need help for engine mods in a 4g13p proton saga engine

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erm ive only tried matspeed and pipercam, the older batch of pipercams, im not sure about the new ones

but sure as heck the matspeed 272 ones are worth it for me

jasma, rm4xx
pipercam, rm5xx to 6xx
matspeed / powerzone, rm12xx to 13xx including swapping ur original cams with them

installation costs not included, will vary from shop to shop, not sure what prices are like at semenanjung
 

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erm ive only tried matspeed and pipercam, the older batch of pipercams, im not sure about the new ones

but sure as heck the matspeed 272 ones are worth it for me

jasma, rm4xx
pipercam, rm5xx to 6xx
matspeed / powerzone, rm12xx to 13xx including swapping ur original cams with them

installation costs not included, will vary from shop to shop, not sure what prices are like at semenanjung
any shop in kuching selling matspeed? any1 know?
btw, let say adj cam used matspeed, cam used other brand.. good or not with the engine?
any suggested idea on this parts?
 

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friend, most of the things that can be done / installed to the 4g1x engine, u have to source them from semenanjung, if people here say they can get it for you, they also get it from semenanjung, but at marked up prices

adj. campulley, u can get any brand to work with any cam (as far as i noe, this is true for 4g13/15 applications)
 

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friend, most of the things that can be done / installed to the 4g1x engine, u have to source them from semenanjung, if people here say they can get it for you, they also get it from semenanjung, but at marked up prices

adj. campulley, u can get any brand to work with any cam (as far as i noe, this is true for 4g13/15 applications)
yea, semenanjung many items can be found.. here, even weber is rare or i dont got many contacts.. ahahaa.. later planning to go to semenanjung, and ask help from u guys.. heheeee..
 

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im from kuching also LAH :P

all you need to do is just look through all the information in the various local forums, you will build your contacts from there and it will be easier from then on, that's what i did
 

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im from kuching also LAH :P

all you need to do is just look through all the information in the various local forums, you will build your contacts from there and it will be easier from then on, that's what i did
haha.. same wif me..
ya, tried to seek contacts from forum, but sumtimes feel unsecure as i saw my friend was scammed by sum1 called, i dont remember..
wat car do u drive bro?/ always play at tambak there is it? ahahah..
 

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i'm thinking of putting hi-cam + adj cam pulley to my 4g13p saga or should i change it to 4g15p engine? Which is more worth :hmmmm:

if swap engine, i still use 4g13 gearbox(manual), is it ok? :biggrin:
 

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i'm thinking of putting hi-cam + adj cam pulley to my 4g13p saga or should i change it to 4g15p engine? Which is more worth :hmmmm:

if swap engine, i still use 4g13 gearbox(manual), is it ok? :biggrin:
for me, if u just wana play2 n enjoy wif ur car, mayb u can upgrade the 4g13.. but if u wana play2 n race with others, u can swap your engine with a bigger ones.. eheheee..

i like to play2 with my car, so i upgrade my 4g13.. eheheeee..
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i'm thinking of putting hi-cam + adj cam pulley to my 4g13p saga or should i change it to 4g15p engine? Which is more worth :hmmmm:

if swap engine, i still use 4g13 gearbox(manual), is it ok? :biggrin:
Just remember, modifying your car is up to what you expect...

If youre expecting a big power boost, the 4g13 is really not a place to start, but if youre modding your car just to SS and have fun you wont feel rugi in modding it :biggrin:. Faster isnt always better :driver:
 

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4g13p carb, if wana convert to efi, how? any pros and cons?
Uhh at the moment I can think of a few things...

The stock EFi manifold, injectors, ecu harness, ecu itself uhh, what else ar?... I cant think of anything else. Those are the cons since you need to buy them.

Pro's? Just stable idling, no need to keep tuning the carbs haha :rofl:

Powerwise i dont know whats the diff though :smokin:
 

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I really realyl dont know that, I doubt it will give you a LOT of gains though...

Last time those race cars that ran carbs only, they can crank out damn lot of power also. Like my nissan, its carb'd but I still can run with efi protons and stuff haha :burnout:. Stock carby too.

I'm not saving for twin weber's haha! I love the sound of carb thats why im not planning to swap engine or convert to EFi... plus with carbs theres no headache in buying any extra ecu's to tune or whatever.

But you have to keep tuning it to keep it singing happily.

So its really up to you dude, old school responsive power vs reliable tuning power :driver:
 

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Uhh at the moment I can think of a few things...

The stock EFi manifold, injectors, ecu harness, ecu itself uhh, what else ar?... I cant think of anything else. Those are the cons since you need to buy them.

Pro's? Just stable idling, no need to keep tuning the carbs haha :rofl:

Powerwise i dont know whats the diff though :smokin:
i think i better stayed with carbs.. mayb get a new efi cars later.. if got buget.. ahahahaaa..
 

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Yeah but carbs the otai tuning all starting to become rare in Msia... I want to be able to experience this before its gone one day...

Haha yalah, if youre going EFi might as well spend on the best you can get right? 4g91 or something :driver:
 

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Yeah but carbs the otai tuning all starting to become rare in Msia... I want to be able to experience this before its gone one day...

Haha yalah, if youre going EFi might as well spend on the best you can get right? 4g91 or something :driver:
i also try to tune my carb my own self.. but dunno cun or not.. but i drive oke.. hhehehee..
but need to learn more from sifus.. ehehee..

mayb going for honda if wana take efi.. kinda like the vtec sound.. eheheeeee..

btw, bro, where r u from?
 

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Ooh nice, I dont know how to dune my own carbs sadly... weber man :love:. Must try.

Haha you're an N/A fan huh? Everybody loves Vtecs. I love the EG6 :burnout:

P.J, youre from Kuching im guessing?
 

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Ooh nice, I dont know how to dune my own carbs sadly... weber man :love:. Must try.

Haha you're an N/A fan huh? Everybody loves Vtecs. I love the EG6 :burnout:

P.J, youre from Kuching im guessing?
ya, tuning a weber is quite hard.. especially when its twin.. haha.. sifu did mention on how to tune traditionally and modernly.. but, still wondering how.. ahahaa..

are u using weber bro? btw, ya im from kuching.. pj is petaling jaya isit?/ coz here in kuching pj is petra jaya.. sumtimes confuse.. ahahaa..
 

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ya, tuning a weber is quite hard.. especially when its twin.. haha.. sifu did mention on how to tune traditionally and modernly.. but, still wondering how.. ahahaa..

are u using weber bro? btw, ya im from kuching.. pj is petaling jaya isit?/ coz here in kuching pj is petra jaya.. sumtimes confuse.. ahahaa..
That is my dream, to have twin weber's on my lowly nissan ahahaha :biggrin:. Not a lot of people mod this cause lack of parts + carb. So far going so good though.

Hmm nope. Original 1. Yeah petaling jaya... what car do you have again? :hmmmm:
 

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That is my dream, to have twin weber's on my lowly nissan ahahaha :biggrin:. Not a lot of people mod this cause lack of parts + carb. So far going so good though.

Hmm nope. Original 1. Yeah petaling jaya... what car do you have again? :hmmmm:
im using iswara lmss.. with a 32/36 weber.. small one.. but oke.. eheheee.. think to upgrade to a bigger one, but weber is hard to find here.. mayb later try to hang out in semenanjung n look for one.. eheheee..

any mode on your ride?/ mind to share.. who knows, got idea n improve my car..
 

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im using iswara lmss.. with a 32/36 weber.. small one.. but oke.. eheheee.. think to upgrade to a bigger one, but weber is hard to find here.. mayb later try to hang out in semenanjung n look for one.. eheheee..

any mode on your ride?/ mind to share.. who knows, got idea n improve my car..
Hmm hows the pickup with that compare to original carb? Im thinking of getting that for a small upgrade haha :biggrin:

Got... uhh exhaust system only at the moment with pivot raizin. I preffer handling :driver:

So now my car is left at TiTan to go finish customing the coilovers... Very boring lah my car :burnout:
 

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Hmm hows the pickup with that compare to original carb? Im thinking of getting that for a small upgrade haha :biggrin:

Got... uhh exhaust system only at the moment with pivot raizin. I preffer handling :driver:

So now my car is left at TiTan to go finish customing the coilovers... Very boring lah my car :burnout:
pickup? not bad.. play wif my fren, win the pickup.. eheheee..

exhaust? how do u mode your exhaust?/ u use branded types or just upgrade the size n extractor?

btw, wat do u mean as handling?/ is it like spring and abs, bars etc?

sorry, i heard bout coilover, but i dont remember wats its for.. ahaha.. still learning on cars.. ehehehehe..
 

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pickup? not bad.. play wif my fren, win the pickup.. eheheee..

exhaust? how do u mode your exhaust?/ u use branded types or just upgrade the size n extractor?

btw, wat do u mean as handling?/ is it like spring and abs, bars etc?

sorry, i heard bout coilover, but i dont remember wats its for.. ahaha.. still learning on cars.. ehehehehe..
exhaust setup is based on your engine setup as well like determining how big the exhaust flow to use( on the exhaust piping )
handling wise mostly on bars and absorbers and yes coilover is adjustable absorbers where it is very great mod
 

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exhaust setup is based on your engine setup as well like determining how big the exhaust flow to use( on the exhaust piping )
handling wise mostly on bars and absorbers and yes coilover is adjustable absorbers where it is very great mod
how do i determined its sufficient or not my exhaust? heheheee.. feel " madot" or it wont go or anything..
 

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pickup? not bad.. play wif my fren, win the pickup.. eheheee..

exhaust? how do u mode your exhaust?/ u use branded types or just upgrade the size n extractor?

btw, wat do u mean as handling?/ is it like spring and abs, bars etc?

sorry, i heard bout coilover, but i dont remember wats its for.. ahaha.. still learning on cars.. ehehehehe..
Like what bro contreas said, you upgrade according to the size of your engine... mines a 1600cc so im using a 2" piping front to back with extractor + 2 bullets.

Yeah haha. All that to corner faster, I enjoy cornering rahter than speeding :love:

Its okay, we all start somewhere right? Coilover is the spring + absorber on 1 whole assembly, not in 2 pieces. You can use google for help too :biggrin:
 

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Like what bro contreas said, you upgrade according to the size of your engine... mines a 1600cc so im using a 2" piping front to back with extractor + 2 bullets.

Yeah haha. All that to corner faster, I enjoy cornering rahter than speeding :love:

Its okay, we all start somewhere right? Coilover is the spring + absorber on 1 whole assembly, not in 2 pieces. You can use google for help too :biggrin:
im using a 1.3 carb, preferable to usie 1.8 inch of pipe.. is there any size for intake manifold? wat about bullet? use the "kain perah" or just like a normal bullet.. and i use its orriginal route of piping.. eheheee.. dont giv trouble wif the authorities..

ya, now i noe wats coil over.. ahahaaa.. so noob..
 

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im using iswara lmss.. with a 32/36 weber.. small one.. but oke.. eheheee.. think to upgrade to a bigger one, but weber is hard to find here.. mayb later try to hang out in semenanjung n look for one.. eheheee..

any mode on your ride?/ mind to share.. who knows, got idea n improve my car..
weber 32/36 dgv???... damn i miss those weber... progressive carbs.. when 2nd barrel open like "buka vtec"... hahahaha...

im using a 1.3 carb, preferable to usie 1.8 inch of pipe.. is there any size for intake manifold? wat about bullet? use the "kain perah" or just like a normal bullet.. and i use its orriginal route of piping.. eheheee.. dont giv trouble wif the authorities..

ya, now i noe wats coil over.. ahahaaa.. so noob..
intake manifold use back oem one can adi... make sure ur carburetor is properly tuned... stoich AF all across the rpm...
 

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im using a 1.3 carb, preferable to usie 1.8 inch of pipe.. is there any size for intake manifold? wat about bullet? use the "kain perah" or just like a normal bullet.. and i use its orriginal route of piping.. eheheee.. dont giv trouble wif the authorities..

ya, now i noe wats coil over.. ahahaaa.. so noob..
Size ar?... not that I know of. Haha exhaust tuning another black art in M'sia, my friends 4g91 is only using 1.7" piping seems ngam, your 1.8" not too big ar? :hmmmm: Bullet. Hmm I also dunno whats the diff using what gains or loses what. If I start changing I update ZTH members lo... haha :biggrin:

Im also using original route of the piping :proud:
 

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weber 32/36 dgv???... damn i miss those weber... progressive carbs.. when 2nd barrel open like "buka vtec"... hahahaha...


intake manifold use back oem one can adi... make sure ur carburetor is properly tuned... stoich AF all across the rpm...
u mishh the 32/36? wat if we exchange.. i used your efi n u used my weber.. :biggrin: heheheeeeeee..
ya, once i drive the sound like v tec.. once spectator c, they say supercharger.. and wat i did is just i smile.. eheheeee..

bout the intake, i use 4 2 1, coz ori is 4 1.. heheeee.. u recomend to use the 4 1 oem?

btw, can u explain to me bout the stoich af all accross the rpm? dont understand bout that.. and i had tune it.. later ill try to seek for nick to tune it for me.. eheheheeee..

bro, u celebrate raya?

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Size ar?... not that I know of. Haha exhaust tuning another black art in M'sia, my friends 4g91 is only using 1.7" piping seems ngam, your 1.8" not too big ar? :hmmmm: Bullet. Hmm I also dunno whats the diff using what gains or loses what. If I start changing I update ZTH members lo... haha :biggrin:

Im also using original route of the piping :proud:
sorry, i dont know bout that.. bro, wat do u mean bout black art malaysia? ehehee.. curious to know..:adore:
 

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u mishh the 32/36? wat if we exchange.. i used your efi n u used my weber.. :biggrin: heheheeeeeee..
ya, once i drive the sound like v tec.. once spectator c, they say supercharger.. and wat i did is just i smile.. eheheeee..

bout the intake, i use 4 2 1, coz ori is 4 1.. heheeee.. u recomend to use the 4 1 oem?

btw, can u explain to me bout the stoich af all accross the rpm? dont understand bout that.. and i had tune it.. later ill try to seek for nick to tune it for me.. eheheheeee..

bro, u celebrate raya?

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sorry, i dont know bout that.. bro, wat do u mean bout black art malaysia? ehehee.. curious to know..:adore:
haha... i sold my DGV few years back adi before converting to efi... dun wanna look back la... but then, it was fun using it... gained quite alot of power jz from the weber itself... fine tuning was a trouble as there isnt many good tuners around... i need something more universal which any tuner would be able to do....

oem intake manifold is 1-2-4 laa... but all vr short and direct runners laa.... i recommend use back oem one can adi... wan yield more horsepower, get ur cylinder head port and polished done properly...

as for AFR... generally there are 3 condition... rich (too much fuel), lean (too less fuel) or stoich (ngam ngam correct ratio)... to know whether ur engine running what AFR, u need wideband o2 sensor... or a simply dyno run with AF reading will tell u ur AF graph with relation to the power n torque output of ur engine....

stoich AF is around 14.7:1... which means 14.7 pounds of air mix 1 pound of fuel...
lean AF means higher value... 14.7 above....
rich AF means lower value... 14.7 below....

if ur car run about 13.5:1 is good enough... need to be rich a little to prevent detonation at higher rpm....

raya??.. i celebrate HOLIDAY only... who cares siapa punya raya... lolz...
 

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haha... i sold my DGV few years back adi before converting to efi... dun wanna look back la... but then, it was fun using it... gained quite alot of power jz from the weber itself... fine tuning was a trouble as there isnt many good tuners around... i need something more universal which any tuner would be able to do....

oem intake manifold is 1-2-4 laa... but all vr short and direct runners laa.... i recommend use back oem one can adi... wan yield more horsepower, get ur cylinder head port and polished done properly...

as for AFR... generally there are 3 condition... rich (too much fuel), lean (too less fuel) or stoich (ngam ngam correct ratio)... to know whether ur engine running what AFR, u need wideband o2 sensor... or a simply dyno run with AF reading will tell u ur AF graph with relation to the power n torque output of ur engine....

stoich AF is around 14.7:1... which means 14.7 pounds of air mix 1 pound of fuel...
lean AF means higher value... 14.7 above....
rich AF means lower value... 14.7 below....

if ur car run about 13.5:1 is good enough... need to be rich a little to prevent detonation at higher rpm....

raya??.. i celebrate HOLIDAY only... who cares siapa punya raya... lolz...
oraite.. nice info bro.. sure gona do it.. tankiu so much..:adore:
 
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hi guyz... im new in zerotohundred...

need help from u sifu's out there... =)

i have modded me iswara hatchback abit already la as the following

4:2:1 extractor inclusive of bullet
Cheap open port Filter (red one)
S-flow Exhaust with 1.7" piping
Improve absorbers fronmt and back(springs are stock)
front 2 point bar
pivot raizin voltage stablizer
Semi- Overhaul my engine (change to new vavles) =)

i was thinking to change my carb to weber carb but it seems that it is hard to maintain around here... sigh... so been playing with stock since i bought the car. im a touge counterpart. not a dragster .. =X but still i come off corners abit slow... LOL... wat else do i need to get off corner faster?:driver:
 

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hi guyz... im new in zerotohundred...

need help from u sifu's out there... =)

i have modded me iswara hatchback abit already la as the following

4:2:1 extractor inclusive of bullet
Cheap open port Filter (red one)
S-flow Exhaust with 1.7" piping
Improve absorbers fronmt and back(springs are stock)
front 2 point bar
pivot raizin voltage stablizer
Semi- Overhaul my engine (change to new vavles) =)

i was thinking to change my carb to weber carb but it seems that it is hard to maintain around here... sigh... so been playing with stock since i bought the car. im a touge counterpart. not a dragster .. =X but still i come off corners abit slow... LOL... wat else do i need to get off corner faster?:driver:
LSD bro, HAHA. Perhaps lowering springs if youre on a tight budget? :biggrin: Im also gonna try change my carb to a weber, but I dont own a proton heh. Are you using stock seats or buckets? :hmmmm:
 

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hi guyz... im new in zerotohundred...

need help from u sifu's out there... =)

i have modded me iswara hatchback abit already la as the following

4:2:1 extractor inclusive of bullet
Cheap open port Filter (red one)
S-flow Exhaust with 1.7" piping
Improve absorbers fronmt and back(springs are stock)
front 2 point bar
pivot raizin voltage stablizer
Semi- Overhaul my engine (change to new vavles) =)

i was thinking to change my carb to weber carb but it seems that it is hard to maintain around here... sigh... so been playing with stock since i bought the car. im a touge counterpart. not a dragster .. =X but still i come off corners abit slow... LOL... wat else do i need to get off corner faster?:driver:
as a driver, in order to get off corners fast, i believed u can mantain yr rpm at a higher rate by doing the heel to toe. this will allow you maximize the power of yr car as compared to lower rpm.. ( you may have know about this tho) by mastering this technique of driving you can go come off corners real fast.

basically for touge, power doesnt really matter. handling matters most. so get yr dynamics right first. most importantly, get a good pair of hard front absorbers like GAB or TEIN. very important for cornering. then only sport springs. the rear absorbers are not so important. but remember that the front absorbers are very important. if its not hard enough, you are more likely to oversteer because when you are going through a corner at high speed, the force on the front absorber will push downwards, causing yr rear tyres to be very much lighter, and when u turn yr steering during that period at high speed, you will oversteer, thus causing u to lose control of yr car.

safety first. just my opinion. :)
 

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as a driver, in order to get off corners fast, i believed u can mantain yr rpm at a higher rate by doing the heel to toe. this will allow you maximize the power of yr car as compared to lower rpm.. ( you may have know about this tho) by mastering this technique of driving you can go come off corners real fast.

basically for touge, power doesnt really matter. handling matters most. so get yr dynamics right first. most importantly, get a good pair of hard front absorbers like GAB or TEIN. very important for cornering. then only sport springs. the rear absorbers are not so important. but remember that the front absorbers are very important. if its not hard enough, you are more likely to oversteer because when you are going through a corner at high speed, the force on the front absorber will push downwards, causing yr rear tyres to be very much lighter, and when u turn yr steering during that period at high speed, you will oversteer, thus causing u to lose control of yr car.

safety first. just my opinion. :)
Totally agree on the heel & toe-ing. But why do you say the rear absorbers are not so important? :hmmmm: Lol if the rears are soft esp in the old saga from a left-right corner I think it can oversteer also haha :biggrin:
 

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Totally agree on the heel & toe-ing. But why do you say the rear absorbers are not so important? :hmmmm: Lol if the rears are soft esp in the old saga from a left-right corner I think it can oversteer also haha :biggrin:
rear absorbers are important as well but not as important as the front because most of the impact on the absorbers are at the front when u corner at high speed. even with good absorbers u can oversteer, depending on how u take corners i believe haha.

well anyway, i always think the budget style first haha as we know a good pair of absorbers can cost up to 1.5K which is very much way out of most people's budget. forgive my inaccuracy :)
 

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recommend you to go to powerzone.com.my.their specialist in proton car mod
 

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hi guyz... im new in zerotohundred...

need help from u sifu's out there... =)

i have modded me iswara hatchback abit already la as the following

4:2:1 extractor inclusive of bullet
Cheap open port Filter (red one)
S-flow Exhaust with 1.7" piping
Improve absorbers fronmt and back(springs are stock)
front 2 point bar
pivot raizin voltage stablizer
Semi- Overhaul my engine (change to new vavles) =)

i was thinking to change my carb to weber carb but it seems that it is hard to maintain around here... sigh... so been playing with stock since i bought the car. im a touge counterpart. not a dragster .. =X but still i come off corners abit slow... LOL... wat else do i need to get off corner faster?:driver:
u need coilovers and more strut bars...
 

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hi guyz... im new in zerotohundred...

need help from u sifu's out there... =)

i have modded me iswara hatchback abit already la as the following

4:2:1 extractor inclusive of bullet
Cheap open port Filter (red one)
S-flow Exhaust with 1.7" piping
Improve absorbers fronmt and back(springs are stock)
front 2 point bar
pivot raizin voltage stablizer
Semi- Overhaul my engine (change to new vavles) =)

i was thinking to change my carb to weber carb but it seems that it is hard to maintain around here... sigh... so been playing with stock since i bought the car. im a touge counterpart. not a dragster .. =X but still i come off corners abit slow... LOL... wat else do i need to get off corner faster?:driver:
A wider tires set perhaps. It will give u a better grip during the corner compared to the 175 stock. I recommend u to use Bridgestone RE001.
 

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rear absorbers are important as well but not as important as the front because most of the impact on the absorbers are at the front when u corner at high speed. even with good absorbers u can oversteer, depending on how u take corners i believe haha.

well anyway, i always think the budget style first haha as we know a good pair of absorbers can cost up to 1.5K which is very much way out of most people's budget. forgive my inaccuracy :)
Mm yeah, like my wagon is running coilovers in the front, chopped springs + revalved absorbers in the rear, it handles good.

But, its not perfect. Quite weird lah the stroke front and rear, since im using shorter strokes in front it cant seem to absorb bumps as good as the rear over uneven surfaces BUT once the road is smooth the front is much stiffer :biggrin:

Just my 2 cents but I think balanced suspension is important too haha, not rojaked like mine... :driver: