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Hahahha, if that car owner is complaining about very expensive spray job, just politely ask the owner to "beli cat sendiri, buat prep work sendiri, spray paint sendiri and hepi sendiri".

Let see how much RM the owner spent and what is the outcome later. :biggrin:
 

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Hahahha, if that car owner is complaining about very expensive spray job, just politely ask the owner to "beli cat sendiri, buat prep work sendiri, spray paint sendiri and hepi sendiri".

Let see how much RM the owner spent and what is the outcome later. :biggrin:
lol buat sendiri, i imagine, 6 months down the road, kerja still belum siap, no car to drive:banghead:
 

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Actually, how expensive can a respray go? I've seen a Wira belonging to my friend's friend which had a superbly nice paint job with tiny specks of sparkles on it. The paint quality even looks better than those found in new cars out of factory. My friend said the Wira owner spent around RM6k to respray his Wira. Is it really worth it to spend this amount to respray at car and will these paint last long for like maybe more than 10 years?
 

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Actually, how expensive can a respray go? I've seen a Wira belonging to my friend's friend which had a superbly nice paint job with tiny specks of sparkles on it. The paint quality even looks better than those found in new cars out of factory. My friend said the Wira owner spent around RM6k to respray his Wira. Is it really worth it to spend this amount to respray at car and will these paint last long for like maybe more than 10 years?
Well d costs r very subjective n vary from shop to shop,location to location...I've spoke to n owner of a 350z near my place once (he painted his car in MULTIEFFECT aka chameleon)..asked him how much n where he did it..it cost him 13k n he did it somewhere in sunway..honestly I myself have done a couple for much less then that...

Regarding whether it lasts long n worth d dough u pay well that all depends on d painter n how he mixes the paint n how he sprays them n not to mention d product he uses..there r now loads of cheapo,'al-cap ayam' n in house brands especially for lacquer...n honestly they x really last (min 1yr max maybe 3yrs depends how u care for d car)...of coz it's very much cheaper (between 1k to 1.2k) for a whole car..so customer choice n budget plays a big part..
 

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Actually, how expensive can a respray go? I've seen a Wira belonging to my friend's friend which had a superbly nice paint job with tiny specks of sparkles on it. The paint quality even looks better than those found in new cars out of factory. My friend said the Wira owner spent around RM6k to respray his Wira. Is it really worth it to spend this amount to respray at car and will these paint last long for like maybe more than 10 years?
The tiny sparkles are the metallic flakes. There are fine metallic and coarse metallic too, so depends on what the owner wants. Paint cost is one thing then there is the clear coat which have many grades too. Glasurit is one of the better ones and very expensive.
So come to your wira whether worth the RM6k paint job. If your wira is worth RM6k and doing a RM6k paint job the wira is still worth RM6k only not RM12k.....lol
That is one of the main reason whether to spray my Sonata III or not. Overall the paint is still good but scratches here and there, some knocks here and there, Bumper paint is peeling. Car probably worth RM5k and to spray probably RM2k, so still thinking whether to spray or not.....lol
 

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The tiny sparkles are the metallic flakes. There are fine metallic and coarse metallic too, so depends on what the owner wants. Paint cost is one thing then there is the clear coat which have many grades too. Glasurit is one of the better ones and very expensive.
So come to your wira whether worth the RM6k paint job. If your wira is worth RM6k and doing a RM6k paint job the wira is still worth RM6k only not RM12k.....lol
That is one of the main reason whether to spray my Sonata III or not. Overall the paint is still good but scratches here and there, some knocks here and there, Bumper paint is peeling. Car probably worth RM5k and to spray probably RM2k, so still thinking whether to spray or not.....lol
Since I know my Wira can't be sold for any value, might as well keep it running for the next 10 years ma. Don't want to get new car and pay installment every month. Rather fix and experiment with new things on this Wira.
 

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The tiny sparkles are the metallic flakes. There are fine metallic and coarse metallic too, so depends on what the owner wants. Paint cost is one thing then there is the clear coat which have many grades too. Glasurit is one of the better ones and very expensive.
So come to your wira whether worth the RM6k paint job. If your wira is worth RM6k and doing a RM6k paint job the wira is still worth RM6k only not RM12k.....lol
That is one of the main reason whether to spray my Sonata III or not. Overall the paint is still good but scratches here and there, some knocks here and there, Bumper paint is peeling. Car probably worth RM5k and to spray probably RM2k, so still thinking whether to spray or not.....lol
Haha yeah true again bro...but in all seriousness whether u wanna respray ur car or x depends on whether ur willing n can tahan or x driving d car that looks that 'bad'..for me honestly I had my old Wira for about 16yrs n in those years I had it resprayed 2x (when I got d car it was oredi resprayed different color...so total 3x)..
 

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Since I know my Wira can't be sold for any value, might as well keep it running for the next 10 years ma. Don't want to get new car and pay installment every month. Rather fix and experiment with new things on this Wira.
Yeah bro..like I mentioned to bro vr if u can tahan or tolerate driving d car in its current condition (eg. With d bumps n scratches n all) then ok la..if x respraying is a good n effective investment n way to make an old ride look new (maybe even better then new factory cars...minus proton la which I personally think is crap...before my Wira I drove a brand new satria n d paint started to fade..front bonnet n roof..about 6-8months later)...
 

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Yeah bro..like I mentioned to bro vr if u can tahan or tolerate driving d car in its current condition (eg. With d bumps n scratches n all) then ok la..if x respraying is a good n effective investment n way to make an old ride look new (maybe even better then new factory cars...minus proton la which I personally think is crap...before my Wira I drove a brand new satria n d paint started to fade..front bonnet n roof..about 6-8months later)...
My current paint is ok, original from factory since 1999. Just that recently, rust problems started to appear on roof and rear bonnet. Minor dents and scratches can also be found on the side of the car body. So, I was thinking, I should respray the car some time in the future, probably next year or 2 years later.

But when it comes to respray, I wonder should I go for expensive ones like the RM6k that I mentioned earlier which looks impressive or just settle with some RM1k-RM2k paint. I saw before those ordinary respray and they do look terrible. They have some sort of matte look on it when I look at the paint up close. The RM6k paint Wira that I mentioned totally don't have such signs.
 

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My current paint is ok, original from factory since 1999. Just that recently, rust problems started to appear on roof and rear bonnet. Minor dents and scratches can also be found on the side of the car body. So, I was thinking, I should respray the car some time in the future, probably next year or 2 years later.

But when it comes to respray, I wonder should I go for expensive ones like the RM6k that I mentioned earlier which looks impressive or just settle with some RM1k-RM2k paint. I saw before those ordinary respray and they do look terrible. They have some sort of matte look on it when I look at the paint up close. The RM6k paint Wira that I mentioned totally don't have such signs.
@_@ now im scared...... most ppl quoted me around the 2.5k region (other than 2 crazy fellas, 1.6k and 8k), now i know, i have to ask if thats the good stuff or the cheap stuff....
 

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If just to repaint bumpers & skirting, normally I just go with the cheapest, as long as the color matches and shiny enough then I'm happy! The last time I just went with a Groupon deal for only like rm100 per panel to repaint my skirting. :biggrin: Why so? Because bumpers & skirting will often get scratches and chips again (especially as my car is also lowered), so I never want to pay much for those.

For body then may consider better quality ones, but normally I'm also not that particular with high quality expensive stuff like Glasurit etc2. I'm always looking for reasonable value for money stuff. But I'm very particular on the color matching, really itchy to even a slight difference in shade or metallic reflections.
 

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@_@ now im scared...... most ppl quoted me around the 2.5k region (other than 2 crazy fellas, 1.6k and 8k), now i know, i have to ask if thats the good stuff or the cheap stuff....
Problem is how would you know if it's good stuff or cheap stuff?? A shop can quote you a good stuff price but then paint using cheap stuff and you would not know until a few years down the road!
 

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@_@ now im scared...... most ppl quoted me around the 2.5k region (other than 2 crazy fellas, 1.6k and 8k), now i know, i have to ask if thats the good stuff or the cheap stuff....
8k for paint? What sort of godly level paint is that?

By the way, I have seen before a white Gallardo Spyder up close with a low quality paint job. Just like what I described earlier. From a far, it still looks fine like metallic paint. But when I am near the car, the paint looks funny because it had that matte look to it. Doesn't look as reflective as stock paint from factory. Sounds funny to me because if you own a Lamborghini, why do you go for a paint job like this. Or that could be the work from a second hand car dealer assuming the car is on sale before. I'll put a picture here and see if you can notice what I mean or not.



If just to repaint bumpers & skirting, normally I just go with the cheapest, as long as the color matches and shiny enough then I'm happy! The last time I just went with a Groupon deal for only like rm100 per panel to repaint my skirting. :biggrin: Why so? Because bumpers & skirting will often get scratches and chips again (especially as my car is also lowered), so I never want to pay much for those.

For body then may consider better quality ones, but normally I'm also not that particular with high quality expensive stuff like Glasurit etc2. I'm always looking for reasonable value for money stuff. But I'm very particular on the color matching, really itchy to even a slight difference in shade or metallic reflections.
I think bumpers and skirting is fine to use cheaper paint. They won't have rust problems unlike metal parts. And these parts can be replaced. The metal parts should be given more emphasis because they are prone to rust and they are difficult to be replaced.
 

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sad..... will remember install mudflaps and apply stickers/lips over the bumper and skirts after i paint my car
Hahaha no need to be so sayang la, later you'd still get hit by stones & sands from trucks anyway! Just take those scratches & chips as battle scars! :biggrin:
 

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8k for paint? What sort of godly level paint is that?

By the way, I have seen before a white Gallardo Spyder up close with a low quality paint job. Just like what I described earlier. From a far, it still looks fine like metallic paint. But when I am near the car, the paint looks funny because it had that matte look to it. Doesn't look as reflective as stock paint from factory. Sounds funny to me because if you own a Lamborghini, why do you go for a paint job like this. Or that could be the work from a second hand car dealer assuming the car is on sale before. I'll put a picture here and see if you can notice what I mean or not.



Ermmmm just FYI bro there's x metallic for white paint...anyway if d car was in a use car dealer then chances are they had d car touched up hence d problem u describe..OR it possibly be becoz d car been stationary quite a while n no care was taken...:hmmmm:
 

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Main cld be either solid,pearl or crystal (for white)..
 

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Problem is how would you know if it's good stuff or cheap stuff?? A shop can quote you a good stuff price but then paint using cheap stuff and you would not know until a few years down the road!
macam ni lagi takut man.... hmm will probably go to a shop with a good rep like faidik here, atleast x kene chop unknowingly
 

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ohh ya fazidk, does it cost alot more to add metal flake to a paint job?
 

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next time, before deciding to paint, or deciding which shop to go for painting, what brand......hire Fazidk as car paint-consultant. He will have double income later.
 

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ohh ya fazidk, does it cost alot more to add metal flake to a paint job?
Yeah bro it does cost higher...by how much depends on d kind of 'flakes' u want..it does come in variety of colors,types n grades
 

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next time, before deciding to paint, or deciding which shop to go for painting, what brand......hire Fazidk as car paint-consultant. He will have double income later.
Haha bro I recommend my own place la like that...
 

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Ermmmm just FYI bro there's x metallic for white paint...anyway if d car was in a use car dealer then chances are they had d car touched up hence d problem u describe..OR it possibly be becoz d car been stationary quite a while n no care was taken...:hmmmm:
I got my words wrong. I thought the normal white is also called metallic. What I noticed in the Gallardo is, the paint doesn't reflect as well as cars with white factory paint. It is just not that glossy.

Here's a photo of the Wira with RM6k paint. A bit difficult to notice the metal flake here.

 

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I got my words wrong. I thought the normal white is also called metallic. What I noticed in the Gallardo is, the paint doesn't reflect as well as cars with white factory paint. It is just not that glossy.

Here's a photo of the Wira with RM6k paint. A bit difficult to notice the metal flake here.

I would be hard pressed to call that a Wira anymore....:biggrin:
 

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Total amount spend on that Wira far exceeds its current value... I would even say it exceeded its original factory value too.
 

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Total amount spend on that Wira far exceeds its current value... I would even say it exceeded its original factory value too.
Mod and transplanted have higher value when have right buyer. If normal standard wira then lower value....:smokin:
 

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Well if u want a good shine that last long u need:
1. A good sprayer
2. Proper/correct mixture of paint
3. Proper/correct mixture of paint n thinner
4. Good quality lacquer
5. Good quality thinner (both normal n 2k thinner) AND
6. Make sure d prep is properly done..x point spending on good quality products when d initial prep work is x up to par..but x la expect a 30k result for a 2-3k job..:biggrin:
 

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Mod and transplanted have higher value when have right buyer. If normal standard wira then lower value....:smokin:
Slightly higher but won't be able to cover the costs spent. The paint alone is RM6k if what my friend said is true. The Brembo cost a lot too.
 

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Since I know my Wira can't be sold for any value, might as well keep it running for the next 10 years ma. Don't want to get new car and pay installment every month. Rather fix and experiment with new things on this Wira.
Standard wira no need RM6k paint lah.......:driver:
 

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Well if u want a good shine that last long u need:
1. A good sprayer
2. Proper/correct mixture of paint
3. Proper/correct mixture of paint n thinner
4. Good quality lacquer
5. Good quality thinner (both normal n 2k thinner) AND
6. Make sure d prep is properly done..x point spending on good quality products when d initial prep work is x up to par..but x la expect a 30k result for a 2-3k job..:biggrin:
Correct, prep is very important. Like putty work, sanding down skill. Some paint job I have seen when you get the car looks perfect, then after a week or two the sanding lines appears and you cannot get rid of it, because it is under the paint layer....:banghead:
 

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Well if u want a good shine that last long u need:
1. A good sprayer
2. Proper/correct mixture of paint
3. Proper/correct mixture of paint n thinner
4. Good quality lacquer
5. Good quality thinner (both normal n 2k thinner) AND
6. Make sure d prep is properly done..x point spending on good quality products when d initial prep work is x up to par..but x la expect a 30k result for a 2-3k job..:biggrin:
Means it depends on who is the sprayer as well? Now that is more difficult than getting good quality products.
 

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Want something that lasts. Don't want rust problem again. Don't know what to do if main body got rust.
The roof needs replacement. My ex wira had same problem. My friend grind until bare metal on both side, means from outside and inside. Change the glue holding the sheet and frame, paint anti rust paint before respray paint and clear coat. After about 8 months started to come back.....:banghead::banghead:
 

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Means it depends on who is the sprayer as well? Now that is more difficult than getting good quality products.
Yes it is depending a lot on the workmanship too, I might even think it's more important the materials. Good materials but not coupled with good workmanship will not result good too. However normal std materials but done with good workmanship might result better.
 

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Yes it is depending a lot on the workmanship too, I might even think it's more important the materials. Good materials but not coupled with good workmanship will not result good too. However normal std materials but done with good workmanship might result better.
I x think so bro..all are equally important s they work hand-in-hand..u can have a good painter but if d mixtures r wrong (too little or too much...that's y it's very important to follow d measurements when mixing) then things can go wrong wiz d finishing..but I do agree wiz u on ur last statement tho :)
 

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The roof needs replacement. My ex wira had same problem. My friend grind until bare metal on both side, means from outside and inside. Change the glue holding the sheet and frame, paint anti rust paint before respray paint and clear coat. After about 8 months started to come back.....:banghead::banghead:

this is exactly what happened to my colleague. He spend thousand of rm for the job, and rust still occur on the roof of the car. Worst, the boot starting to develop rust bubbles pulak. Her girlfren even named it "Rustie"

End of the day, he sold of the car for a song and bought a Myvi.
 

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this is exactly what happened to my colleague. He spend thousand of rm for the job, and rust still occur on the roof of the car. Worst, the boot starting to develop rust bubbles pulak. Her girlfren even named it "Rustie"

End of the day, he sold of the car for a song and bought a Myvi.
Yup, same here got feed up sold the Wira and bought the Sonata III. However I got good price because very well kept. I sold to the Dealer who sold me the Sonata but he offer RM19k market price wheres I wanted 21. Told him come over to my house to see. Once he saw, he called his partner and confirmed the deal......lol
 

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I x think so bro..all are equally important s they work hand-in-hand..u can have a good painter but if d mixtures r wrong (too little or too much...that's y it's very important to follow d measurements when mixing) then things can go wrong wiz d finishing..but I do agree wiz u on ur last statement tho :)
Yup, like clear coat must have correct amount of clear coat to the hardener. Sprayer also have to be good for even spraying. Too much end up with drip, too little the paint too thin.....:banghead:
 

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The roof needs replacement. My ex wira had same problem. My friend grind until bare metal on both side, means from outside and inside. Change the glue holding the sheet and frame, paint anti rust paint before respray paint and clear coat. After about 8 months started to come back.....:banghead::banghead:
Seems like a lot of Wira have this problem. Previously already send the roof for grinding. Now seems okay but the paint started to show signs of crack. Now the rust problem appears on rear bonnet and at the side of driver and passenger door. They are like aligned in one straight line. Small round of dots or bubble shaped rust.
 

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Seems like a lot of Wira have this problem. Previously already send the roof for grinding. Now seems okay but the paint started to show signs of crack. Now the rust problem appears on rear bonnet and at the side of driver and passenger door. They are like aligned in one straight line. Small round of dots or bubble shaped rust.
The rust if u notice on d roof or bonnet/hood follows d 'tulang'..x amount of grinding or stripping work can eliminate it once it appears...u can prolong it for a while (mine lasted 6yrs) before it pops up again...only solution is unfortunately to replace d respective panels..
 

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I x think so bro..all are equally important s they work hand-in-hand..u can have a good painter but if d mixtures r wrong (too little or too much...that's y it's very important to follow d measurements when mixing) then things can go wrong wiz d finishing..but I do agree wiz u on ur last statement tho :)
Well what I mean with workmanship is everything that includes the work package, like careful mixing, prep, finishing and cleaning works, not just painting. So wrong mixing means not good workmanship also. :biggrin:
 

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Seems like a lot of Wira have this problem. Previously already send the roof for grinding. Now seems okay but the paint started to show signs of crack. Now the rust problem appears on rear bonnet and at the side of driver and passenger door. They are like aligned in one straight line. Small round of dots or bubble shaped rust.
Common Proton problem on Wira and Iswara, Wira more on roof and boot cover. Iswara door and engine bonnet.
I sold the Wira because of this rust problem only, engine is Mitsu so no complaints.....
 

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The rust if u notice on d roof or bonnet/hood follows d 'tulang'..x amount of grinding or stripping work can eliminate it once it appears...u can prolong it for a while (mine lasted 6yrs) before it pops up again...only solution is unfortunately to replace d respective panels..
If rust appears on body area where the parts are non removable, what can be done to it? And is rust problem related to paint job quality?

Common Proton problem on Wira and Iswara, Wira more on roof and boot cover. Iswara door and engine bonnet.
I sold the Wira because of this rust problem only, engine is Mitsu so no complaints.....
My front hood last time already got multiple rust until can see tiny holes where light can actually go through. Replaced the whole hood at the end. Your Wira is on what year? Carb or EFI?
 

ken yeang

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ken yeang

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Yup, like clear coat must have correct amount of clear coat to the hardener. Sprayer also have to be good for even spraying. Too much end up with drip, too little the paint too thin.....:banghead:
Agree. Some shops offer very cheap price for the paint job. But the paint sprayed on the vehicle was simply too thin, single layer samor, with little prep work......and after couple of years, the colour underneath shows through.

I see that alot of such cases in company lorries and van.