car skid

[kazukimy]

nop, wont make ur car go oversteer,wakaka, juz without the traction control....
if wan to make ur car tend to oversteer juz have hard rear absorber and spring set...lo9lz

 

[EvolutionZ]

the best is don simply steer...dangerous...

 

[seviates]

Guys, if your heading towards Sunway toll from say D'sara, there's a left turn heading to taylors college/hostel if not mistaken.There is
a road going further up straight and one really sharp bend going right uphill across the LDP
I kinda felt the rear just swing off but i was in ctrl of the front wheels and i did not apply brakes till the i knew i was going hit the divider
and yes the steering does not go back to center
the tires seem pretty alright still, my thoughts is that i feel like the car flying off even cornering on a road that
has small cracks and patches.

---------- Post added at 04:15 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 04:08 PM ----------

There are only a few things that I can think of that causes that sort of skid :

1. Crappy tyres like Bridgestone MY01 tyres. I experienced the same thing as you at 20km/h.
2. You have overly aggressive or incorrectly set toe and camber settings. Usually apparent when driving straight and the car is fidgety.
3. Remove whatever bars you have especially the rear upper room bar. That one causes extremely oversteer-y issues.
4. If your steering isn't turning back, you need a new one. My steering rack died after issue #1.
5. Bent absorbers and/or springs. Dead absorbers and springs will just make your ride dead awful.
6. Dead bushes that change the geometry of your wheels.
7. Overly aggressive brakes that you stomped on mid corner. You shouldn't need to brake in a corner at those speeds.

# 4, 5 and 6 seem like the case, owh yeah i changed the steering rack and while checking 2 days ago, i found leakage like this oil is sprayed all over the rack area stains on the horn as well.
Thanks for all the input, jotting down all the possibilities

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Guys, if your heading towards Sunway toll from say D'sara, there's a left turn heading to taylors college/hostel if not mistaken.There is
a road going further up straight and one really sharp bend going right uphill across the LDP
I kinda felt the rear just swing off but i was in ctrl of the front wheels and i did not apply brakes till the i knew i was going hit the divider
and yes the steering does not go back to center
the tires seem pretty alright still, my thoughts is that i feel like the car flying off even cornering on a road that has small cracks and patches.

Try downhill next time, that leads u to Sunway Toll. I drive on that road quite often last time...so coming down the slope with the sharp bent, yes I felt my rear swings a little...

Tyres were screeching as well...but use to it, I know the it is screeching but still enough to grip at the speed I'm going...kinda get addicted to it

End up skidded when try on other corners in Jalan Kuching when ground is wet LOL!

 

[Izso]

SupraFan : dude.. for understeer the only thing you can do is try to power out and hope it grips. Oversteer you can counter.

In most emergency cases, the average driver will jam on the brakes and if you're understeering, good luck with full wheel lock if no ABS. Oversteer is dangerous mainly because in the event the car oversteers to the point of no return, you get a 180 turn and end up in the wrong direction. Understeer you just don't turn as accurately as you like but at the same time you have less control. I guess it all boils down to experience.

Oversteer is fun though.

 

[DanzEterna]

wat car u using? just get wider JJ rims with < 30 offsets.....

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

SupraFan : dude.. for understeer the only thing you can do is try to power out and hope it grips. Oversteer you can counter.

In most emergency cases, the average driver will jam on the brakes and if you're understeering, good luck with full wheel lock if no ABS. Oversteer is dangerous mainly because in the event the car oversteers to the point of no return, you get a 180 turn and end up in the wrong direction. Understeer you just don't turn as accurately as you like but at the same time you have less control. I guess it all boils down to experience.

Oversteer is fun though.

Appreciate for the further elaboration on questions...

Thanks BRO!

---------- Post added at 01:18 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 01:16 PM ----------

It reminds me on how I skidded...understeered on wet road...cant control at all no matter how I turn...couldn't try power out as well...
ground is wet...brakes not working...saved by the curb.

 

[kazukimy]

alternative when u understeer, u can pull ur handbrake/e-brake... but u need to knw how to control after u pull it...

 

[Izso]

It reminds me on how I skidded...understeered on wet road...cant control at all no matter how I turn...couldn't try power out as well...
ground is wet...brakes not working...saved by the curb.

Aquaplaning in a corner? Wah.. that's just bloody dangerous. Can't do sh*t in that sort of situation. Or perhaps it your tyres that need changing?

 

[6UE5t]

Hey guys,

recently, i found my car totally unreliable for cornering
just days ago, i took a simple sharp turn and the cat skid
spun and hit the divider (bumper cracked)
i can understand if i had gone really fast, it was 40-50kmh
on 2nd gear.
I noticed this on highways too.
whenever there is a corner and slight uneven road,
the car is like trying to throw me off and i feel like
the back half of the car is not really holding the ground
i have changed drive shaft,steering rack, suspension mountings, steering bush

one thing i noticed i noticed is when turn the steering full either left or right
and then let go,the steering does not come back to correct position, its like it
something not balanced
using a putra and need you guys advise. I dont feel safe driving that fella right now

Hmm probably the simplest thing to do is check your wheel alignment first, since you said your tyres are still pretty new. Misaligned wheels can easily make the car handling nervous. But again, a car spun can be because of many other things too:
- still going too fast for that corner, and/or
- you entered too fast and then abruptly lift up the gas in mid corner, and/or
- braked too hard mid corner, and/or
- brake balance is too much at the rear which makes the rear locks up first, and/or
- the corner is off camber, and/or
- has a bump in mid corner that upset the car especially if you already have a broken damper/shock absorbers, and/or
- got oil/slippery stuff, and/or
- your steering input was too inconsistent/not smooth, etc2.

 

[dinoz_fed]

now ur streering rack is still leak? something wrong with power steering system?

 

[seviates]

hello guys,

checked steering rack, its alright together with drive shaft.
I changed 2 adjustable (bestec) not enough dow to plugin a Tanabe or Eibach.
now, i noticed that there seems to be too much free play in the steering.
does it play a hand in the car skid?
need to wait next month b4 i can get some UR bars installed, as for now
quite nice though i dnt like the tyre hitting the fender

 

[LesleyAprotto]

As i said earlier, i think your tie-rod or other faults at your suspension system played a role in your car skidding incidences...
Ask your mechanic to check entire suspension system and change what is necessary...
Hope this will solve your problem...

 

[neohadri]

i can't believe people here advocate the idea of oversteer is much easier to correct than understeer, for most of u guys track kaki's, of course no problem lah, but i have 19year old lil brother who just got his driving license, he also surf zth from time to time, if he read & believe what been said here without having similar abilities & experience, he might get himself in trouble.

for mere mortal & ordinary driver like myself & most driver on the road who drive normal car, understeer is much easier to correct than oversteer,

under/oversteer happen when the tyre cannot withstand lateral or combination between longitudinal(acc/braking) & lateral load(turning force) that act on them,

during understeer when the combination of both long.& lateral load are more than what the tyre can handle, the tyre will skid, in this case, it's the front tyre, if we reduce either load let say, longitudinal load by releasing the throtlle, the tyre will regain it grip & we will regain back control, even if understeer still happen eventhou our foot is off throttle, the understeer process itself will reduce vehicle speed(long.force) & grip will be restore

during oversteer, similar thing that caused the front tyre to lose grip now happen to rear tyre, let say we turn right for right corner, rear end start sliding & steering wheel want to spin itself to left becuz front tyre still gripping the road, now, if we reduce the long. force by releasing the throttle, snap oversteer can happen becuz after the tyre regain back it grip the steering is now facing wrong direction which is left, or the weight now shift to the front & rear tyre that used to have contact patchthe size of palm now have contact patch the size of finger thumb(for example), the car will end up spinning 360° because the tyre now have less grip & continue sliding & driver unable to stop steering wheel spinning left fast enough.

i use releasing throtle as an example for correction method becuz it is the first thing ordinary driver will do once understeer/oversteer happen

 

[Izso]

i can't believe people here advocate the idea of oversteer is much easier to correct than understeer, for most of u guys track kaki's, of course no problem lah, but i have 19year old lil brother who just got his driving license, he also surf zth from time to time, if he read & believe what been said here without having similar abilities & experience, he might get himself in trouble.

for mere mortal & ordinary driver like myself & most driver on the road who drive normal car, understeer is much easier to correct than oversteer,

under/oversteer happen when the tyre cannot withstand lateral or combination between longitudinal(acc/braking) & lateral load(turning force) that act on them,

during understeer when the combination of both long.& lateral load are more than what the tyre can handle, the tyre will skid, in this case, it's the front tyre, if we reduce either load let say, longitudinal load by releasing the throtlle, the tyre will regain it grip & we will regain back control, even if understeer still happen eventhou our foot is off throttle, the understeer process itself will reduce vehicle speed(long.force) & grip will be restore

during oversteer, similar thing that caused the front tyre to lose grip now happen to rear tyre, let say we turn right for right corner, rear end start sliding & steering wheel want to spin itself to left becuz front tyre still gripping the road, now, if we reduce the long. force by releasing the throttle, snap oversteer can happen becuz after the tyre regain back it grip the steering is now facing wrong direction which is left, or the weight now shift to the front & rear tyre that used to have contact patchthe size of palm now have contact patch the size of finger thumb(for example), the car will end up spinning 360° because the tyre now have less grip & continue sliding & driver unable to stop steering wheel spinning left fast enough.

i use releasing throtle as an example for correction method becuz it is the first thing ordinary driver will do once understeer/oversteer happen

Well, I guess to each his own. And you're absolutely right on your description on oversteer and understeer.

However you forgot to take into account when encountering an oversteer, most newbies like your brother will slam on the brakes. Understeering with full wheel lock is probably worse than oversteering with full wheel lock.

In the case of oversteer (in most cases) instinct will either force you to counter or completely freeze while standing on the brakes.

Depending on the situation and environment, either one of these situations can be worse than the other. Understeer - in the event of driving around Genting Sempah it'll mean certain death. Oversteer - driving up the barriered Genting road would be pretty nasty too.

So ultimately - don't bloody speed la. Especially on public roads. You're not going to win anything by going 100km/h in a bend and only have a lot to lose if anything nasty happens

(That was a message to your little brother)