is bound to be rust somewhere but probably need to look on how severe it is. I've seen before pictures of old cars with rust that is as bad as a whole piece of steel is missing like on the undercarriage or on the lower part of the door. Is it legal by JPJ standards to weld back a new piece of steel on these parts?

I think at least must expect half a year to a year waiting time for a good restoration on these old cars. As the saying goes, good things are worth the wait.
 

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Bro, i love E30 also. But this car is too expensive to rebuild. In bimmer forum, there are many good rebuild project done by the owners especially below replica E30 M3

http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/newforums/index.php?/topic/25960-a-classic-e30-m3-reborn/
Thats one superb M3 which I also follow the thread...building to that level needs lotsa money, time, patience & dedication which I dont have atm :biggrin:

There was a perfect sample of 190e Evo2 (in K.L) lurking the internet few months ago now back hiding inside the caves

Owning both is like I can die tomorrow coz nothing more that I can ask for :rofl:
 

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Bro, i love E30 also. But this car is too expensive to rebuild. In bimmer forum, there are many good rebuild project done by the owners especially below replica E30 M3

http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/newforums/index.php?/topic/25960-a-classic-e30-m3-reborn/
Speaking of E30 and M3, there is a genuine left hand drive E30 M3 near my house in Ipoh. It is probably a famous car among E30 enthusiast. I've seen pictures of the car before taken by other people and it really is a real M3. I'll post a pic of this M3.







Also on another house near mine within walking distance, there is a Malay guy who owned a lot of BMW. I know he owns a new Mini Cooper S, E46 Sedan, E46 Coupe, E39 5 series, E30 Sedan and a modified E30 cabrio with large wheels... I'll post a pic of this E30 cabrio here but it is an old picture before he did those mods. Few years ago it was white, then red and recently blue. Sorry about the image quality. Taken inside a moving car.

 

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playing old skool isnt exactly for the faint-heart. Lots of sweat, blood, money, frustration involved. Prepared to be surprised if the car had poor repair history. Rust holes is inevitable....

One also needs another car as daily ride, becoz the car going restoration take years to complete....

Once the oldskool (nicely) done up....priceless...
 

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playing old skool isnt exactly for the faint-heart. Lots of sweat, blood, money, frustration involved. Prepared to be surprised if the car had poor repair history. Rust holes is inevitable....

One also needs another car as daily ride, becoz the car going restoration take years to complete....

Once the oldskool (nicely) done up....priceless...
You are right. Sometimes, unexpected problems will appear even when you thought that you got the basics covered. Since these cars are aged like 40-30 years old, it must have been used for a variety of purposes under different owners. Hard to expect a good repair history throughout all these years.
I'm not driving any old school car but a 17 year old Wira. I know how it feels when suddenly a problem appears where I least expected it.

For daily car, I've already decided that my Wira will be the daily car. Can't sell it off for much value and I don't like the idea of paying for monthly installment for a new car. Unless I earn a lot of money. :biggrin:

Do you own an old school car yourself? Lately you seemed to post less at ZTH but when this old school thread comes out, you started posting. :biggrin: