Airtrek Turbo (CU2W) Engine (4G63T), tranny and drivetrain swap to Lancer 2008

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As per mentioned above, is it doable for the above swap. In US, there's this dude swap in 4G63T from an Evo 8 into his Evo X and made 600whp. Airtrek turbo half cuts are quite affordable and it also packs 240hp and AWD stock.

Exploring some options since i ad done 1jzvvti into my BMW coupe.
 

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Dear All,

As per mentioned above, is it doable for the above swap. In US, there's this dude swap in 4G63T from an Evo 8 into his Evo X and made 600whp. Airtrek turbo half cuts are quite affordable and it also packs 240hp and AWD stock.

Exploring some options since i ad done 1jzvvti into my BMW coupe.
As long as you have money and a adventurous tuner/mech, any engine can be fitted into any car.

I've heard of a 4AGE Myvi, K-swapped Persona, B18 Myvi, B18 Wira, 2jz Defender, 1jz BMW, SR20 BMW, RB26 BMW, 2JZ Cayenne, JZA80 Supra with a N52 3.0, the list goes on. There's so many varieties. A 4G into a Lancer is probably so wildly done it's not even interesting anymore.

I've even tested a RX8 SR20, an Almera SR20, Lancer CA18, and a lot more. All great cars.

But any sort of rojak work expect to pay a premium for the work done.
 

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4g in an inspira body... u might as well get the 4b instead... simpler life....

airtrek's swap into your car isnt straightforward.
 

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Phew you really love your Lancer GT eh! The engine orientation is reverse compared to airtrek/Evo 4-9 4G63T isn'tit? Or you get the older VR4/Evo 1-3 engine then same orientation, just need to flip it, no?

I think might as well just buy a used airtrek turbo.
 

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Phew you really love your Lancer GT eh! The engine orientation is reverse compared to airtrek/Evo 4-9 4G63T isn'tit? Or you get the older VR4/Evo 1-3 engine then same orientation, just need to flip it, no?

I think might as well just buy a used airtrek turbo.
The Lancer GT is Evo X version so is 4B not 4G
 

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As long as you have money and a adventurous tuner/mech, any engine can be fitted into any car.

I've heard of a 4AGE Myvi, K-swapped Persona, B18 Myvi, B18 Wira, 2jz Defender, 1jz BMW, SR20 BMW, RB26 BMW, 2JZ Cayenne, JZA80 Supra with a N52 3.0, the list goes on. There's so many varieties. A 4G into a Lancer is probably so wildly done it's not even interesting anymore.

I've even tested a RX8 SR20, an Almera SR20, Lancer CA18, and a lot more. All great cars.

But any sort of rojak work expect to pay a premium for the work done.
My mech recommended to get older Evo III engine due to the engine mount itself is similar direction with the 4B, even though the later engine is better but due to engine bracket itself is largely different, the bracket will need lots of trial and error to produce. The mech that did my 1J conversion would like to explore but he would prefer to get complete car rather than engine or gearbox lantai. Most headache thing again is wiring, to get the car start up and link to stock cluster properly.

WTF am i reading it right ? JZA80 with N52 3.0 ? Is it the twin turbo version or N/A ?
 

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4g in an inspira body... u might as well get the 4b instead... simpler life....

airtrek's swap into your car isnt straightforward.
Yes i know 4B11T swap is straight and simple, but the half cuts ain't cheap because some jackasses decided to horde most the stocks and manipulate the prices to over 20K just for half cut ! With installation i will foresee another 10k. If the half cut cost is 50% reduced i will take 4B anyday.
 

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Phew you really love your Lancer GT eh! The engine orientation is reverse compared to airtrek/Evo 4-9 4G63T isn'tit? Or you get the older VR4/Evo 1-3 engine then same orientation, just need to flip it, no?

I think might as well just buy a used airtrek turbo.
Airtrek Turbo has horrible ride haha ! I hate tall SUV (no offense to any SUV owners). VR4 and EVO 1-3 engine has almost the same layout, just need to position the AWD gearbox first before position the engine, then we will see how to custom the engine bracket. I am still examining the feasibility of doing this conversion. Who knows ? 1 year later suddenly i spotted a fairly good 4B11T half cut ? This thread will be redundant.

Oh well i'd done a 1JZ E46 swap which another car i adore so much since my highschool, so what the heck, moving on to the other one. LOLLLLLLL
 
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Yes i know 4B11T swap is straight and simple, but the half cuts ain't cheap because some jackasses decided to horde most the stocks and manipulate the prices to over 20K just for half cut ! With installation i will foresee another 10k. If the half cut cost is 50% reduced i will take 4B anyday.
u should see the later gen evos, those after 3, mahal also
 

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Yes i know 4B11T swap is straight and simple, but the half cuts ain't cheap because some jackasses decided to horde most the stocks and manipulate the prices to over 20K just for half cut ! With installation i will foresee another 10k. If the half cut cost is 50% reduced i will take 4B anyday.
im just saying.... for the money and effort, just use the 2.4 block + bolt on... ur budget, can get it done right.

u put a 4g in there, be prepared to keep it forever (assuming they even give u the approval)
 
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My mech recommended to get older Evo III engine due to the engine mount itself is similar direction with the 4B, even though the later engine is better but due to engine bracket itself is largely different, the bracket will need lots of trial and error to produce. The mech that did my 1J conversion would like to explore but he would prefer to get complete car rather than engine or gearbox lantai. Most headache thing again is wiring, to get the car start up and link to stock cluster properly.

WTF am i reading it right ? JZA80 with N52 3.0 ? Is it the twin turbo version or N/A ?
I think if you swap to Evo X 4b11t will end up cheaper.
 

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if they even approve the 4g for his car, im sure they will give it the 'its yours for life' stamp
 

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I think if you swap to Evo X 4b11t will end up cheaper.
EVO X is my 2nd option, i would opt for Ralliart, mechanically simpler and has a 6th gear for high way cruising.
 

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Yeah but EVO 7-9 you can still find it below 15k, Airtrek turbo is 7k !
Airtrek engine so expensive meh? It's the weakest engine out of the 2nd gen 4G63T so I'd think it should be much cheaper. 9 and 8MR are the expensive ones.
 

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Airtrek engine so expensive meh? It's the weakest engine out of the 2nd gen 4G63T so I'd think it should be much cheaper. 9 and 8MR are the expensive ones.
yea bout 7 give or take
 

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Airtrek engine so expensive meh? It's the weakest engine out of the 2nd gen 4G63T so I'd think it should be much cheaper. 9 and 8MR are the expensive ones.
I always look for the most expensive half cut for me to have a high and low bench mark, it's the weakest due to so much has been detuned. I have another option is Evo 7 GTA half cut but its double the price. Not worth if i am going to spend large portion of my cash to fabricate stuffs to make all things work.
 

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I always look for the most expensive half cut for me to have a high and low bench mark, it's the weakest due to so much has been detuned. I have another option is Evo 7 GTA half cut but its double the price. Not worth if i am going to spend large portion of my cash to fabricate stuffs to make all things work.
k let me be frank...
just bolt on or evo x

if u do die wana install 4g
gen2, look at evo4/5/6/airtrek, forget 7 and up... alot more complicated for a swap.
gen1, your calllah but e3 is cheap these days.
 

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I always look for the most expensive half cut for me to have a high and low bench mark, it's the weakest due to so much has been detuned. I have another option is Evo 7 GTA half cut but its double the price. Not worth if i am going to spend large portion of my cash to fabricate stuffs to make all things work.
I saw a Ralliart turbo kit for 4b11 on sale in Facebook, rated to 240hp. I think better bolt on that.
 

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I saw a Ralliart turbo kit for 4b11 on sale in Facebook, rated to 240hp. I think better bolt on that.
Need to convert the gearbox to manual, and will need LSD to hold the power to the ground. This was one of my options 3 years ago but i found out the manual gearbox conversion is as expensive as a Lancer N/A half cut, i put that idea away.

k let me be frank...
just bolt on or evo x

if u do die wana install 4g
gen2, look at evo4/5/6/airtrek, forget 7 and up... alot more complicated for a swap.
gen1, your calllah but e3 is cheap these days.
Ralliart is simpler than Evo X. Evo X got plenty of stocks in MY though but still hella expensive. Realistically speaking, 4G conversion is extremely difficult to do as might involve cutting some body frame, which cutting is needed i will straight say no. My mechanic still checking the Airtrek body and mount to see how difficult it is for this swap. An Airtrek turbo just came in to his shop for oil change and driveshaft shaft, so he took this chance to check it out for me. Stay tuned.
 

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Ralliart is simpler than Evo X. Evo X got plenty of stocks in MY though but still hella expensive. Realistically speaking, 4G conversion is extremely difficult to do as might involve cutting some body frame, which cutting is needed i will straight say no. My mechanic still checking the Airtrek body and mount to see how difficult it is for this swap. An Airtrek turbo just came in to his shop for oil change and driveshaft shaft, so he took this chance to check it out for me. Stay tuned.
im pretty sure can be made to fit without cutting... but be prepared to keep the car for life. I'll say it again, turbo the bugger or swap in the 2.4+ turbo the bugger....

also... if the lackthereof lsd is a buzzkill for you, the airtrek doesnt have it either (afaik)

**also think i saw a turbo kit for sale... 7k (im sure u can nego)
 
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im pretty sure can be made to fit without cutting... but be prepared to keep the car for life. I'll say it again, turbo the bugger or swap in the 2.4+ turbo the bugger....

also... if the lackthereof lsd is a buzzkill for you, the airtrek doesnt have it either (afaik)

**also think i saw a turbo kit for sale... 7k (im sure u can nego)
I heard you mate, let me satisfy my hunger to know on this mod, even if my mechanic friend thinks it can be done but whether he wants to do it or not is another case. I won't force him to do it if he is not confident.
 

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im pretty sure can be made to fit without cutting... but be prepared to keep the car for life. I'll say it again, turbo the bugger or swap in the 2.4+ turbo the bugger....

also... if the lackthereof lsd is a buzzkill for you, the airtrek doesnt have it either (afaik)

**also think i saw a turbo kit for sale... 7k (im sure u can nego)
Problem with BOT, is the internal may not last.....:driver:
 

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Problem with BOT, is the internal may not last.....:driver:
Agreed ... i rather do low boost style like the older days Volvo and Audi, i am more worried of the CVT box. Boost pressure has to come in very gentle and linear, a high end electrical boost controller by RPM is a must. Last time i went to junkyard, a used and seems good condition Volvo S40 2.0T light pressure turbocharger cost me about MYR350. Below is my checklist for turbocharging the Lancer if i really needed that power without swapping shit:

1.) S40 I 2.0 Low pressure turbocharger = MYR 350
2.) Custom exhaust manifold = MYR 600
3.) Used Intercooler = MYR 400 for decent size
4.) Custom intercooler piping = MYR 1,200 depending on length, material and workmanship, my 1jZ custom intercooler and exhaust piping complete is about MYR 2600
5.) Used EBC (M7 model) = MYR 700
6.) Used con shape airfilter = MYR 150
7.) Recirculated BOV = FREE, used my existing one but must reroute the intake
8.) Coolant supply lines for turbo = Unknown but i budget in MYR 300
9.) Samco hoses = budget in MYR 600 for all necessary fitting
10.) Dastek Unichip Q+ = MYR 1,500 including tune
10.1) OPTIONAL = Remap using stock ECU using Openport 2.0 = MYR 1,000
11.) Last but not least, INSTALLATION = MYR 1,000 for good friend's price

I looks like i will need sub 10K to get my car turbo'ed, at least if i am keen, i can pick those parts one by one without having to give one shot like how i did for my 1JZ. Fucking expensive.

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Agreed ... i rather do low boost style like the older days Volvo and Audi, i am more worried of the CVT box. Boost pressure has to come in very gentle and linear, a high end electrical boost controller by RPM is a must. Last time i went to junkyard, a used and seems good condition Volvo S40 2.0T light pressure turbocharger cost me about MYR350. Below is my checklist for turbocharging the Lancer if i really needed that power without swapping shit:

1.) S40 I 2.0 Low pressure turbocharger = MYR 350
2.) Custom exhaust manifold = MYR 600
3.) Used Intercooler = MYR 400 for decent size
4.) Custom intercooler piping = MYR 1,200 depending on length, material and workmanship, my 1jZ custom intercooler and exhaust piping complete is about MYR 2600
5.) Used EBC (M7 model) = MYR 700
6.) Used con shape airfilter = MYR 150
7.) Recirculated BOV = FREE, used my existing one but must reroute the intake
8.) Coolant supply lines for turbo = Unknown but i budget in MYR 300
9.) Samco hoses = budget in MYR 600 for all necessary fitting
10.) Dastek Unichip Q+ = MYR 1,500 including tune
10.1) OPTIONAL = Remap using stock ECU using Openport 2.0 = MYR 1,000
11.) Last but not least, INSTALLATION = MYR 1,000 for good friend's price

I looks like i will need sub 10K to get my car turbo'ed, at least if i am keen, i can pick those parts one by one without having to give one shot like how i did for my 1JZ. Fucking expensive.

Thanks,
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Why EBC M7? Last time I was considering it also cuz cheap but my tuner doesn't like it (he said not as easy to use and setup) so I follow his recommendation to use Profec.

For rm150 you can get new cone filter. I bought Works/Simota 4 inch for just rm120 if not mistaken.

Why Dastek? If can direct remap ECU maybe better.

Installation only rm1k? So damn cheap!
 

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Why EBC M7? Last time I was considering it also cuz cheap but my tuner doesn't like it (he said not as easy to use and setup) so I follow his recommendation to use Profec.

For rm150 you can get new cone filter. I bought Works/Simota 4 inch for just rm120 if not mistaken.

Why Dastek? If can direct remap ECU maybe better.

Installation only rm1k? So damn cheap!
M7 i have direct supply, its right there in my friend's shop, Profec how much ah ? For use it on CVT its a must to have variable boost across RPM but matching engine torque with the characteristic of CVT.

Same goes to Dastek, its ready at the shop for me to pickup, but i have opt for direct tune on openport 2.0. Cut down the installation charges.

Installation 1K is friend's price, i gave my friend about 50K business during my quest for power and maintaining all my personal vehicles.
 
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M7 i have direct supply, its right there in my friend's shop, Priofec how much ah ? For use it on CVT its a must to have variable boost across RPM but matching engine torque with the characteristic of CVT.

Same goes to Dastek, its ready at the shop for me to pickup, but i have opt for direct tune on openport 2.0. Cut down the installation charges.

Installation 1K is friend's price, i gave my friend about 50K business during my quest for power and maintaining all my personal vehicles.
The old discontinued Profec B v2 used is already around rm600+. The new OLED Profec is around rm1.5k new, 1k used. I use the older Profec. Very easy to use and able to control boost stable but maybe not based on rpm but on throttle input, so it can quickly reach full boost at mid rpm. But if you want the boost to be softer engagement, then the Set Gain value can be set lower hence the boost starting more progressive.

Your friend is familiar with Evos or not? :)
 

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Oh pretty low! VR4 is very low compression right?

Mine now 1.4 on low boost and 1.7 on high boost.
VR is great great great grandpa, so boost I think is low. Later model all high boost......lol
 

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The old discontinued Profec B v2 used is already around rm600+. The new OLED Profec is around rm1.5k new, 1k used. I use the older Profec. Very easy to use and able to control boost stable but maybe not based on rpm but on throttle input, so it can quickly reach full boost at mid rpm. But if you want the boost to be softer engagement, then the Set Gain value can be set lower hence the boost starting more progressive.

Your friend is familiar with Evos or not? :)
I think throttle input might be the best way in boosting CVT due to the gearbox revs also react to drivers throttle input. What's your suggestion ?

He's done up a few Evo 7 and 3s, what are you looking at ?
 

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I was told by a reliable source that the Greddy Profec boost controller is not reliable. When new it'll work well but over time it'll start to cause boost spikes and overboosting issues. One case he showed me was a skyline showing 1bar boost but the ecu was reading over 1.5bars of boost! The supposed best way to manage boost control is via the ECU, just use the profec as a display for extra cool-factor points
 

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I was told by a reliable source that the Greddy Profec boost controller is not reliable. When new it'll work well but over time it'll start to cause boost spikes and overboosting issues. One case he showed me was a skyline showing 1bar boost but the ecu was reading over 1.5bars of boost! The supposed best way to manage boost control is via the ECU, just use the profec as a display for extra cool-factor points
wait wut......
 

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I think throttle input might be the best way in boosting CVT due to the gearbox revs also react to drivers throttle input. What's your suggestion ?

He's done up a few Evo 7 and 3s, what are you looking at ?
But if you floor it from mid rpm then you will get full boost at just mid rpm too. Actually for my Profec setup, I can even get full boost at just 70-80% throttle maybe. But again this is because I set my Set Gain value as close as possible to the target max boost which what the recommended setup if using this Profec.
I was told by a reliable source that the Greddy Profec boost controller is not reliable. When new it'll work well but over time it'll start to cause boost spikes and overboosting issues. One case he showed me was a skyline showing 1bar boost but the ecu was reading over 1.5bars of boost! The supposed best way to manage boost control is via the ECU, just use the profec as a display for extra cool-factor points
Hmm so far what's indicated in my Profec still matches what's shown on my mechanical boost gauge and also ECU when we did on road tuning. Based on what I read, the most important is setting the Set Gain, make sure that you start from lower value (4psi lower than target max boost) then progressively increase while testing. Once you see the boost starts to spike past your target max then you have overdone it and need to decrease it until it holds the boost at target max but not spiking over. So far on mine, my high boost setting is at 80% with Set Gain 1.45b, ends up holding max boost at 1.67b. Btw I'm still using internal actuator wastegate rated at 1.3b. I don't experience any boost creep either meaning I haven't overboost my turbo.
 

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But if you floor it from mid rpm then you will get full boost at just mid rpm too. Actually for my Profec setup, I can even get full boost at just 70-80% throttle maybe. But again this is because I set my Set Gain value as close as possible to the target max boost which what the recommended setup if using this Profec.
The objective of my swap or mods, it is to get up to speed without having to full throttle or rev the crap out of it, unless i am racing somebody. Even in my 1jz i don't usually floor it unless i have to. I am looking into a steady and smooth boosting. Eh wait ... what happen to my swap topic ? Why it became BOT thread ? Please come back to main topic.

Bad or good news, mechanic friend said don't bother with Airtrek turbo swap, the engine mount from 4g63 to the body is totally in different places. Gearbox also is entirely different too and none of it can be bolt on the chassis without cutting it up.

"Dream" shattered. Hahaha.
 

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The objective of my swap or mods, it is to get up to speed without having to full throttle or rev the crap out of it, unless i am racing somebody. Even in my 1jz i don't usually floor it unless i have to. I am looking into a steady and smooth boosting. Eh wait ... what happen to my swap topic ? Why it became BOT thread ? Please come back to main topic.

Bad or good news, mechanic friend said don't bother with Airtrek turbo swap, the engine mount from 4g63 to the body is totally in different places. Gearbox also is entirely different too and none of it can be bolt on the chassis without cutting it up.

"Dream" shattered. Hahaha.
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