Launch: 2017 PORSCHE 911 MK2 - NA NO MORE

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Today, Porsche Malaysia unveiled the latest 911 series. Following global trends in engine downsizing and turbocharging to meet the ever-stringent emissions regulations, the 2017 Porsche 911 (991-gen) is now force-fed. Yes, all 911s of the future will be turbocharged from even the base model.



Not to be confused with the 911 Turbo, these next-generation 911 Carrera models are no longer naturally aspirated, so are dubbed the 991 mark II, where it is more powerful and efficient than ever before.

Powertrain

The 991.2 now features a 3.0-litre twin-turbocharged flat-six engine, replacing the older 3.4-litre naturally-aspirated unit on the 991.1.



In the new Carrera, its twin-turbo engine produces 370hp and 450Nm of torque while the Carrera S and Carrera 4S, sporting different compressor wheels, exhaust and a specific ECU tune nets in 420hp and 500Nm of torque.

Both entry level 911 models now serve up 20hp and 60nm more than their non turbocharged predecessors. Both Carreras can rev up to 7,500 rpm on their tachometers, a respectably high engine speed for a turbocharged engine, no less.

Exterior



The 2017 Porsche 911 gets cosmetic changes to distinguish it from the predecessor. There's new headlights with quadrant LED, new tail lights, re-profiled front intakes, and a pair of 911 Turbo-like vents in the rear bumper.



Side intakes will be available exclusively for the king 911. Yes, the one with a Turbo badge at the rear. On this new turbocharged 911 however, gets fed air through the cooling panel at the rear deck, with the grille on the rear panel now being vertically-arranged, as compared to horizontal arrangement on the naturally-aspirated, previous 911.1.



Reducing rolling resistance and enhanced performance are the new five slim twin spoke wheels and the rear tyres of the Carrera S and Carrera 4S now measure at 305 instead of 295.

Interior




New on the 991.2 is the Sport Chrono Package which now features a mode switch on the steering wheel, derived from the 918 Spyder hybrid supercar. The mode switch enables the driver to select from Normal, Sport, Sport Plus and Individual; the latter settings configure the PASM, active engine mounts, PDK shifting strategy and sport exhaust system according to the driver's preference.



There are also Sport Response Button, in which when pressed, releases maximum performance for a short period of time. Specifically for 20 seconds, the drivetrain and engine management are conditioned to a spontaneous response.



Functional improvements were thrown at the 911's interior, too. A new seven-inch touch-screen infotainment display offers Apple CarPlay integration, touch response familiar to smartphone users plus Google Earth and Street View maps.

Chassis

The PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) is now standard on all Carreras. It lowers ride height by 10 mm and further improves stability and performance during cornering.



The active rear-wheel steering is now an option for the Carrera S and Carrera 4S, adopted from the 911 Turbo and 911 GT3. The system enhances the car's stability and agility at various speeds.



Everyday practicality is not compromised with the inclusion of Porsche's hydraulic lift system with integrated lifting cylinders in the front struts. The hydraulic lift increases the car's ground clearance by 40 mm to help the car maneuver around steep surfaces.

Safety

In the boring-but-important category of 2017 911 improvements, there are improved Porsche Traction Management (PTM) that promises exceptional traction in all driving conditions.



The new 911 Carrera models also get new safety features such as post-collision braking and blind-spot monitoring as well as coasting feature built into the adaptive cruise control.

Now, will we miss the naturally-aspirated Carrera?



2016 Porsche 911

Engine: 3.0-litre twin-turbo flat-six
Power: Carrera: 370hp; Carrera S: 420hp; Carrera 4S: 420hp
Torque: Carrera: 450Nm; Carrera S: 500Nm; Carrera 4S: 500Nm
Zerotohundred: Carrera: 4.2 seconds; Carrera S: 3.9 seconds; Carrera 4S: 3.8 seconds
Transmissions: 7-speed dual-clutch automatic PDK
Dimensions: 4496mm (L), 1803-1880mm (W), 1295mm (H)
Weight from: 1,251kg
Fuel consumption: Carrera: 7.4L/100km; Carrera S: 7.7L/100km; Carrera 4S: 7.9L/100km
Price: Carrera: RM870,000; Carrera S: RM970,000; Carrera 4S: RM1,040,000
 
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Will never miss it coz never rich enough to own one anyway! :biggrin:

Btw seems to have excellent fuel efficiency for such a powerful car.
 

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Will never miss it coz never rich enough to own one anyway! :biggrin:

Btw seems to have excellent fuel efficiency for such a powerful car.
haha....same same. The only Porsche I was in was the old 924, was in my mechanic shop modding some injectors....:biggrin:
 

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seems like smaller displacement and turbo is the future to motorsport :driver:
According to Andreas Preuninger, Porsche's Head of GT Department, the next GT3 will remain in NA form. Not sure about Cayman GT4 though.
Few decades ago when turbocharging is getting popular on performance cars, many people are going crazy about turbo.

Today when turbo is starting to go mainstream, people are starting to miss back NA. :biggrin:
 

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petrol heads, never satisfied :rofl:
At this rate, NA will soon go down the same path with carburetors. For carburetors, I don't really see much people missing it except older people. There are some elderly guys that I've met who keep praising over how good carb is compared to fuel injection.

On the other hand, the release of this new turbocharged base 911 Carrera has somewhat left its more powerful sibling in a confused state. It used to be called 911 Turbo because it is turbocharged. Then came the 911 GT2 which is turbocharged. Now, even the base model is also turbocharged.
 
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a huge part of the market demands efficiency and affordability, next thing we know most passenger cars would be turbo-equipped straight outa manufacture plants. all i know there're TSI, EcoBoost etc and now VTec has hopped on board too.

i believe the only way to differentiate them now is the signature 3.8L engine behind the Turbo badge :burnout:
 

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Is due to emission laws. Big displacement hard to tune to have good emission, that is why they are changing over to smaller displacement then turbo it.....
 

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emission law! i remember jeremy clarkson once said "continue building big engines to keep the cold parts of the world warm." well i hope these laws do serve its cause
 

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while it might seem like a huge move away from NA, I for one won't miss the NA. On the most part because I have yet to have one long enough to live with so no nostalgia there. Secondly, unless we are talking about GT Porsches or any notable performance car that are NA based for that matter, there's really nothing much to be missed IMHO.

Regular 911s will substantially benefit from the move to turbo, just like how the current BMWs and Mercs are force fed.

On regular daily cars, I think these new turbo engines are just so much more enjoyable to drive compared to the NAs of before.
 

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a huge part of the market demands efficiency and affordability, next thing we know most passenger cars would be turbo-equipped straight outa manufacture plants. all i know there're TSI, EcoBoost etc and now VTec has hopped on board too.

i believe the only way to differentiate them now is the signature 3.8L engine behind the Turbo badge :burnout:
The Europeans have already turbocharged almost all of their lineup. Now the Japanese are starting to do it with Honda trying it on Civic. Soon other manufacturers will follow suit for sure.

Sure there are several ways to differentiate between a standard Carrera and Turbo other than the engine itself. Some traits of 911 Turbo are wider body at rear and that side air vent near the rear wheel arch.

What I mean about 911 Turbo is left in a confused state is, the originality and special trait of 911 Turbo is getting less clear now. It used to be unique as it is the only turbocharged 911 among its variants. Later on 4WD came to the 911 Turbo during 993 generation which became another special trait of 911 Turbo. Now, I'm quite sure that the Carrera 4 and 4S that will come later is going to be turbocharged 4WD as well.

Yes, I know that Porsche will still make the 911 Turbo a more powerful car than the Carrera series but the thing is, 911 Turbo is no longer as unique as it used to be now. Sorry for the long post, maybe I'm just thinking in a purist kind of way.

Is due to emission laws. Big displacement hard to tune to have good emission, that is why they are changing over to smaller displacement then turbo it.....
I miss the days when the automotive development race is not so restricted by emission laws unlike today... Sports car should actually be given more leniency when it comes to emission standards since they are the minority among the cars driving on the road.
 

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I miss the days when the automotive development race is not so restricted by emission laws unlike today... Sports car should actually be given more leniency when it comes to emission standards since they are the minority among the cars driving on the road.
But then law is law, if they pass what you mention, probably more trouble brewing with plenty of protest......hahhahhaha:biggrin:
 

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The Europeans have already turbocharged almost all of their lineup. Now the Japanese are starting to do it with Honda trying it on Civic. Soon other manufacturers will follow suit for sure.

Sure there are several ways to differentiate between a standard Carrera and Turbo other than the engine itself. Some traits of 911 Turbo are wider body at rear and that side air vent near the rear wheel arch.

What I mean about 911 Turbo is left in a confused state is, the originality and special trait of 911 Turbo is getting less clear now. It used to be unique as it is the only turbocharged 911 among its variants. Later on 4WD came to the 911 Turbo during 993 generation which became another special trait of 911 Turbo. Now, I'm quite sure that the Carrera 4 and 4S that will come later is going to be turbocharged 4WD as well.

Yes, I know that Porsche will still make the 911 Turbo a more powerful car than the Carrera series but the thing is, 911 Turbo is no longer as unique as it used to be now. Sorry for the long post, maybe I'm just thinking in a purist kind of way.
exactly! even honda which has always been famed for its domination within the NA scene has now moved on. soon enough, the quote "no replacement for displacement" will be dismissed to make way for turbo era :hmmmm:

your statement is now clear to me :idea: no worries bout the elaborated post, i'm more than glad to be reading and getting more insight. it is always saddening for purists to see their favorite cars evolve into something blurry or even lose their originality. feeeels
 

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exactly! even honda which has always been famed for its domination within the NA scene has now moved on. soon enough, the quote "no replacement for displacement" will be dismissed to make way for turbo era :hmmmm:

your statement is now clear to me :idea: no worries bout the elaborated post, i'm more than glad to be reading and getting more insight. it is always saddening for purists to see their favorite cars evolve into something blurry or even lose their originality. feeeels
Imagine few decades later when turbocharged cars are everywhere and you let some drivers who have never driven NA before to try out some NA engine. Specifically NA engines with independent throttle body like 4A-GE 20 valve. They are probably going to be shocked with the instantaneous response and loud intake roar from NA engines. Just like how some of us are fascinated by blow off sound and the sudden kick in feeling from turbo engines. :biggrin:

Well, purists can't really do anything to change the decision from manufacturers. Other than Porsche, other cars are also following the same fate. Like BMW M cars where previously they are all Straight 6 NA. Later on they went V8 and V10. Now going into turbo. Ferrari and Lamborghini no longer makes cars with traditional manual gearbox. Mazda have stopped manufacturing rotary engines for now. The famous 8.4 litre Dodge Viper is also officially announced to be dead few days ago. I guess individuality and uniqueness in automotive is hard to be retained now due to emission laws.
 

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exactly! even honda which has always been famed for its domination within the NA scene has now moved on. soon enough, the quote "no replacement for displacement" will be dismissed to make way for turbo era :hmmmm:
But Forced Induction (Turbo/Super charged) is considered displacement also. Forcing a small displacement to become a bigger one......:rofl::driver:
 

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while it might seem like a huge move away from NA, I for one won't miss the NA. On the most part because I have yet to have one long enough to live with so no nostalgia there. Secondly, unless we are talking about GT Porsches or any notable performance car that are NA based for that matter, there's really nothing much to be missed IMHO.

Regular 911s will substantially benefit from the move to turbo, just like how the current BMWs and Mercs are force fed.

On regular daily cars, I think these new turbo engines are just so much more enjoyable to drive compared to the NAs of before.
If it is about better torque at low end RPM, the turbo engines will have the advantage over NA.

But I think what people might miss in NA are the quick response, engine acoustics and the smooth high revving nature. I guess this is more of a feeling kind of thing rather than practicability.

All in all, the move to turbo is for the sake of efficiency and practicability while NA is more of having fun in a different way. It is almost like the case of dual clutch transmission vs manual transmission.
 

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that's legit explanation coming from sifus who have test driven so many cars of different characteristics. i surely need more exposure and understanding before making hasty statements :trytofly:
 

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that's legit explanation coming from sifus who have test driven so many cars of different characteristics. i surely need more exposure and understanding before making hasty statements :trytofly:
I'm not any sifu myself. I'm just 23 this year and I have very limited first hand test drive experience compared to many other members here. Probably you have more experience than I do when it comes to test drive. I still have more to learn from reading over here.
 

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If it is about better torque at low end RPM, the turbo engines will have the advantage over NA.

But I think what people might miss in NA are the quick response, engine acoustics and the smooth high revving nature. I guess this is more of a feeling kind of thing rather than practicability.

All in all, the move to turbo is for the sake of efficiency and practicability while NA is more of having fun in a different way. It is almost like the case of dual clutch transmission vs manual transmission.
Fair point renesis, but today's Turbo engines pretty much cover the needs of drivers today, be it response, efficiency, power, even maybe sound. Do I like the new BMW'S more than the NA ones of before? Very much yes. I can visualize the sensation of their 6 cylinder NA engines and I love them but to be honest I hardly miss it. If I see or drive one today, I still get excited yes.

Its BMW M's 8000+ RPM engines and those are special. Pedigrees such as this should be preserved yes

Its the everyday cars that people should embrace new tech, such as this 991.2 911 for example.










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Complaining about a Porsche going from NA to Turbo is like a spoilt brat complaining his RM30,000 Vertu phone only supports Itunes and no longer supports MP3s.

Meaning only those who actually own the the NA will care about the turbo. The rest of us can only dream of the day we own a Porsche for real.
 

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Fair point renesis, but today's Turbo engines pretty much cover the needs of drivers today, be it response, efficiency, power, even maybe sound. Do I like the new BMW'S more than the NA ones of before? Very much yes. I can visualize the sensation of their 6 cylinder NA engines and I love them but to be honest I hardly miss it. If I see or drive one today, I still get excited yes.

Its BMW M's 8000+ RPM engines and those are special. Pedigrees such as this should be preserved yes

Its the everyday cars that people should embrace new tech, such as this 991.2 911 for example.


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Makes sense about going turbocharged in daily cars since most users are more into practicability than fun. But can this 911 Carrera considered to be a daily car more than a performance car? Yes, I know that many have said about Porsche Carrera series being one of those sports car that is practical enough for daily drive.

When it comes to BMW M engines, I like the the previous S65 V8 engine that comes with ITB. It sounds better than the new S55 turbo in the new M3 and M4. Too bad that BMW is moving away from NA.
 

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Complaining about a Porsche going from NA to Turbo is like a spoilt brat complaining his RM30,000 Vertu phone only supports Itunes and no longer supports MP3s.

Meaning only those who actually own the the NA will care about the turbo. The rest of us can only dream of the day we own a Porsche for real.
What I'm saying is, the move to turbo had somewhat blurred the distinction line between a normal 911 with a 911 Turbo. I'm not sure on how to put it but this makes it feel like soon the 911 lineup is going to be a line of very similar cars with minor differences unlike before. Now, turbo is no longer a standalone trait that belongs to 911 Turbo, Turbo S and GT2. Perhaps Porsche might do some changes to the 911 Turbo to give it a clearer identity compared to other 911.

I'm not saying the new Carrera turbo is a bad car or a wrong move by Porsche. Just that I felt it had somehow dampened the appeal of 911 Turbo.
 

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What I'm saying is, the move to turbo had somewhat blurred the distinction line between a normal 911 with a 911 Turbo. I'm not sure on how to put it but this makes it feel like soon the 911 lineup is going to be a line of very similar cars with minor differences unlike before. Now, turbo is no longer a standalone trait that belongs to 911 Turbo, Turbo S and GT2. Perhaps Porsche might do some changes to the 911 Turbo to give it a clearer identity compared to other 911.

I'm not saying the new Carrera turbo is a bad car or a wrong move by Porsche. Just that I felt it had somehow dampened the appeal of 911 Turbo.
The 911 Turbo is distinct just as always and doesn't make it any less distinct even if its lesser siblings adopt forced induction. Today's people are definitely smarter than before and know the difference between a 800K 911 Carrera and what might be a 2018 1.2M(?) 911 Turbo even if both of them are turbocharged.

The 911 Turbo will also be the widest 911 as always, likely pack double the power of regular 911s , gets the best of what Porsche has to offer and more.

So i don't see how this dampens the appeal of the high end Turbo model and like you said, they'd likely make their top tier cars different than their regular line up
 

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The 911 Turbo is distinct just as always and doesn't make it any less distinct even if its lesser siblings adopt forced induction. Today's people are definitely smarter than before and know the difference between a 800K 911 Carrera and what might be a 2018 1.2M(?) 911 Turbo even if both of them are turbocharged.

The 911 Turbo will also be the widest 911 as always, likely pack double the power of regular 911s , gets the best of what Porsche has to offer and more.

So i don't see how this dampens the appeal of the high end Turbo model and like you said, they'd likely make their top tier cars different than their regular line up
Certainly there will be an amount of difference between the base Carrera and the top end 911 Turbo. Is just that turbocharging is no longer an exclusiveness reserved for 911 Turbo and GT2. Putting this aside, the good thing from this new engine is that tuning the Carrera for more power will be easier due to turbocharging.

Now that Carrera had gone through this radical change, perhaps we can expect Porsche to come up with something unexpected for the current 991 911 Turbo facelift to set the bar even higher.
 

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Porsche or Sports car aside, if talking about Turbo and NA, I think Bro. Renesis probably confused from old school turbo like mine and new Generation of turbo. Old school are mainly power turbo with turbo lag and power coming in after 3k RPM. Nowadays turbo can be tuned for torque like Proton Exora. They have turbo but are not powerful but they add torque for better drive. Then others like twin scroll, Variable and so on so is a whole new thing, even for oldie like me.....hhahhahahhah:biggrin:
 

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Porsche or Sports car aside, if talking about Turbo and NA, I think Bro. Renesis probably confused from old school turbo like mine and new Generation of turbo. Old school are mainly power turbo with turbo lag and power coming in after 3k RPM. Nowadays turbo can be tuned for torque like Proton Exora. They have turbo but are not powerful but they add torque for better drive. Then others like twin scroll, Variable and so on so is a whole new thing, even for oldie like me.....hhahhahahhah:biggrin:
Yeah, I've heard about modern turbo engines have much less lag compared to the old turbo engines during 80s and 90s. I think the power delivery is also more linear and consistent unlike older turbo where you get that sudden pull after mid RPM. That is due to the usage of smaller turbo for faster spooling time that minimizes turbo lag isn't it?
 

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As mentioned many turbo system now and torque now comes in at a low 1k plus RPM only
Anything 1.6 Turbo and above are amazing these days, be it response, power or fc.


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